Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by leonidas lol

i'd be wrong? iYo you mean? even iron fist commented on the simplicity of steve's 'style'.

and batman isn't iron fist- unless he's somehow mastered chi amping and the other ridiculous MA feats that iron fist and shang chi get away with.

note that even with steve's "simplicity of style" iron fist still couldn't beat him. All of his advanced skills weren't enough because Steve was simply too physically dominant.

And yes- both crossovers that had steve and bruce going head to head flat out stated that bruce was not superior to steve. I'm not sure how much clearer it can get.

as far as the rest--bats has too many superhuman level style feats of his own to go into including bullet dodging speed, moving railroad cars, kicking down trees, beating.....too many superhumans (including deathstroke who actually HAS a true hf) to bother going into.

I'm aware batman has impressive feats. I simply stated that Steve is better. If you have any specific examples of Bruce moving faster, tanking more damage, lifting more weight, etc. please do so.

you're laboring (as many do) under the impression that bats is 'just human', well, this discussion is over because you don't know batman very well, or his feat history. and that's a common mistake. he's performed too many superhuman feats and beaten too many superhuman characters to pigeonhole him into an area you (or so many others) THINK he should be in. bats has proven time and again he is BEYOND (well beyond by some depictions) the even 'peak' human labels he is constantly ascribed.

Calm down junior. We've both been here way too long to throw around silly statements like "oh, you just might not be aware..etc. etc." I'm perfectly aware of batman's feats. I'm aware that they simply aren't as high end as steve's are. Marvel has gone out of it's way to put Cap's physical feats out of reach of anyone without physical enhancements, and Bruce is in this category.

Show me Bruce lifting several tons, or taking machine gun fire to the arm sans armor and walking it off, and you might have a point. I might be waiting a while, though.

As for superhuman opponents, Steve's combat feats are ALSO better. He consistently goes up against more powerful opponents on a regular basis. USAgent has been trained *in steve's style* and gets the bejeezus beaten out of him and he's class 10. Even Namor has problems when they go head to head- which they have, many times, for 40 years now.

incidentally, i'd say cap and ds are about as close to equals as you can get, and the fact that bats has beaten him (only a couple times) is telling of how a cap/bats battle would go. [/B]

not really, because cap and deathstroke are two completely different characters with different motivations and feats. "batman beat deathstroke and deathstroke is just like cap so...." doesn't work here.

In addition, remember the parameters. how many times has batman beaten deathstroke, with no equipment head to head in a ring? exactly. it's zero. In a comic scenario where batman is in gotham? sure. its possible and I've said so. In a ring match relying on skill and physical stats? it's a different story and steve beats the hell out of him.

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty funny after all these pages that people still see this as a stomp. 😂 cap would win a majority, but bats would take some, and it's likely each of the 10 fights would take hours to finish.

IT WOULD BE A STOMP. Sorry you can't accept the obvious.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
IT WOULD BE A STOMP. Sorry you can't accept the obvious.

😂 it's what i get for taking you off ignore. of course you can't prove it would be a stomp. or can you? in fact i DEFY you to prove it. i await your proof of a stomp.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
and batman isn't iron fist- unless he's somehow mastered chi amping and the other ridiculous MA feats that iron fist and shang chi get away with.

note that even with steve's "simplicity of style" iron fist still couldn't beat him. All of his advanced skills weren't enough because Steve was simply too physically dominant.

And yes- both crossovers that had steve and bruce going head to head flat out stated that bruce was not superior to steve. I'm not sure how much clearer it can get.

I'm aware batman has impressive feats. I simply stated that Steve is better. If you have any specific examples of Bruce moving faster, tanking more damage, lifting more weight, etc. please do so.

Calm down junior. We've both been here way too long to throw around silly statements like "oh, you just might not be aware..etc. etc." I'm perfectly aware of batman's feats. I'm aware that they simply aren't as high end as steve's are. Marvel has gone out of it's way to put Cap's physical feats out of reach of anyone without physical enhancements, and Bruce is in this category.

Show me Bruce lifting several tons, or taking machine gun fire to the arm sans armor and walking it off, and you might have a point. I might be waiting a while, though.

As for superhuman opponents, Steve's combat feats are ALSO better. He consistently goes up against more powerful opponents on a regular basis. USAgent has been trained *in steve's style* and gets the bejeezus beaten out of him and he's class 10. Even Namor has problems when they go head to head- which they have, many times, for 40 years now.

not really, because cap and deathstroke are two completely different characters with different motivations and feats. "batman beat deathstroke and deathstroke is just like cap so...." doesn't work here.

In addition, remember the parameters. how many times has batman beaten deathstroke, with no equipment head to head in a ring? exactly. it's zero. In a comic scenario where batman is in gotham? sure. its possible and I've said so. In a ring match relying on skill and physical stats? it's a different story and steve beats the hell out of him.

junior? 😂 defensive much? and how many times has cap beaten anyone without his shield/armor....?

not sure how you say bats beating ds is anything BUT relevant, but....if you say so.

anyways, go ahead and post the physical feats that cap has that bats can NOT match, and that would, in fact, lead one--based on displayed evidence--to conclude that this is a 10/10 stomp.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂 it's what i get for taking you off ignore. of course you can't prove it would be a stomp. or can you? in fact i DEFY you to prove it. i await your proof of a stomp.

It's been proven over and over again, hence my response that you can't accept it. So is there a question?

Originally posted by leonidas
junior? 😂 defensive much? and how many times has cap beaten anyone without his shield/armor....?

not sure how you say bats beating ds is anything BUT relevant, but....if you say so.

anyways, go ahead and post the physical feats that cap has that bats can NOT match, and that would, in fact, lead one--based on displayed evidence--to conclude that this is a 10/10 stomp.

why don't you address some of my points first, instead of posting smileys and lols, junior.

edit: unfortunately my time is up for today. want to debate this further I'll be around another time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's been proven over and over again, hence my response that you can't accept it. So is there a question?

it's been proven over and over again. 😂 same thing happened when i challenged you to prove bp>batman. and it's not a question, it's more than that--it's a challenge addressed directly and squarely at YOU. how's about you skip the generalized comments. if it's been proven over and over so often, should be easy enough for you to prove right now. so prove it. prove to me, via on panel proof, that cap is definitively>batman. prove, using on panel feats, that cap "stomps" batman. clear enough for you?

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty funny after all these pages that people still see this as a stomp. 😂 cap would win a majority, but bats would take some, and it's likely each of the 10 fights would take hours to finish.

Agreed. Batman did stalemate 3boot Val in air combat. Plus, he has his fair share of ridiculous feats.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
why don't you address some of my points first, instead of posting smileys and lols, junior.

edit: unfortunately my time is up for today. want to debate this further I'll be around another time.

points like what? generalized statements about cap's supermhuman superiority? physically, cap IS the superior, which is why i give bats at best, 2-3/10. you said he was more skilled. i said his style is simple. you said he was faster. i agree. but not so much faster that it would be impossible for bruce to score the odd strike that would tilt things in his favor. cap is stronger, but see above. damage soak is much closer than you want to believe as well, especially without suit or armor, but again, cap is better hence the difference in wins. not sure what all these 'points' are that i seem to have missed. you dismissed the fact that dd has battled cap to a near standstill (and even had the ADVANTAGE on him a couple times) consistently in their histories. you dismiss bats battles with ds as abc logic. i tell you he has superhuman feats, you dismiss that. if you want to go ahead and have a scan war, i'll take part. every cap scan you show, i'll find a comparable bats feats. but remember--your scans will need to be vastly superior because your'e not even allowing for the possibility that bats can win ONE fight out of 10. that's quite a stomp. but feel free to post scans that clearly depict this massive edge cap has and i'll post as necessary. the condescension is annoying though. i didn't think my initial post was insulting. i simply pointed out a mistake that is often made when people consider batman.

oh, and it goes without saying this is pre dcnu bats. cap WOULD stomp the new bats. at least so far.

cap maybe faster and more agile but batman is a much better fighter than cap AND is smarter than cap. His strength & durability means nothing if Bats beats People like Killer croc and bane on a nightly basis.

Because he's a ninja.

no. BECAUSE HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
cap maybe faster and more agile but batman is a much better fighter than cap AND is smarter than cap. His strength & durability means nothing if Bats beats People like Killer croc and bane on a nightly basis.

LOL! A much better FIGHTER?? What the hell is that based on other than wishful thinking? Cap is a f$%>ing super powered fighting machine.

BS: I could have sworn Bane broke his back and toyed with him on other occasions.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
no. BECAUSE HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN

He's not a ninja?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL! A much better FIGHTER?? What the hell is that based on other than wishful thinking? Cap is a f$%>ing super powered fighting machine.

BS: I could have sworn Bane broke his back and toyed with him on other occasions.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's been proven over and over again. 😂 same thing happened when i challenged you to prove bp>batman. [b]and it's not a question, it's more than that--it's a challenge addressed directly and squarely at YOU. how's about you skip the generalized comments. if it's been proven over and over so often, should be easy enough for you to prove right now. so prove it. prove to me, via on panel proof, that cap is definitively>batman. prove, using on panel feats, that cap "stomps" batman. clear enough for you? [/B]

Clean out those big white ears and listen for once. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE MANY TIMES OVER. What good would it do for me to AGAIN give you examples for you to AGAIN simple discount them and ask for more? I'm not an idiot so I am not going down that road to nowhere with you.

But the real crazy part is that it never had to be proven in the first place because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. There isn't a non-comic book reading person on earth who saw both the Dark Knight movies and the Captain America movie who would say they are anywhere near the same class.

Cap is super human, Batman is not. If you don't know that by now, you will NEVER know it, meaning you refuse to accept it. You are finally trying to save face a little by acting like you are of the opinion that Cap wins 7 or 8 out of ten, yet you are still arguing that Bat is Cap's equal when he is far from that. You just can't let go. Stop being a fan and allow common sense AND common knowledge to prevail. If not, then you will continue this charade.

let common knowledge prevail? BATMAN ****ING WINS!!

Batman aka the ninja?

that comment really got to you dident it?

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
better h2h based on being smarter and a better tactician. Not to mention a stealthier opponent . bane broke his back. Batman cured it with push-ups. HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN

That is UTTER CRAP. Captain America is a combat and tactical genius, so what difference does it make if Batman has better intelligence when it comes to science and technology? That won't help him one bit in a fight against Captain America. As far as the rest, I see you aren't even being serious so whatever. You act like Batman dominates Bane and that is simply not the case.