Originally posted by Silent MasterWith sufficient force....not touching. Ironman could take a short fall and damage the concrete below him. Putting an object through a stone wall that is much less dense and durable, like a human body, is a much better indicator of the attacker's strength than Caps feat.
So any time metal touches the ground it causes a crater?
Originally posted by namorsubby
With sufficient force....not touching. Ironman could take a short fall and damage the concrete below him. Putting an object through a stone wall that is much less dense and durable, like a human body, is a much better indicator of the attacker's strength than Caps feat.
So your argument is that Ironman's armor is so heavy that a short fall would leave a crater?
Originally posted by namorsubby
My argument is that iron man's extremely durable suit has more to due with him making a crater in the ground. Batmans strength put a human body through a much denser, much more durable object.
So we are back to your argument being that metal touching the ground causes craters regardless of weight or force.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I said with sufficient force.....not touching. The integrity of the suit itself had to be a large factor in Iron Man creating a crator in the ground. His suit is many times more durable than asphalt. The Talon's body is many times less durable than a stone wall.
Again, just because the armor is more durable doesn't change anything. It still had to be thrown with sufficient force to break the asphalt. It could be Black Panther, except he'd be more hurt.
You aren't making any sense here.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I said with sufficient force.....not touching. The integrity of the suit itself had to be a large factor in Iron Man creating a crator in the ground. His suit is many times more durable than asphalt. The Talon body is many times less durable than a stone wall.
Define "sufficient force".
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Slugged it out? Pretty sure she manhandled him and came off as a lot stronger then Grodd after the telepathy broke despite not being about strength at the time. From what I remember of the Superman showing, he punched him or threw him once to no effect (I need to see the scans, it's been a while)? If I do remember it right, it was nowhere near comparable going toe to toe with the Hulk for hours. Not even in the same league, that's elite strongman levels. When did he fight Aquaman? Class 35 or 50? Grodd is much weaker then that. This dude was once held in an regular cage and couldn't break out man. Granted, you could consider that a low showing but aside from Johns, this was a pretty fair estimation of his raw strength in my experience.In what way are they close? You have to examine a high showing for Grodd, and a low showing for Rhino for them to be somewhat close. But a high showing for Rhino? Not even in the same league.
Grodd has also been one shot knocked out by a crowbar to the head and has operated at not much more then Gorilla strength levels. I admit, it was an impressive showing either way you cut it (Even before Geoff John's, he had crazy damage soak) but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The Grundy fight is comparable, the Grodd one isn't.
you sound like i'm saying grodd is as strong as rhino. i'm not. but to toss cars onto roof tops, engage someone of the els's class in h2h for any length of time (and sure, supergirl was shown to be the stronger, but grodd did still pretty well), to take on kalibak, etc... are all very good feats that imo easily place him at cl30 or higher. i don't see sabertooth lofting cars onto roof tops, or spidey.... and the feat is impressive not so much because grodd is strong, but because he has GREAT damage soak. all you need to do is check out some of the beatings he's withstood from flash to see that. there also the fact that bats ONE-shotted him. low showing? whole-heartedly agree. but in the same ballpark as rhino? i'd say so. and regardless--even IF you view grodd as say cl10, i think the more important idea is that the COMBINED feats (grundy/grodd-IM/rhino) are very comparable when looked at in their totalities. least imo. (if cap took apart that armor, i would assume spidey, cl10-20) could have done likewise.)
like the rhino one, the namor showing IS very good, but the idea was to find feats where tech/shield were NOT factors. ie--if cap PUNCHED him, i doubt highly he could have ko'd namor unless he was really in a weakened state. there are also namor fights that turn out....differently to support that notion. if we're looking for feats that just make them appear superhuman, i'll post a couple later on.
and i'm not arguing that cap is stronger--i'm arguing that he's not so far above that he 'stomps' bats in strength or anything else for that matter. that is the challenge for the "stomp side."
