Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Feats are only usable as a general estimation of the character. Fights are what matters most. We can compare them and you would find that batman can compete with steve in virtually every category.
Only DC vs Marvel was fan voted. I would also like to point out the fact that it was considered canon at that point and none of the fights were as terrible as people make them out to be.

What makes you think I'm not counting fights. To me a fight is a feat as well. Now direct comparison feats to me are more important then single isolated feats. Some fights in that voted contest were terrible like Lobo vs Wolverine and some would say Storm vs WonderWoman.

Feats including fight feats. Cap abilities just look that much better then Bruce irregardless if its a stat feat or a fight feat.

Its almost like marvel fanboys know better than the writer who have actually wrote these two characters. I'd like to think that John Byrne, PAD and Kurt Busiek's opinion matter more than random internet poster #one billion.

Plus its not like that fight were Bruce won had the same circumstances of this scenario anyways. And plus it was a voted contest, decided by fans anyways, not the writers.

This scenario is a fight with "no" weapons and in a octagon. It be illogical to assume Bruce can win this other then maybe 2/10. This more amounts to how much Steve holds back.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
What makes you think I'm not counting fights. To me a fight is a feat as well.

This scenario is a fight with "no" weapons and in a octagon. It be illogical to assume Bruce can win this other then maybe 2/10. This more amounts to how much Steve holds back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder woman has an electrical vulnerability from the start

I thought her only weakness was to S&M bondage? 😕

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder woman has an electrical vulnerability from the start

😆

Someone zapped her so bad there was a FIRE IN THE HOLE!

Originally posted by cdtm
I thought her only weakness was to S&M bondage? 😕

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😆

Someone zapped her so bad there was a FIRE IN THE HOLE!

Originally posted by abhilegend
What?

You don't watch much hardcore porn, do you?

Well, there was a guy wielding a stun baton... you can firgure out what happened next.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman has knocked out top tiers with pressure points. Both are about even in speed, cap is stronger but not to the point that he would manhandle batman, batman is more skilled but cap is no slouch either, cap is more durable and such. This is about as even as you can get. I don't know why cap supporters are so offended by Batman being a good opponent for him in h2h. This is freaking BATMAN we're talking about, cap and him have fought three times in comics and none of them made any mention that cap was so far above batman that he would literally curbstomp batman as some are suggesting here.

Captain America wins this fight, but it would be a good one. Skill is a wash, but I think Steve has an edge in terms of pure stats, arguably a noticeable advantage.

I think on average the gap between their physical abilities has been steadily growing as Steve becomes more and more blatantly superhuman. He's not far off from being closer to Spider-Man (Regular everyday version) than Batman on average.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) No
2) No
3) Cap is faster

Cap has affected top tiers with his pressure points, what has Batman done that's better than that?

1.
cap's armor is not bulletproof, batman's is.
cap's gloves bit by ulik? well cap's gloves aren't his body armor. Also batman's armor has resisted the likes of superman before.

2. Batman has put down top tiers with his strikes, kicked thick trees in half, knocked down steel doors, etc. I say he hits as hard as Steve.

3. Since you think that Cap is faster then give me a speed feat by Cap that is superior to batman batting bullets out of the air, or batman dodging tens of thousands of bullets at one time, etc.

Batman has put down top tiers with pressure points as well. Not just affect them put actually put them down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America wins this fight, but it would be a good one. Skill is a wash, but I think Steve has an edge in terms of pure stats, arguably a noticeable advantage.

I think on average the gap between their physical abilities has been steadily growing as Steve becomes more and more blatantly superhuman. He's not far off from being closer to Spider-Man (Regular everyday version) than Batman on average.

Originally posted by h1a8
1.
cap's armor is not bulletproof, batman's is.
cap's gloves bit by ulik? well cap's gloves aren't his body armor. Also batman's armor has resisted the likes of superman before.

2. Batman has put down top tiers with his strikes, kicked thick trees in half, knocked down steel doors, etc. I say he hits as hard as Steve.

3. Since you think that Cap is faster then give me a speed feat by Cap that is superior to batman batting bullets out of the air, or batman dodging tens of thousands of bullets at one time, etc.

Batman has put down top tiers with pressure points as well. Not just affect them put actually put them down.

1) Being bullet proof isn't the only measure of durability, Cap has also taken hits from bricks while in armor and even tanked having his armor turned into an explosive by Gambit.

2) You'd be wrong, Cap has better feats.

3) Cap has out ran bullets before, over a short distance.

BTW, post the feat of Batman "dodging tens of thousands of bullets at one time".

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Being bullet proof isn't the only measure of durability, Cap has also taken hits from bricks while in armor and even tanked having his armor turned into an explosive by Gambit.

2) You'd be wrong, Cap has better feats.

3) Cap has out ran bullets before, over a short distance.

BTW, post the feat of Batman "dodging tens of thousands of bullets at one time".

1. So has Batman, he has survived attacks from Superman

2. what striking feats bests the ones Ii mentioned for batman?

3. No he didn't. That scene can be interpreted as Red Skull missing the first 3 shots and Cap blocking the next 3 shots. But again I never argued against Cap having greater running speed though.

I will post it soon. Im not on my computer now.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You don't watch much hardcore porn, do you?

Well, there was a guy wielding a stun baton... you can firgure out what happened next.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Do you have scans of their 3 battles?

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I posted this a long time ago somewhere in this thread.

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Here are the 3 times Batman and Captain America faced off [b]on panel.

(grant it, they're crossovers, but at-least it's a rough idea)

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Writers: Ron Marz/Peter David (DC vs Marvel)

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Writer: John Byrne (Batman & Captain America)

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Writer: Kurt Busiek (JLA/Avengers)

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All 3 interpretations are similar imo. [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
1. So has Batman, he has survived attacks from Superman

2. what striking feats bests the ones Ii mentioned for batman?

3. No he didn't. That scene can be interpreted as Red Skull missing the first 3 shots and Cap blocking the next 3 shots. But again I never argued against Cap having greater running speed though.

I will post it soon. Im not on my computer now.

Incorrect, The gun Red Skull is using only held 6 shots and all 6 are accounted for. In order for you claim to hold water, you need to prove that either 1) Red Skull reloaded or 2) RS had two guns.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, The gun Red Skull is using only held 6 shots and all 6 are accounted for. In order for you claim to hold water, you need to prove that either 1) Red Skull reloaded or 2) RS had two guns.

1. the 6 shots were accounted for as 3 shots missed and 3 shots blocked by Cap
2. writer error in not even counting the bullets
3. writer/artist error in interpretation of what happened.

The writer just wanted to show Cap get over there to save the person in time. The writer wasn't trying to show Cap actually outrunning bullets. Again, it's impossible to fire a second round before the 1st hit.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Yea, those pretty much confirm Cap has a slight edge imo.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't recall the 6 shots were accounted for other than 3 and 3. It's impossible to fire a second shot before the first bullet lands. Thus either

1. the 6 shots were accounted for as 3 shots missed and 3 shots blocked by Cap
2. writer error in not even counting the bullets
3. writer/artist error in interpretation of what happened.

The writer just wanted to show Cap get over there to save the person in time. The writer wasn't trying to show Cap actually outrunning bullets. Again, it's impossible to fire a second round before the 1st hit.

Incorrect, the scan shows 3 bullets impacting Cap's shield and the other 3 hitting the floor in a later panel, so again, In order for your claim to hold water, you need to prove that either 1) Red Skull reloaded or 2) RS had two guns.

Captain America may very well win 10/10 against Batman.

That doesn't automatically mean he just manhandles Batman like a little girl or anything. I think Captain America has enough of an advantage that to argue he wins the fair majority isn't off base. But that's just a waste of energy imo.

6 or 10, it's whatever. Most agree that Steve has enough of a stat advantage to be the clear favorite in unarmed combat.