Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Dizzle
The argument died after the majority of people had decided that no real fights have ever lasted that long. 15 minutes isn't even the limit, Batman's fought for 10 hours straight without noticable signs of tiring. The thing is, you have yet to prove that the fight will last longer than 15 minutes, when Batman can last hours beyond that. The fact that you couldn't even prove 15 minutes makes 2 or 3 hours ridiculous to even consider, hence, the subject was basically dropped.

You bring it up now, when claims of "Cap knows every stlye of fighting in the universe" pop up. People claim, against plenty of evidence, that Cap is vastly superior in strength and speed, though I've proven otherwise several times over. You pick NOW, when people bump the thread with crap posts, to redress an argument that ended pages ago.

Excuse my unfounded confusion.

Originally posted by brainchild81
You are pardoned because you are human. Just don't do it again.🙂 Bandwagoning would be if I started saying "Yeah, Cap does know all styles" I haven't because I don't know if that's true and I really don't think it matters that much. Knowing what's effective is really important. A guy knowing more styles doesn't make victory certain. What majority are you talking about? & You are the one who said something along the lines of real fights not mattering here. If you believe that, then how long real fights last is irrelevant now isn't it?

Like I've said on another board, I only bring up the 'all styles' quotes when the other said starts saying Batman wins because he knows more styles. IMO it's how good you use what you know that defines your skill level, not how much you know.

Ditto

Originally posted by brainchild81
You are pardoned because you are human. Just don't do it again.🙂 Bandwagoning would be if I started saying "Yeah, Cap does know all styles" I haven't because I don't know if that's true and I really don't think it matters that much. Knowing what's effective is really important. A guy knowing more styles doesn't make victory certain. What majority are you talking about? & You are the one who said something along the lines of real fights not mattering here. If you believe that, then how long real fights last is irrelevant now isn't it?

True. Batman has proven time and again to be effective. Without his shield, Cap has not. His given repertoire of skills is nothing new to Batman, which is where his knowledge of fighting comes in. It's not the fact taht he knows all of them, it's his feats of combat PLUS his knowledge that gives him such a clear advantage here.

I said stuff like boxing and wrestling don't matter, as they have regulations, which make getting a KO much harder. If you can site me a streetfight that lasted 3 hours, by all means, go ahead and post it. The thing is, real fights haven't even come CLOSE to Batman's limits. Bruce could reasonably fight his hardest for hours on end without slowing down. Blows will land long before then, and once someone gets agood hit, this is pretty much over. I give Cap enough benefit of the doubt to say that. 😉

5/10 each.

I see someone never read the Cap issues where he went by the code name 'the Captain' because he didn't have the shield then and he did just fine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I've said on another board, I only bring up the 'all styles' quotes when the other said starts saying Batman wins because he knows more styles. IMO it's how good you use what you know that defines your skill level, not how much you know.

I said that was part of it, not all of it. It's a combination of everything that Batman has proven he can do, or a lack of Cap proving the same, when it comes to just fists. Physically, Cap takes a small edge, which is why I still say 5/10 each.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see someone never read the Cap issues where he went by the code name 'the Captain' because he didn't have the shield then and he did just fine.

Ok. name me something impressive that he did. I'm not saying he CAN'T fight shieldless, I'm saying that he's nowhere near as good without it as he is with it, and that his very few appearances without it hurts any argument for his skills in this thread.

Lack of Cap proving the same? the guy routinely beats the crud out of large groups of soldiers and even people like Batroc, Crossbones and Zaran, the latter of which gives Shang Chi a hard time. Cap rarely is ever shown having a hard time in hand to hand unless the other person has some sort of power and even then he generally still wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Lack of Cap proving the same? the guy routinely beats the crud out of large groups of soldiers and even people like Batroc, Crossbones and Zaran, the latter of which gives Shang Chi a hard time. Cap rarely is ever shown having a hard time in hand to hand unless the other person has some sort of power and even then he generally still wins.

Originally posted by nathan summers
So that means according to Lifeisaglich, Captain America is also the master of all known forms of combat, since Marvel.Com and the Official Marvel Handbook state that a 7 is a master of all known forms of combat, etc. Right?

I guess so at least batman has showed that he knows at least all of them arts. Which is not much I can say nor you or anybody could say about Cap. for that matter.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Lack of Cap proving the same? the guy routinely beats the crud out of large groups of soldiers and even people like Batroc, Crossbones and Zaran, the latter of which gives Shang Chi a hard time. Cap rarely is ever shown having a hard time in hand to hand unless the other person has some sort of power and even then he generally still wins.

Al of those shieldless? The whole point here is that he uses it in the vast majority of his fights. I can post Batman throwing batarangs and causing explosions and plot devicing the crap out of Superman, but what does it prove?

Besides figthing Shang, do any of them have good feats to speak of? Shang doesn't always fight godly style, like everyone, his showings go up and down. Batroc and Crossbones are mediocre at best, that's like me saying WW is godly because she defeated Cheetah I...

Batman beats everyone. EVERYONE. H2h or otherwise, I GUARANTEE you will lose a PIS war. Solomon Grundy went down twice, and Bats has some DAMN good Wonderwoman showings. And Mongul. And we can always NOT assume that passive gadgets are being removed, and say Batman keeps his motherbox, which is standard equipment for him now. Cap wins all of his fights because A: He's Cap. B: He has no good competition. and C: He's the leader of the Avengers. Not because he can honestly out slug the Hulk. Honeslty name me a human he's fought who's on the level of Shiva or Richard Dragon. Iron Fist jobs too much.

Of course he uses it in a most of his fights, it's his standard equipment, however he has managed just fine when he doesn't have it. As far as Batman's Solomon Grundy, Wonder Woman and Mongul showings, Cap has his showings against Hyde, Namor,Thor, Spider-man US. Agent, Rhino and others.

Well hes used his shield in thoes so they don't really count.

And I suppose Batman didn't use anything except HTH against Solomon Grundy,Wonder Woman and Mongul

Mastering 127 styles is inhumanly impossible and unrealistic, it takes years maybe life time to master one fighting style, that is utter bull sh** and people know it. Mastering several or studying several is some what realistic, Batman doesn't really have an edge over Captain America at all it anything Captain America has more, captain America stamina is above batman. Batman would have to push himself to endure a lng battle as where Captain America can fight for hours at a time with out getting tired both are human with super solider serum put cap is above batman in every single category except for intelligence. Even Deathstroke is a Captain America clone with greater strength and intelligence and he would own batman.

Originally posted by Dizzle
True. Batman has proven time and again to be effective. Without his shield, Cap has not. His given repertoire of skills is nothing new to Batman, which is where his knowledge of fighting comes in. It's not the fact taht he knows all of them, it's his feats of combat PLUS his knowledge that gives him such a clear advantage here.

I said stuff like boxing and wrestling don't matter, as they have regulations, which make getting a KO much harder.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Real world fights have very little bearing on this fight, as these two aren't exactly "real".

Originally posted by Dizzle
If you can site me a streetfight that lasted 3 hours, by all means, go ahead and post it.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The thing is, real fights haven't even come CLOSE to Batman's limits. Bruce could reasonably fight his hardest for hours on end without slowing down. Blows will land long before then, and once someone gets agood hit, this is pretty much over. I give Cap enough benefit of the doubt to say that. 😉

5/10 each.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course he uses it in a most of his fights, it's his standard equipment, however he has managed just fine when he doesn't have it. As far as Batman's Solomon Grundy, Wonder Woman and Mongul showings, Cap has his showings against Hyde, Namor,Thor, Spider-man US. Agent, Rhino and others.

You forgot Hulk, Red Skull w/cosmic cube twice, King Thor,Thanos, U.S Agent 😄

Originally posted by the Darkone
Mastering 127 styles is inhumanly impossible and unrealistic, it takes years maybe life time to master one fighting style, that is utter bull sh** and people know it. Mastering several or studying several is some what realistic, Batman doesn't really have an edge over Captain America at all it anything Captain America has more, captain America stamina is above batman. Batman would have to push himself to endure a lng battle as where Captain America can fight for hours at a time with out getting tired both are human with super solider serum put cap is above batman in every single category except for intelligence. Even Deathstroke is a Captain America clone with greater strength and intelligence and he would own batman.

Don't matter thats the way Batmans is written.

You can say the same about the super soldier serum and him surviving being frozen.

Batmans beat and tied Deathstroke.

Many people have proved Batmans endurance in this thread.

Its like this...

If some kung-fu thugs were bothering me, then batman is the one to call.

If some kung-fu aliens landed in my backyard then I would have to call CAP.

cap for the win...

This this shows Batman's costume durability level.

http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/dkendurance.html

Cap's punches won't hurt him.......