Originally posted by abhilegend
No. Marvel and Hawkman had no communication between them and Cap was reverted to billy without any lightning.
Regardless, the smirk on Billy's face leads me to believe that he reverted to draw Batman in. That, and the inner dialogue where Batman is questioning how his mighty Batkick was that mighty.
Namor has also no sold Cap several times.
Namor is one of the most inconsistent characters ever. He has five stalemates against Thor and five stalemates against Spider-man too.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,183557.msg2952660.html#msg2952660
He has a dozen stalemates with Hulk and a dozen and half against Thing. He's an awesome character but consistency was never a strong point for The Avenging Son.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Regardless, the smirk on Billy's face leads me to believe that he reverted to draw Batman in. That, and the inner dialogue where Batman is questioning how his mighty Batkick was that mighty.
I was always wondering about that scene.
1) I'm far from being dc expert, is that some sort of magical tattoo on Billy's face?
2) Why the hell he used Shazam Lightning on Batman? Everyone knows Wayne is very fragile w/o any powers, it could and should've killed him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was always wondering about that scene.1) I'm far from being dc expert, is that some sort of magical tattoo on Billy's face?
No idea. Someone else might know, though.
2) Why the hell he used Shazam Lightning on Batman? Everyone knows Wayne is very fragile w/o any powers, it could and should've killed him.
*shrug* Billy's still a kid, with no Wisdom of Solomon, I guess. Kids don't usually weigh up the consequences of their actions, especially in a battle with THE Batman.
for those who don't think too highly of the grodd feat, here he is taking down aquaman:
http://img28.exs.cx/img28/228/aqbat1.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegendHe's consistently so far out of caps league that it makes anyone absolutely ridiculous for suggesting otherwise.
Namor has also no sold Cap several times.Namor is one of the most inconsistent characters ever. He has five stalemates against Thor and five stalemates against Spider-man too.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,183557.msg2952660.html#msg2952660
He has a dozen stalemates with Hulk and a dozen and half against Thing. He's an awesome character but consistency was never a strong point for The Avenging Son.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI wouldn't know that because it's impossible to say. Just like its impossible to say how much IMs suits durability contributed to him damaging concrete. Either way, its much easier for him to damage concrete by being forced into it than for a human body to break through a stone wall.
You still haven't defined what you view as "sufficient force", so who exactly is the weakest person that could replicate Cap's feat?
Originally posted by namorsubby
I wouldn't know that because it's impossible to say. Just like its impossible to say how much IMs suits durability contributed to him damaging concrete. Either way, its much easier for him to damage concrete by being forced into it than for a human body to break through a stone wall.
It's interesting that you're stating that you don't know how much force Cap's feat would take, then immediately go on to state that Batman’s feat would take more force.
I’d like to thank you for making your double standard so obvious.
Originally posted by leonidas
for those who don't think too highly of the grodd feat, here he is taking down aquaman:http://img28.exs.cx/img28/228/aqbat1.jpg
That's pretty cool but we've seen Captain America beat down members of the Wrecking Crew. Does anyone have scans of Steve vs. Iron Spider? He's stronger then Aquaman too.
Also, this almost never gets brought up but Captain America still needs to be ridiculous strong and tough to withstand some of the hits he's taken even with the shield:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2295/avgrs7805.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/503/avgrs7813.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8016/avgrs7823.jpg
It doesn't automatically provide a cone of invulnerability or something. At least not always.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's pretty cool but we've seen Captain America beat down members of the Wrecking Crew. Does anyone have scans of Steve vs. Iron Spider? He's stronger then Aquaman too.Also, this almost never gets brought up but Captain America still needs to be ridiculous strong and tough to withstand some of the hits he's taken even with the shield:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2295/avgrs7805.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/503/avgrs7813.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8016/avgrs7823.jpgIt doesn't automatically provide a cone of invulnerability or something. At least not always.
that's true, the thing with the shield (at least in it's original make-up) was the vibranium that was incorporated within it that absorbed so much of the force. pretty sure i could drag up scans of just regular (at least non-super-soliders) holding the shield to protect against massive impacts. you're right, it's not 100% consistent either way, but that used to be the explanation given for him withstanding blows from guys like uber-po'd hulks.....clearly, in rl, no one human could withstand those impacts, even given the nature of the shield though....
i've seen the wrecking crew stuff, but don't have scans and i don't really recall cap actually winning the fights, just having great showings. i think i've got the books tucked away but it's been a while. scans would be great. i have some other stuff i could post as well if we're trying to compare just great feats/showings against super-powered opponents. bats has fought pretty well everyone at one point or other.
oh, and i know the iron spidey scans you're referencing. maybe a little of the 'cap aura' affecting spidey there, but a very good showing though he didn't "win" the fight iirc. it just didn't finish. but you think iron spidey is stronger than classic aquaman? hmm, i'm not sure about that..... even classic AM has some pretty good feats, that era's AM in particular.... what would you rate iron spidey at? cl25ish?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI know you're able to read and comprehend, so try acting like it for once.It would take more force to damage an object with a less durable object than vice versa. Iron Man is going to damage asphalt more easily than a human body is going to damage a stone wall.
It's interesting that you're stating that you don't know how much force Cap's feat would take, then immediately go on to state that Batman’s feat would take more force.I’d like to thank you for making your double standard so obvious.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I know you're able to read and comprehend, so try acting like it for once.It would take more force to damage an object with a less durable object than vice versa. Iron Man is going to damage asphalt more easily than a human body is going to damage a stone wall.
Which means you are saying that Batman's feat involved more force.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Most likely. Iron man's suit's durability surpasses asphalt by a mile....while a Talon's body is far less durable than a stone wall. Which would take more force in your opinion?
Which brings us back to the post you quoted, you claim to not know how much force Cap's feat took and yet you're stating that Batman's feat required more force.
