Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Okay, time for a realist. Bats is a great fighter, this is true. That's why I'm happy that Christian Bale plays him now. However, if Cap connects with a hit, which he most likely would, Bats is dead. We're talking about a guy that held his own against The Hulk in the 616 continuity and Ultimate continuity. His physical strength could break Bats' bones with one hit. Cap wins.

(sigh) Captain America benches about 1000 pounds. Batman can likely do around 800-850. The strength difference is pretty small. Your perception of Cap's strength is way off. If we really want to get into PIS feats, Batman has put down Solomon Grundy on several occasions. Solomon Grundy has held his own against Superman in a slugfest. Yet he's still human. People job, get over it.

I dont know if i posted on this topic yet, but i dont think it would come down to fighting skills at all here. Both Bats and Cap are expert fighting technicians. Probably the best from both companies. Im not saying that they are the best when it comes to actualy skills, but the execution and fighting smarts they have make them such formidable combatants. They both know a great deal of move and have beaten people stronger and/or faster than them. Going purely off feats, Batman is always going to have more than Cap because hes more used and a more popular character. If we go by that alone, then yea Bats wins. But if the two were to really get it on, theres no doubts that it will be a long drawn out fight. Each would probably land hits on the other, but nothing to do serious damage. The only reason ill give Cap the slight sdge is beacuse he IS a human to the highest physical perfection possible. With that said, hed simply outlast Cap. It was said that Bats onces stayed up for a long time without getting sleep. Thats a good feat, but if he and Cap were fighting for days, Bats is more likely the one to tire first. There should be no doubts about that. I think their technique is too similar, so one doesnt really have an advantage over the other. Bats is naturally smarter than Cap, but Caps fighting IQ is probably among the highest in comics along with Bats, so once again one doesnt have an advantage over the other. Strength doesnt play a factor at all here nor does speed imo. Thus all thats left is stamina. Who can outlast the other and the scale is tipped in Caps favor. Thats why i say Cap wins.

^ Are you sure about that? He'd be a lot bigger if Bats could bench that much. He's not that strong. If he is, then DC has a lot of continuity problems that they need to resolve. A human with no aid of steroid or such that could lift as much as you say would be gigantic, and inflexible. Batman is extremely flexible, so it doesn't make much sense. Also, Cap has much more endurance due to the Super Soldier formula, which slows down Amino Acid buildup in the muscles, so he doesn't strain as easily. However, both characters are truly admirable because I'd definately say that they are the champions of their respective comic labels. Captain America is said to be the best fighter in the Marvel continuity, and usually has all the angles covered. Batman is by far the best tactician that DC has, which is why he's the only DC hero I like nowadays. He always has all the angles covered. He can beat Supes by opening a part of his belt. They're both amazing, so it's hard to pick a winner, but I think Cap would come out in the end.

batman wins! Case Closed

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know if i posted on this topic yet, but i dont think it would come down to fighting skills at all here. Both Bats and Cap are expert fighting technicians. Probably the best from both companies. Im not saying that they are the best when it comes to actualy skills, but the execution and fighting smarts they have make them such formidable combatants. They both know a great deal of move and have beaten people stronger and/or faster than them. Going purely off feats, Batman is always going to have more than Cap because hes more used and a more popular character. If we go by that alone, then yea Bats wins. But if the two were to really get it on, theres no doubts that it will be a long drawn out fight. Each would probably land hits on the other, but nothing to do serious damage. The only reason ill give Cap the slight sdge is beacuse he IS a human to the highest physical perfection possible. With that said, hed simply outlast Cap. It was said that Bats onces stayed up for a long time without getting sleep. Thats a good feat, but if he and Cap were fighting for days, Bats is more likely the one to tire first. There should be no doubts about that. I think their technique is too similar, so one doesnt really have an advantage over the other. Bats is naturally smarter than Cap, but Caps fighting IQ is probably among the highest in comics along with Bats, so once again one doesnt have an advantage over the other. Strength doesnt play a factor at all here nor does speed imo. Thus all thats left is stamina. Who can outlast the other and the scale is tipped in Caps favor. Thats why i say Cap wins.

It's not even popularity, Batman just fights h2h a LOT more than Cap does. Cap uses his shield in probably 90% of his fights. Batman either uses gadgets and doesn't really "fight", or goes straight up h2h. The skills he has exhibited are far greater than those of Cap. Cap does indeed have a stamina edge, but Batman has proven time and again that he can last for huge periods of time. Fights between humans do NOT take hours and hours, which holds true in both real life and in comics. It simply doesn't happen, even these two are simply not THAT good. It WILL come down to the first person to and a good shot. Batman wins slightly in skills, Cap wins slightly physically. The edges all but balance each other, this fight is a complete tossup.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ Are you sure about that? He'd be a lot bigger if Bats could bench that much. He's not that strong. If he is, then DC has a lot of continuity problems that they need to resolve. A human with no aid of steroid or such that could lift as much as you say would be gigantic, and inflexible. Batman is extremely flexible, so it doesn't make much sense. Also, Cap has much more endurance due to the Super Soldier formula, which slows down Amino Acid buildup in the muscles, so he doesn't strain as easily. However, both characters are truly admirable because I'd definately say that they are the champions of their respective comic labels. Captain America is said to be the best fighter in the Marvel continuity, and usually has all the angles covered. Batman is by far the best tactician that DC has, which is why he's the only DC hero I like nowadays. He always has all the angles covered. He can beat Supes by opening a part of his belt. They're both amazing, so it's hard to pick a winner, but I think Cap would come out in the end.

I don't joke. 😐

Lifting 300 pounds with 1 arm, while severely injured. 😐

Originally posted by Dizzle
Not at all. I just said that being close to equal doesn't guarantee a long fight. And it won't be, not by Batman's standards. 15 minutes? 20? Batman can do that with no sweat. The only time stamina would become a factor is if you can PROVE that their fight would seriously last for hours on end. And it won't.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Nope, it was merely a massive strawman. Superman has been and always will be thousands and thousands of times stronger than Aquaman. So your "point" has about as much meaning as me saying that Thanos KOed Cap with a casual b!tchslap, therefore Batman wins.

Originally posted by Dizzle
No, you missed my point. Go back and read the post. 🙂

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know if i posted on this topic yet, but i dont think it would come down to fighting skills at all here. Both Bats and Cap are expert fighting technicians. Probably the best from both companies. Im not saying that they are the best when it comes to actualy skills, but the execution and fighting smarts they have make them such formidable combatants. They both know a great deal of move and have beaten people stronger and/or faster than them. Going purely off feats, Batman is always going to have more than Cap because hes more used and a more popular character. If we go by that alone, then yea Bats wins. But if the two were to really get it on, theres no doubts that it will be a long drawn out fight. Each would probably land hits on the other, but nothing to do serious damage. The only reason ill give Cap the slight sdge is beacuse he IS a human to the highest physical perfection possible. With that said, hed simply outlast Cap. It was said that Bats onces stayed up for a long time without getting sleep. Thats a good feat, but if he and Cap were fighting for days, Bats is more likely the one to tire first. There should be no doubts about that. I think their technique is too similar, so one doesnt really have an advantage over the other. Bats is naturally smarter than Cap, but Caps fighting IQ is probably among the highest in comics along with Bats, so once again one doesnt have an advantage over the other. Strength doesnt play a factor at all here nor does speed imo. Thus all thats left is stamina. Who can outlast the other and the scale is tipped in Caps favor. Thats why i say Cap wins.

Originally posted by Dizzle
It's not even popularity, Batman just fights h2h a LOT more than Cap does. Cap uses his shield in probably 90% of his fights. Batman either uses gadgets and doesn't really "fight", or goes straight up h2h. The skills he has exhibited are far greater than those of Cap. Cap does indeed have a stamina edge, but Batman has proven time and again that he can last for huge periods of time. Fights between humans do NOT take hours and hours, which holds true in both real life and in comics. It simply doesn't happen, even these two are simply not THAT good. It WILL come down to the first person to and a good shot. Batman wins slightly in skills, Cap wins slightly physically. The edges all but balance each other, this fight is a complete tossup.

Good post.

The key is that Batman does have more experience in hand to hand. Years and years of experience. Since he was a child.

Captain America took the serum, and became a great athlete with zero fight skills. He did train, but his fight training is no where near as excessive as Batman's. It's impossible.

Cap might win slightly physically, but that happens only if the fight goes hours and days. It won't.

Now, we are talking about hand to hand without gadgets, Batman would still win based on skills.

If weapons were allowed, Batman would win much faster because of all his updated, dangerous, and overpowering gadgets, plus his amazing skills.

Originally posted by xkalybr
Good post.

The key is that Batman does have more experience in hand to hand. Years and years of experience. Since he was a child.

Captain America took the serum, and became a great athlete with zero fight skills. He did train, but his fight training is no where near as excessive as Batman's. It's impossible.

Cap might win slightly physically, but that happens only if the fight goes hours and days. It won't.

Now, we are talking about hand to hand without gadgets, Batman would still win based on skills.

If weapons were allowed, Batman would win much faster because of all his updated, dangerous, and overpowering gadgets, plus his amazing skills.

The fight is good....so i will change my percentage....cap wins 9/10

jeez, this thread is really persistent.

Let me just add this cap pwning hyde feat........cause i want to :banana:

Originally posted by King KAM
I have too disagree....there isnt a difference in skills between someone whos been training for 16 years and someone whos been training 22 years.....there just isnt...after about 10 years....in REALITY there isnt a difference....sorry.....and bats has SKILLS, but cap has shown to be able to take out every peak human opponent in his path...making him bats equal till proven wrong......

The fight is good....so i will change my percentage....cap wins 9/10

The thing is, Cap DIDN'T train for 16 years. He trained for a couple months, tops. He's been FIGHTING for a long time, but that doesn't make him more proficient in the martial arts. Whatever Cap knows, batman knows, and probably a way to counter it too. That IS his advantage. Cap's advantage is simply that he's stronger. The two are very very close. 5/10 each. And what peak humans has Cap taken out that are even close to Batman?

YES!!!! Slow but steady success! Vote 5/10!

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Let me just add this cap pwning hyde feat........cause i want to :banana:

That's a cool shield that he whacks Hyde in the face with... Does he have that here?

Amen that this guy hasn't mastered the banana smiley... We'd all be doomed. (jk SW, jk) 💃 💃 💃

If cap had the same strength, reflexes, stamina, etc. as batman he would still win easily. I read in countless places that cap is a master of all forms of combat. Marvel says that cap's hand to hand combat is unequaled by any. So this is a no brainer thread.
Cap wins 10/10

Take away Batman's utility belt. He still has his martial arts skills and defense tactics.

Take away Captain America's Shield. He still has his fighting skills BUT his defense tactics decrease do to his dependence on the shield.

In Hand to hand combat both men will retain their fighting skills. However, Batman doesn't need any shields to block an enemies attacks. Capt does. Batman has the edge over Capt.

So were just supposed to assume that Cap. A man who's one of the greatest fighters on earth just totally breaks down without the shield? He can't block without it now? Defense with the shield 100%, Without 0%? That's weapons grade balonium!!!

Originally posted by Dizzle
The thing is, Cap DIDN'T train for 16 years. He trained for a couple months, tops. He's been FIGHTING for a long time, but that doesn't make him more proficient in the martial arts. Whatever Cap knows, batman knows, and probably a way to counter it too. That IS his advantage. Cap's advantage is simply that he's stronger. The two are very very close. 5/10 each. And what peak humans has Cap taken out that are even close to Batman?

YES!!!! Slow but steady success! Vote 5/10!

I agree, except I think Bats would win 7/10 fights.

I'm sure most read "Under the Hood" where Batman and Nightwing, mostly Batman, fight a guy (Amazo???) whose powers equal all seven members of the Justice League.

Batman took him down with every skill and gadget in his arsenal. I just can't picture Captain America doing that.

Bats wins 9/10 fights.

Originally posted by brainchild81
So were just supposed to assume that Cap. A man who's one of the greatest fighters on earth just totally breaks down without the shield? He can't block without it now? Defense with the shield 100%, Without 0%? That's weapons grade balonium!!!

That's ad hominem again... He wasn't saying that at all, and you know it. He said that Cap's best fighting is done with his shield. He has VERY few fights without it, while Batman does a hell of a lot of pure h2h combat. It's not that Cap is useless without it, but he relies on it much more than Batman relies on his gadgets. Therefore, it wold stand to reason that he would be hurt more by the loss of his shield than Batman would be by the loss of his gadgets.

Cap doesn't know every style of combat, that's as BS as saying Punisher can shoot Spiderman. His training spanned months, at most. He uses mostly judo, jiu jitsu, and boxing. Batman's training lasted for years, and he HAS shown that he knows 127 different styles. Not all of them are as good as others, but pretty much every art has SOME point behind it, whether it's a single technique or an entire approach to fighting in general. Batman knows every trick that Cap does, and more.

Originally posted by xkalybr
I agree, except I think Bats would win 7/10 fights.

I'm sure most read "Under the Hood" where Batman and Nightwing, mostly Batman, fight a guy (Amazo???) whose powers equal all seven members of the Justice League.

Batman took him down with every skill and gadget in his arsenal. I just can't picture Captain America doing that.

Bats wins 9/10 fights.

And see, I'd still tend to disagree with this. Batman should not beat Amazo, and Batman should not beat anyone else who has the powers of all 7 of the main JLAers. There's massive speedblitz and power potential there, Batman should've been outclassed. There is always a line to draw for characters between serious good feats and PIS. (though some fights and comics have both good feats and PIS... it really isn't that black and white) Batman does some CRAZY stuff within the JLA, just as Cap has a lot of huge feats from leading the Avengers. Cap can't take someone down with gadgets, because he doesn't use gadgets. It doesn't make Batman better in h2h combat.

I also like how you went from 7/10 to 9/10 within a single post...

Captain America takes a solid 5/10. 😉

Originally posted by Dizzle
That's ad hominem again... He wasn't saying that at all, and you know it. He said that Cap's best fighting is done with his shield. He has VERY few fights without it, while Batman does a hell of a lot of pure h2h combat. It's not that Cap is useless without it, but he relies on it much more than Batman relies on his gadgets. Therefore, it wold stand to reason that he would be hurt more by the loss of his shield than Batman would be by the loss of his gadgets.

Precisely ✅