Originally posted by namorsubby
Of course it is....as long as the verdict on the overall impressiveness of a batman feat is left up to the likes of you.Name an "average" physical feat from cap that bruce can't replicate. Id actually give bruce the edge in speed feats (as far as evasion).
You already admitted you don't think Cap has super powers your just going to claim Pis because its above Batman...
Originally posted by pym-ftw
NoYou already admitted you don't think Cap has super powers your just going to claim Pis because its above Batman...
Exactly, he's already pretty much stated that he views them as so close in stats that if someone were to post a feat for Cap that would indicate otherwise, he'll just cry PIS and ignore it.
Distinct super powers like other metas. Heat vision, spider sense, etc. I made that clear already.
That's not at all what I stated SM, but you already know that. I call cap ripping out his chest and running at superspeedster levels out of the norm and this is what I get? Tsk, tsk. You guys dont think you may be a lil too fond of ole stars n stripes?
Originally posted by namorsubby
Of course it is....as long as the verdict on the overall impressiveness of a batman feat is left up to the likes of you.Name an "average" physical feat from cap that bruce can't replicate. Id actually give bruce the edge in speed feats (as far as evasion).
Shoot forget Bruce. Classic Slade would be lucky enough to keep up with Cap in strength and durability feats. Of course Bruce has better speed feats when it comes to your biased views.
Steve has better speed feats then Bruce. Its obvious that Slade himself can barely keep up with Cap in feats.
Yeah I'll go your direction of illogical logic. Daredevil is close to Slade in stats. The gap isn't that big if any. Here's your logic.
Originally posted by namorsubbyCap kills people, so yea, he's more ruthless.
Cap is more ruthless and/or dirty than Batman? I dont think so.Truth is, this is a very close match up. It really could go either way. Imo bruce is more skilled as he has a vast resume of documented martial arts training and use of varying styles on panel. Moreso than cap. IMO Cap has the edge physically, but not really by that much according to either characters' [b]average
showings. [/B]
Originally posted by namorsubby
Distinct super powers like other metas. Heat vision, spider sense, etc. I made that clear already.That's not at all what I stated SM, but you already know that. I call cap ripping out his chest and running at superspeedster levels out of the norm and this is what I get? Tsk, tsk. You guys dont think you may be a lil too fond of ole stars n stripes?
Batman's highs vs Cap's "average"
Little tip, if your arguing alone against the rest of the board your probably wrong
We aren't all just trolling you
Rest of the board? Lol Its always been a few of the same fanatics. No one else with a different opinion will even argue with you guys for obvious reason. Youre not debaters. You skew words and interpret anything however you wish to suit your argument.
I'm not arguing bruces high end against caps norm. You guys are doing the same in reverse. Those few feats I disputed are certainly not caps norm. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
No, your just arguing biased factsBatman's highs vs Cap's "average"
Little tip, if your arguing alone against the rest of the board your probably wrong
We aren't all just trolling you
He's fine with comparing Batman and Cap's averages, however he defines Cap's average as "anything that Batman can do", everything else gets called high-end/PIS.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You just proved your ignorance of Cap, seeing as he has feats that are far higher than the 60mph one.
lol at thinking the feat where Cap blocks Red skulls bullets showed that he can run faster than 60mph.
1. It wasn't the writer's intention that Cap outrun a bullet.
a. artist drew it wrong (especially miscounting the bullets)
b. Cap blocked the other three shots (since Skull can't squeeze off a bullet before one lands)
2. The last scene could be interpreted as stuff falling from the dresser.
3. The feat is a gross outlier (if we accept that he outran a bullet) that's well beyond Cap's norm and thus can be called PIS and unusable per forum rules.
Cap ran a mile in 73 seconds under great duress. That's about 49mph and not 60mph. So him going over 400mph once in his career is asinine due to his norm.
Running speed is irrelevant to a h2h fight, unless Cap is going to run away.
As far as my take on the fight:
Cap was created with the idea of pinnacle of human perfection.
Meaning, he still isn't superhuman by comic standards.
Now, in comics, normal humans have consistent superhuman feats. Does that make them superhuman in comic standards? In terms of real life yes but in terms of comics, no.
We need to stop comparing street leveler type characters to real life since all would be super human. We should just compare them to other comic characters.
Cap and Batman are very very close in speed and reflexes. They have similar speed feats. Both have dodged, block bullets and lasers.
Cap is approximately 1.5-2x stronger than Batman IMO
Durability is almost a wash considering armor being worn.
Batman is slightly more skilled in h2h combat.
If both characters are well written then the fight can go either way. Both have the tools to take the other out, especially considering pressure points. Cap has the slight edge and should win a majority.
Originally posted by ODG
Cap basically carved out a piece of his own chest to expel Zola. And this was after he had the living crap kicked out of him by Zola's gamma-irradiated SSS mutant hordes, Jet (Zola's daughter) and Zola himself:I still don't understand how he didn't just outright die from this:
Hot Damn, that is just insane!!
Originally posted by h1a8
lol at thinking the feat where Cap blocks Red skulls bullets showed that he can run faster than 60mph.
Seeing as that is exactly what the scene showed, I don't see what is funny.
However that is a high-end feat and generally I'll only mention it if the other side brings in other high-end feats.
Why are some people still trying to argue about this? Captain America has been a legitimate superhuman for more than a decade now. Peak humans and mutants have gone record stating he is 2-4 times stronger and faster than they are. He pulls helicopters out of the sky, walks around with utility lines slung over his shoulder like it's a gym bag. He sees bullets in slow motion, can tank machine gun fire to his chest without his armor, and still can operate with a gaping hole in his chest cavity. Even when Marvel was being ambiguous about to what degree he was enhanced my the SSS he was still stated to have the strength of 10 men, 20 men, and half a platoon of soldiers. The notion that there is anyone who would be so uninformed are bias that they can't see that Captain America > Batman in every conceivable way save intelligence is mind boggling.
Anyone who thinks that Batman and Cap are equals should have themselves admitted to some psychiatric institute because they are not qualified to live with the rest of the human race.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why are some people still trying to argue about this? Captain America has been a legitimate superhuman for more than a decade now. Peak humans and mutants have gone record stating he is 2-4 times stronger and faster than they are. He pulls helicopters out of the sky, walks around with utility lines slung over his shoulder like it's a gym bag. He sees bullets in slow motion, can tank machine gun fire to his chest without his armor, and still can operate with a gaping hole in his chest cavity. Even when Marvel was being ambiguous about to what degree he was enhanced my the SSS he was still stated to have the strength of 10 men, 20 men, and half a platoon of soldiers. The notion that there is anyone who would be so uninformed are bias that they can't see that Captain America > Batman in every conceivable way save intelligence is mind boggling.Anyone who thinks that Batman and Cap are equals should have themselves admitted to some psychiatric institute because they are not qualified to live with the rest of the human race.
He doesn't pull helicopters out of the sky. Rather he pulls wonka glass machines out of the sky with the help of a moving car.
All street levelers have superhuman feats by real life standards. That doesn't make them superhuman according to comic standards.
Batman is just as fast as Cap in battle (if not faster)
Batman is slightly more skilled and can apply pressure points much better.
Batman is just as durable as Cap considering his armor.
Cap is about 1.5-2x stronger than Batman. So I give you that.
Cap has a slight edge here but Batman CAN win some. So fight can go either way.
