Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap wins the majority, whether someone thinks that means 5.1/10 or 10/10 doesn't really matter.

i think it matters as it reflects the general perception people have about the characters. if someone says a stomp, that means the 2 characters aren't even close. imo, that is simply untrue and more importantly, and unsupportable stance. if someone says it's a stomp, then goes on to show cap performing overwhelmingly greater feats than any that bats has, that's one thing. a generalized appeal to 'common sense' or bios that fly in the face of overwhelming on-panel evidence? well, that's not a very sound basis for a stance imo.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You want me to refresh the evidence every page?

What do you want to argue first?

Strength
Speed
Damage soak
Durability
Reaction speed

refresh the page.....?

anyway, just post what you'd like that you think supports your stance and i'll counter with something batman has done that i feel is comparable. if i can't i'll concede the point but the feats have to be overwhelmingly greater than anything i can find. post what and when you'd like, and i'll do the same. doesn't have to be just you, nor does it have to be just me replying. let's see, visually and definitively, if cap 'stomps' bats.

oh, and repeated cries of PIS by either side will be seen as concessions of feats, at least by me.

So Cap vs IG Thanos & Batman vs Spectre mean they are equals?

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pretty sure we can keep it within some form of reason, but at least those 2 feats cancel each other out.

Originally posted by leonidas
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and that's been about the extent of the cap side of the debate. cap wins, accept it. fact of life. excellent argument. 👆

more to the point, the more recent debate has revolved around how many bats takes out of 10, and how close the fights would be.

Loll at no point am I the extent of the Cap arguament

And it's not like I'm saying Cap WTF SHITSTOMPS him no

I'm just saying that the Bat will be beaten by Cap that's it

Ok let's start from the top

Strength

Cap tearing apart Tony's armor in Civil war.

Originally posted by ODG
That was when the Extremis armor was compromised/disabled by Vision. The armor itself was made of memory metals that are completely flexible. Only when the appropriate charge is properly channeled through it will it become rigid and collimate into superhard planes.

His old classic suit worked the same exact way. While it's clear the armor wasn't completely uncollimated, there are more than enough durability feats of the Extremis armor (when it isn't compromised) that make it evident that Vision's attack probably disrupted the suit's durability with his attack.

In my opinion this is a definite win for Cap. But it isn't easy. Anyone who says that Steve stomps (against classic Bats) is way off the mark. The 2 are on the same level, skill wise, but Steve has a reasonable physical stat advantage. Their fight would be long, but Rogers' strength, stamina and endurance advantage would turn the fight in his favour after a while. Then he knocks Mr Wayne out.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
In my opinion this is a definite win for Cap. But it isn't easy. Anyone who says that Steve stomps (against classic Bats) is way off the mark. The 2 are on the same level, skill wise, but Steve has a reasonable physical stat advantage. Their fight would be long, but Rogers' strength, stamina and endurance advantage would turn the fight in his favour after a while. Then he knocks Mr Wayne out.

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its a definite win for bats. I through arguing over dis. cap gets close but sadly loses

Actually, Cap wins...he has comparable if not better HTH skills, he also has the stat edge.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, Cap wins...he has comparable if not better HTH skills, he also has the stat edge.

PEACE OUT

In regards to HTH fighting, Batman doesn't have much if any edge in skill, tactics or environmental awareness.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In regards to HTH fighting, Batman doesn't have much if any edge in skill, tactics or environmental awareness.

In terms of skill, I think they are around the same. You can make a case for either of them in terms of the edge factor.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ok let's start from the top

Strength

Cap tearing apart Tony's armor in Civil war.

ok, odg addressed this feat already as questionable, and he isn't the only one to call into question the integrity of that particular suit. i can see if i can come up with something, but feats that are open to question will only lead to arguments. it goes without saying we'll leave out shield/tech related stuff of course since this fight we're talking about is only h2h. mental feats/willpower displays are all fair game though. i'll post things as i find them. no time limits.

I think batman is more skilled, and has a greater smoothness and finesse. He is also more stealthy. I can see him applying pressure points to offset the stat advantage.

Fight can go either way, but probably cap more times than not.

I've always seen it as Batman having a skill edge while Captain had the physical edge. Though neither had enough of their advantage to outright beat the other.

Split.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I've always seen it as Batman having a skill edge while Captain had the physical edge. Though neither had enough of their advantage to outright beat the other.

Split.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I've always seen it as Batman having a skill edge while Captain had the physical edge. Though neither had enough of their advantage to outright beat the other.

Split.

i actually feel the same way. i just think the physical edge is greater than the skill edge, hence the reason why i give cap a very solid majority.

okay, so, still not sure how to exactly counter that armor feat since its durability was questionable and its a pretty specific feat. i could show him smashing steel doors, or lifting weights beyond what even rl peak humans could lift, but i thought these feats against grundy show off his striking power pretty clearly. grundy's durability CAN and does vary, but regardless of its level, it is always superhuman and since it can be questionable at times, i figure it matches up well with the armor scene:

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/batvsgrundy-dv1.jpg.html

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsgrundy-dv2.jpg

and to prove it wasn't a one-off, outlier-fluke:

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Skills%20Misc/supermanbatman3-batkogrundy.jpg.html

i would certainly put that demonstration in the same category as the breaking apart of the armor. there are a couple others i could post, but finding something directly analogous is pretty tough, so i went with something i thought equally impressive given some of grundy's very good showings (even when not at PEAK) levels.