Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

I don't know exactly because it would be impossible to calculate logically due to iron mans suit being a fictitious, and the exact amount of force used by captain America being unestablished and unable to be established. What I do know is that logically it would take more force to damage an object with one that is less durable than vice versa.. Would you not agree?

You're ignoring other factors, namely the durability of the wall & ground, plus the amount of damage done to each.

Really, your argument is basically I don't want to admit that Cap has a noticeable edge in strength, so I'm just doing to lowball/ignore and call PIS on all feats that hurt my argument.

I did none of those things just now.I used common sense to conclude that it would take more force for an object to damage a more durable object than vice versa

Originally posted by namorsubby
I did none of those things just now.I used common sense to conclude that it would take more force for an object to damage a more durable object than vice versa

So, you aren't saying that the Batman feat is more impressive?

I'm saying it is a better indicator of the attacker's own strength and force applied.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I'm saying it is a better indicator of the attacker's own strength and force applied.

Which feat are you saying took more strength?

I couldn't say which definitely. I just think iron mans suit contributed more to the damage to the asphalt than the Talon's body did to the stone wall. How could it not?

Originally posted by namorsubby
I couldn't say which definitely. I just think iron mans suit contributed more to the damage to the asphalt than the Talon's body did to the stone wall. How could it not?

Which means that you think the feats are fairly close, right?

Not necessarily. Just the fact that it was iron man that he did that too and not cannon fodder like batman's feat seems to suggest that the feat the is superior.Knocking him into the ground like that is very impressive, but logically even a person of caps strength level would be able to knock around someone of IMs weight considering his other strength feats imo. But this is comics, and a street leveler doing that to IM seems to suggest a feat of great magnitude.

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Pathetic. Captain America's knuckles wouldn't even be fractured.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pathetic. Captain America's knuckles wouldn't even be fractured.

It was rather nice of Golgo13 to provide proof that Batman falls well short of Cap's durability.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's true, the thing with the shield (at least in it's original make-up) was the vibranium that was incorporated within it that absorbed so much of the force. pretty sure i could drag up scans of just regular (at least non-super-soliders) holding the shield to protect against massive impacts. you're right, it's not 100% consistent either way, but that used to be the explanation given for him withstanding blows from guys like uber-po'd hulks.....clearly, in rl, no one human could withstand those impacts, even given the nature of the shield though....

i've seen the wrecking crew stuff, but don't have scans and i don't really recall cap actually winning the fights, just having great showings. i think i've got the books tucked away but it's been a while. scans would be great. i have some other stuff i could post as well if we're trying to compare just great feats/showings against super-powered opponents. bats has fought pretty well everyone at one point or other.

Maybe, probably, but I just thought it's noteworthy.

Hmm I'll try and find scans as it was in response to Batman beating down Aquaman.

How strong are the bay doors on a Nuclear silo? Captain America forces them closed by hand at one point:
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He also picks Big Bertha, who weighs like what, a 1000 pounds? Not crazy or anything but noteworthy:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2275798-capstrenfberthawy2.jpg

Seems like batman has sine insane feats just like cap.

One of the more recent developments that I like is that Captain America officially has retarded aging like it's been hinted at for a while:

You should catch up on the new series Leo. Its pretty good and Captain America's endurance in it is legit ridiculous. Everything else could be equal but Steve would win based on stamina alone imho.

Also, lol at the Rex Tyler and Jay Garrick tombstones in the last panel of the first scan. Neat nod.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Regardless, the smirk on Billy's face leads me to believe that he reverted to draw Batman in. That, and the inner dialogue where Batman is questioning how his mighty Batkick was that mighty.

im guessing he planned this from when he was C Marvel

Originally posted by jitay
im guessing he planned this from when he was C Marvel

Probably. He and Hawkman might've planned it out beforehand.

'Carter, they're gonna try to castle us.'

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Cap also managed to survive against and eventually BEAT a fully armed taskmaster (sword, shield, neural darts, explosive arrows) without his shield (eventually surprising him with his rarely seen energy shield for the win). Taskmaster actually DOES have the fighting skills of every MA on earth at master level- including Cap's own.

How well did Bruce do against Prometheus, who only had the skills of DC's top 12? hint: beaten down swiftly and mercilessly off panel. Lady Shiva didn't fare much better.

Let me correct you.

Prometheus had the combined martial arts skills of 30 of DC's greatest martial artist including Batman's own skills. In addition, he was prepared for the sole purpose to defeat the JLA especially Batman using advanced technology. In their 2nd fight, Batman dominated Prometheus using just raw skill despite Prometheus using his tech and weaponry.

Also, it should be mentioned that Captain America actually was on the losing end against Taskmaster the first time they fought despite having Iron Man's help. Looking at their first battle, Taskmaster not only got the upper hand on Steve but also Tony at the same time plus Taskmaster still managed to escape capture from the Avengers on top of that. That's actually worse than Batman's loss against Prometheus since it happened off panel and Batman didn't have powerful backup like Steve did.

how many times has batman beaten deathstroke, with no equipment head to head in a ring? exactly. it's zero.

Batman KOed Deathstroke in their last (real) battle with his own rifle after getting the upper hand on him. Matter of fact, just solo Batman is the only street level fighter to that's managed to KO Slade in a melee battle to my knowledge. Whereas, Daredevil has KOed Steve by tossing him against the wall while fighting in darkness.

Now with that said, HTH Steve wins this 6/10 times due to being physical superior and being just a step or two below Bruce in skill. But it takes a long time to decide a winner each and every time IMO. Just my 2 cents peace 😎

Originally posted by Phantom Ghost
Let me correct you.
In their 2nd fight, Batman dominated Prometheus using just raw skill despite Prometheus using his tech and weaponry.

Not quite. He 'cheated' by reprogramming his computer with the skills and physical abilities of Stephen Hawking.

I'm not referring to how Batman took Prometheus out in the end but rather just their melee combat battle all the way up until Prometheus shot Batman at point blank range.

If you notice, Batman doesn't resort to reprogramming Prometheus armor until after he's shot by Prometheus even though he could've ended their battle quickly anytime he wanted.