Originally posted by Blue Area VetBoth are super human by real life standards. Cap is peak human by comic standards and Batman is almost peak human by comic standards.
Clean out those big white ears and listen for once. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE MANY TIMES OVER. What good would it do for me to AGAIN give you examples for you to AGAIN simple discount them and ask for more? I'm not an idiot so I am not going down that road to nowhere with you.But the real crazy part is that it never had to be proven in the first place because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. There isn't a non-comic book reading person on earth who saw both the Dark Knight movies and the Captain America movie who would say they are anywhere near the same class.
Cap is super human, Batman is not. If you don't know that by now, you will NEVER know it, meaning you refuse to accept it. You are finally trying to save face a little by acting like you are of the opinion that Cap wins 7 or 8 out of ten, yet you are still arguing that Bat is Cap's equal when he is far from that. You just can't let go. Stop being a fan and allow common sense AND common knowledge to prevail. If not, then you will continue this charade.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vetsmarter battle wise. Batman will use his weaknesses to make a advantage against Cap. Bat does not OMG WTF bane but he still beats him on a regular basis. Batmans tactical thinking plus ninja training makes him unpredictable. Lets not mention batman seeing muscle movement and could counter move before it actually happens
That is UTTER CRAP. Captain America is a combat and tactical genius, so what difference does it make if Batman has better intelligence when it comes to science and technology? That won't help him one bit in a fight against Captain America. As far as the rest, I see you aren't even being serious so whatever. You act like Batman dominates Bane and that is simply not the case.
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
smarter battle wise. Batman will use his weaknesses to make a advantage against Cap. Bat does not OMG WTF bane but he still beats him on a regular basis. Batmans tactical thinking plus ninja training makes him unpredictable. Lets not mention batman seeing muscle movement and could counter move before it actually happens
How the hell could he react to muscle movement? Does he have super human speed superior to Caps? Stop making him out to be Mr. X. A guy with photographic reflexes in Taskmaster couldn't beat Cap so give me a break. Again, a guy with the actual superpower could not read Cap's movements so don't tell me that'show Batman's going to win.
Originally posted by h1a8
Both are super human by real life standards. Cap is peak human by comic standards and Batman is almost peak human by comic standards.
Also just because a character has super human feats doesn't make them super human.
Otherwise, Spidey would be class 50 or greater.
Cap is intended to be peak human just like Spidey is intended to be class 10-15.
Thanks. Do you realize you just contradicted yourself?
Originally posted by Silent Masterbut when the hell could he do that?' when did he do that I need scans of that!
DD has already tried reading Cap via muscle movements, the SSS made it impossible.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet1 read more batman. He can react to muscle movement. 2 does cap know how to fully use his surroundings? 3 batman daredevil deadpool deathstroke all could beat taskmaster so that fight proves nothing. Oh so cap has power= he wins? really good comeback.
How the hell could he react to muscle movement? Does he have super human speed superior to Caps? Stop making him out to be Mr. X. A guy with photographic reflexes in Taskmaster couldn't beat Cap so give me a break. Again, a guy with the actual superpower could not read Cap's movements so don't tell me that'show Batman's going to win.
Spiderman IS super human whether he is class 10 or class 50. And Captain America is not peak human, he is peak of human potential. If you are making the case than Batman is no more than peak human regardless of feats, then Captain America is a level above him. If you want to switch to feats, Cap is STILL a level above him. So really, what point have you established?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vetthe point of batman having a mental, environmental, h2h, advantage. Your point is cap having strength of enemies batman beats on a regular. you've proved nothing but your pure biased opinion
Spiderman IS super human whether he is class 10 or class 50. And Captain America is not peak human, he is peak of human potential. If you are making the case than Batman is no more than peak human regardless of feats, then Captain America is a level above him. If you want to switch to feats, Cap is STILL a level above him. So really, what point have you established?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Correct. The reference is old, but cap claimed to be adept in every fighting style that exists way back in the original avengers issues in the 1960s. Not enough?Wolverine ranks Cap's fighting skill on par or greater than Shang Chi and Iron Fist. Iron fist has stated flat out that he can't beat Steve. Physically he's just too dominant combined with his skillset.
Daredevil not only can't beat Cap, but mentions that Cap can move so fast that he's just a blur to DD's super senses.
Cap also managed to survive against and eventually BEAT a fully armed taskmaster (sword, shield, neural darts, explosive arrows) without his shield (eventually surprising him with his rarely seen energy shield for the win). Taskmaster actually DOES have the fighting skills of every MA on earth at master level- including Cap's own.
How well did Bruce do against Prometheus, who only had the skills of DC's top 12? hint: beaten down swiftly and mercilessly off panel. Lady Shiva didn't fare much better.
Cap also serves as the H2H trainer for the avengers since added to the roster. EVERYONE on the avengers roster gets regular workouts from him, no matter how strong they are. He also trains constantly- and has no civilian identity to balance with his superhero work. Captain America is his full time job.
He's tossed around hercules and thunderstrike like rag dolls in sparring sessions, despite the fact that one is a couple thousand years old and class 100, and the other was at least class 75. Taskmaster ALSO typically trains subordinates in Steve's personal style (Tasky supplied minions for everyone else as a mercenary business for years), since it's so efficient despite having the repertoire of the entire planet to choose from.
Batman is impressive, very skilled, and top tier in the DCU but there is clearly NO skills gap between the two. Physically? different story. Rogers is clearly over Bruce by a good country mile, which would give him the win 100% of the time if both were unarmed.
Batman stalemating two versions of Karate Kid shits on anything Cap has done skillwise. Cap is physically superior but Batman is CLEARLY his superior in skill. Taskmaster is a jobber who gets beaten by people like Deadpool and even then he was going toe to toe with Cap and Bucky together in Siege.
Originally posted by abhilegendthis is an actual post I can respect. Even if you think cap wins You still showed batman is no easy task to defeat.
Prometheus surprised Batman in the first fight. In the second fight Batman was beating the shit out of him untill Prometheus used his blasts.Batman stalemating two versions of Karate Kid shits on anything Cap has done skillwise. Cap is physically superior but Batman is CLEARLY his superior in skill. Taskmaster is a jobber who gets beaten by people like Deadpool and even then he was going toe to toe with Cap and Bucky together in Siege.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Prometheus surprised Batman in the first fight. In the second fight Batman was beating the shit out of him untill Prometheus used his blasts.Batman stalemating two versions of Karate Kid shits on anything Cap has done skillwise. Cap is physically superior but Batman is CLEARLY his superior in skill. Taskmaster is a jobber who gets beaten by people like Deadpool and even then he was going toe to toe with Cap and Bucky together in Siege.
Nice lowball though...
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Deadpool would kill Prometheus, so would TaskMaster...Nice lowball though...
