Originally posted by brainchild81Pressure points?
May have, but were they as good as Cap @ fighting? That last statement is only powerful if the greater threat is doing his best. Example, Batman can judo flip Supes all week and we all know it's no big deal because Supes is a fool and he always holds back on Bats. Batman performing the same move on Shiva is impressive cause she's got skills. Supes is a greater threat than Shiva, but his foolishness makes him an easier victim. What greater threats were you talking about?
However, as you mentioned Shiva, Batman's beaten her.
Batman even beat the person that killed her, which was her second time beating Shiva, without even flenching. In fact, besides a single block, he does it with one hand and shows her how he could rip her throat out with a gesture.
http://img54.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img54&image=bat3.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=bat6.jpg
Originally posted by JuntaiWhen did this happen chronologically DC universe wise? She looks quite young there. Were there other factors in the fight? Was she coked up or something? Stressed out? Him beating her like that won't make sense otherwise. In "A Death in the Family" Bats fought her w/both hands and was bleeding from the nose(She might have broken it). Robin had to come save him.
Pressure points?
He's used them so many times through comics it's hard to count, though he does prefer striking, because he's a dick. lol.However, as you mentioned Shiva, Batman's beaten her.
Batman even beat the person that killed her, which was her second time beating Shiva, without even flenching. In fact, besides a single block, he does it with one hand and shows her how he could rip her throat out with a gesture.
http://img54.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img54&image=bat3.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=bat6.jpg
Correct me if I'm wrong but Batman's on panel proof is a cd that he gave Batgirl that was mostly viewed off-panel, how does that prove he knows those styles. I could checkout a judo book from the library and make a video of me doing the moves, that doesn't prove I actually know them.
Also, if handbooks are crap then why do people keep saying all he knows are judo and boxing since the only place those are listed are the handbooks.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Correct me if I'm wrong but Batman's on panel proof is a cd that he gave Batgirl that was mostly viewed off-panel, how does that prove he knows those styles. I could checkout a judo book from the library and make a video of me doing the moves, that doesn't prove I actually know them.Also, if handbooks are crap then why do people keep saying all he knows are judo and boxing since the only place those are listed are the handbooks.
I utterly agree. Just because he has knowledge OF them doesn't mean it's an intimate knowledge. Again, I think someone saw that print and exaggerated the concept. Batman knows OF and has perhaps used some of those forms of combat. But he hasn't mastered them all.
http://www.batman-of-gotham.supanet.com/Batman_JLAMember_JimLee.jpg
Check the link
And I am just ok with him mastering just 127 martial arts styles. But then again him mastering everying thing is just a bonus.
Oh and I don't think somebody saw something and then just decided that batman has mastered every single martial art.
First, it states he has mastered VIRTUALLY all forms of combat. Not all. And I'm sure there are more than 127 forms of combat. Not all of which he's mastered. I can see how people would get confused and state that he has mastered 127 forms of combat. Now lets look at the definition of virtually...
vir·tu·al·ly [vûr'chū-ə-lē]
adv.
In fact or to all purposes; practically: The city was virtually paralyzed by the transit strike.
Almost but not quite; nearly: “Virtually everyone gets a headache now and then” (People). in essence or effect but not in fact. (of actions or states) slightly short of or not quite accomplished; `near' is sometimes used informally for `nearly' and `most' is sometimes used informally for `almost' Synonyms: about, just about, almost, most, all but, nearly, near, nigh, well-nigh.
With that in mind, Batman has NOT mastered 127 major combat forms. Until I see a comic scan of him stating; " I have mastered one hundred and twenty seven major forms of combat. " I'm not inclined to agree with the consensus. Again, I can see how someone MIGHT get over excited and translate those words into being something it's not.
127 he has mastered with a few that he might just know about or nothing at all. Which is what virtually is probably discribing.
And from your defination of virtually batman just about mastered every form of martial art there is. Which means like he does not know or has not mastered or know about what....1 2.. or 5 fighting styles.
Virtually means you are at the finish line but you have not crossed it yet. Virtually means you are 5 feet from the finish line after running a 10k marathon.
Anyways in batman official hand book it does say and I quote .....learning form manhunters and martial artist, mastering every fighting style.
So in retrospect batman has indeed mastered every single martial arts there is.
In batmans Defense, although it is impressive that Captain america has mastered Roughly 127 martial arts, it would indicate that captain america has a little more to choose from, and it would give him some sort of expirence over batman.
On the other hand, Just because batman may know a smaller category of arts doesnt mean hes neccessairly worse off (if that was the case). If you had alot to choose from, would Probably use what was most effective, not everything for the sake of using everything. If you have incredible basics and are using something that is very effective, the ammount of styles you knew would be irrelevant (to some point)
Although, Captain america clearly has alot more to pull from than batman does as far as fighting goes
Originally posted by Silent Master
And from the offical Marvel handbook, Cap's fighting skill is listed as 7 which Marvel defines as 'all styles'.
✅ So that means according to Lifeisaglich, Captain America is also the master of all known forms of combat, since Marvel.Com and the Official Marvel Handbook state that a 7 is a master of all known forms of combat, etc. Right?
Originally posted by nathan summers
✅ So that means according to Lifeisaglich, Captain America is also the master of all known forms of combat, since Marvel.Com and the Official Marvel Handbook state that a 7 is a master of all known forms of combat, etc. Right?
Since I still can't post links or pics, everyone will just have to settle to a quote.
Cache: My talents are many Captain, more than you can comprehend.Cap: Another puffed up nothing in a fancy suit, do you have any idea how many losers like you I’ve beaten over the years
Cache: no one like me, of that I can assure you, who else would use the classic mushido defense,
Cache: Who else could follow it up with a Ch’rai kick, and a bull thrust, because he’s cataloged every fighting style in the world?
Cap: Impressive, but not impressive enough, all the knowledge in the world doesn’t mean squat when you’re up against someone faster, stronger and better trained than you could ever hope to be
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
🤨bats is best martial artist there is caps going down
Shiva is better than Batman, Batman is one of the best but not the best. Captain America is superior to Batman in every way, Captain America is stronger, faster, more durable, stamina etc their about even in fighting slight edge to Cap. Captain America walked in a room with well over 100 hydra members that are at meta-human level and took them all out and wasn't even tired. Batman in Knight fall was physically and mentally drained and got his ass kicked by bane in his own house and got a broken back in the process.
