Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by nathan summers
The formula enhances all of Captain America's metabolic functions and also prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary person. So his stamina is WELL above normal and well above Batman's. So he's not lying. His stamina would eventually get the best of Batman and he'd outlast him in any fight.

Read the post I made above yours.

Originally posted by nathan summers
But that means Batman would keep the fight as short as possible. I don't think it's his style to have long conflicts if it can be helped.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's still in his character to be able to do that, and it's canon, and applicable. He's also a better fighter than Cap, and the strength and speed difference is miniscule at best.

Speed, equal.

Stamina, equal[at least in terms of this fight. Batman has more than proven he's capable of trading blows for 9 minutes in a ufc fight.]

Strength, I'd give a slight edge to Cap in a lifting contest, but Batman striking power is second to none, there's scans of him kicking trees in half, and in Bruce Wayne Murder he dented one of the tempered steel beams that support Wayne Manor/Batcave with a kick meant for his own son.

Better Martial Artist? Obviously Batman. Master of every Earth based Martial Art.

by your logic the serum CAP took was really for nothin, because batman didnt take the serum and in your opinion is equal to cap in some department and other surpass cap, if i was cap i would ask for a refund on that serum 😄

Originally posted by tiakocom
by your logic the serum CAP took was really for nothin, because batman didnt take the serum and in your opinion is equal to cap in some department and other surpass cap, if i was cap i would ask for a refund on that serum 😄

If you can prove Cap's far stronger and faster or a better fighter, do so.

Otherwise it's hearsay or theory.

I was suggesting its too close to call physically, but Batman's strategics and martial mastery give him a huge advantage.

Originally posted by Juntai
The feats show it. -shrugs.- That's really all there is to it.

If you have scans of Cap showings he's far stronger and faster or a better fighter, do so.

not denyin wat your sayin "its refreshin to have good arguments" jus sayin i was in the impression that because cap took that serum he was above human by far.

Hm. Batman has never relied on his strength to win a fight. While he's a superb martial artist -- he's still not THE greatest martial artist in the DCU. He's ONE of.But Ultimately Batman would win against a shield-less Captain America, in my opinion. In a UFC match? Hm. Batman's a lot smarter than Cap. The smarter fighter wins. You can know 1,000 different styles of martial arts or be able to lift over 2 tons but if you're not a smart fighter -- you won't win.

Batman 6/10 in a UFC match.

Originally posted by nathan summers
Hm. Batman has never relied on his strength to win a fight. While he's a superb martial artist -- he's still not THE greatest martial artist in the DCU. He's ONE of.But Ultimately Batman would win against a shield-less Captain America, in my opinion. In a UFC match? Hm. Batman's a lot smarter than Cap. The smarter fighter wins. You can know 1,000 different styles of martial arts or be able to lift over 2 tons but if you're not a smart fighter -- you won't win.

Batman 6/10 in a UFC match.

Originally posted by tiakocom
not denyin wat your sayin "its refreshin to have good arguments" jus sayin i was in the impression that because cap took that serum he was above human by far.

The problem is, Batman is above that too in most regards.
And Batman is also master of far more fighting styles.. all of them in fact.

I'm not trying to say Batman's going to mop him or anything, it's a back and forth battle between these two with any coming out the winner in either confrontation. Cap has advantages, Batman to me, seems to have more given intelligence and martial skill. I'd give him the slight edge.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Uh Oh. Let me ask you something. If Supes punches Batman in the face what would happen?

With all his power too.

OH! Two can play this game

Let me ask you something. If Sentry punches Captain America in the face what would happen?

With all his power too.

Originally posted by Juntai
Strength, I'd give a slight edge to Cap in a lifting contest, but Batman striking power is second to none, there's scans of him kicking trees in half, and in Bruce Wayne Murder he dented one of the tempered steel beams that support Wayne Manor/Batcave with a kick meant for his own son.

That was not a dent I as was crack. He cracked the thing.

Originally posted by Juntai
So Batman and Cap are wearing padded gloves now?
Boxing isn't Martial arts. They aiming to punch them senseless with pads. They aren't allowed to choke someone out or break their arms. It tends to make the fights go faster.
Mixed Martial Arts fights last a couple minutes, maybe a dozen at most.
And as you'll notice, the thread maker set this up as a UFC match.

Originally posted by Juntai
It won't go on for hours. It would be over in 15 minutes at most. They're inside of a UFC ring.

As we all know, who watch UFC, fights between the worlds greatest martial artists last usually around 2-4 minutes.

Stamina really isn't going to play much of a part.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
OH! Two can play this game

Let me ask you something. If Sentry punches Captain America in the face what would happen?

With all his power too.

o boy

Cap took a serum which made him a tremendous athlete, but with no skills.

Cap trained to get the skills he acquired, but nowhere near as long as Batman.

Batman has been training since he was extremely young. Batman clearly has more skills in this fight.

The stamina would come into effect if the fight went several hours.

In Marvel vs DC, Bats and Cap were supposedly for 6 hours, and Bats was still in there fighting.

I think this fight, in real life, would not last long. Batman would lay some major nerve shots to Cap, and render Cap's arms and legs useless.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Boxing is a Martial Art. You know this. It's set up in a UFC ring bro. Nobody said anything 'bout UFC rules or time limits, stop trying to shorten it for Batman's benefit. 😆 We're not going to go to the scorecards for this one. It's over when it's over

When they are true peers, it usually goes to decision. When it's unbalanced or one has something in Spades over the other, it tends to be quicker. Stop with the time limit stuff please.

Don't ask me. Ask Attuma. He can tell you better than I can. Then again, he might not have too much to say.🙁 Pretend that's Cap's noggin instead of Attuma's

And to whoever said that the SSS had no point... It did. It made Cap very strong and very fast in a very short amount of time. Batman spent his entire LIFE training to be as good as he is. It's decades of work vs. an experimental wonderdrug that makes you perfect within seconds. It's like the master craftsman vs. the machine or the swordmaster vs. the guy with a gun. It's 2 roads that lead to the same place. Which is better? There are advantages to both.

Originally posted by xkalybr
Cap took a serum which made him a tremendous athlete, but with no skills.

Cap trained to get the skills he acquired, but nowhere near as long as Batman.

Batman has been training since he was extremely young. Batman clearly has more skills in this fight.

The stamina would come into effect if the fight went several hours.

In Marvel vs DC, Bats and Cap were supposedly for 6 hours, and Bats was still in there fighting.

I think this fight, in real life, would not last long. Batman would lay some major nerve shots to Cap, and render Cap's arms and legs useless.

Originally posted by brainchild81
1st. Marvel Vs DC was a popularity contest. 2nd. Even in that, Batman was breathing hard as Hell and Cap wasn't. For the last time, Batman knows more MA styles, that doesn't mean he's a more effective fighter. Cap will very likely avoid Batman's nerve shots. These are two master tacticians, they know what to look out for.

Agreed to Marvel vs. DC. And don't try to bring in stuff FROM Marvel vs. DC while you're denouncing it. 😉

Batman knows every martial arts style Cap knows. And more. He's proven time and again to be extremely effective. Hell, he beat Robin in 3 minutes using ONLY Indian styles. Badass. In pure h2h fighting, Cap has VERY few feats. He's not bad by any stretch of the word, but he's never proven to be especially good either. Almost everything he does involves his shield in one way or another. I respect him terribly, but the majority of his skill involves a heavy reliance on his primary weapon, where Batman's gadgets are much more supplements than they are has main focus. The skill edge goes pretty clearly to Batman, IMO. Physically, Cap wins. Skillwise, Batman wins. The victories are by relatively small margins on both accounts. Hence, 5/10 each.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Boxing is a martial art... That gets ever so much more effective when they AREN'T wearing gloves. Gloves make matches longer, as do restrictions on grappling moves, pressure points, kicks, etc. Boxing is a martial art, but the sport is very restricted, as it should be, making it much harder to knock out one's opponent.

"True peers"? That's just grasping at straws. I've seen good fights end in knockouts and seemingly one sided fights end drag beyond the time limit. Real world fights have very little bearing on this fight, as these two aren't exactly "real".

Originally posted by Dizzle
That's probably what'd happen to Batman. Good thing the whole "Superman" thing was a massive, massive strawman to begin with, eh? 😉

Originally posted by Dizzle
And to whoever said that the SSS had no point... It did. It made Cap very strong and very fast in a very short amount of time. Batman spent his entire LIFE training to be as good as he is. It's decades of work vs. an experimental wonderdrug that makes you perfect within seconds. It's like the master craftsman vs. the machine or the swordmaster vs. the guy with a gun. It's 2 roads that lead to the same place. Which is better? There are advantages to both.

Okay, time for a realist. Bats is a great fighter, this is true. That's why I'm happy that Christian Bale plays him now. However, if Cap connects with a hit, which he most likely would, Bats is dead. We're talking about a guy that held his own against The Hulk in the 616 continuity and Ultimate continuity. His physical strength could break Bats' bones with one hit. Cap wins.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Then you've nullified your "real fights don't last that long" arguement. Fact is, we don't know how long this'll last, but because of the fact that they are near equals, it's likely to be longer rather than shorter. It's in Batman's best interest to try to end this as soon as possible. Therein lies the problem though, Cap doesn't have to even consider time as a factor & he isn't going to be easy to put away.

Nope, it was merely me asking you a question and trying to determine just how much faith you have in Batman's mask after you tried(and failed) to make sense of Batman taking AM's hits like that. That was total PIS.

It's more like the swordmaster vs the gunmaster. The gunmaster will likely win. It's decades of work vs. an experimental wonderdrug that makes you perfect within seconds and decades of work.