Originally posted by the DarkoneWhile I totally agree that truely astering 127 styles before the age of 127 doesn't make too much sense, we should just give Batman the benefit of the doubt here for the sake of the debate. It won't really matter anyway. He's doomed. Doooooooooomed I say!
Mastering 127 styles is inhumanly impossible and unrealistic, it takes years maybe life time to master one fighting style, that is utter bull sh** and people know it. Mastering several or studying several is some what realistic, Batman doesn't really have an edge over Captain America at all it anything Captain America has more, captain America stamina is above batman. Batman would have to push himself to endure a lng battle as where Captain America can fight for hours at a time with out getting tired both are human with super solider serum put cap is above batman in every single category except for intelligence. Even Deathstroke is a Captain America clone with greater strength and intelligence and he would own batman.
This this shows Batman's costume durability level.
http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/dkendurance.html
Cap's punches won't hurt him.......
Originally posted by Dizzle
I don't have to. Several sources have been provided that say he knows 127 styles, and I have proven where and for how long he has studied many of them. When? Between his parents death and his fulltime career as Batman. Where? Everywhere, all across the globe. Some with Richard Dragon, some with Shiva, some with Kirigi, Tsunemoto, etc. 127 styles is the end result of all of that. It's very specific, naming arts was never what I asked for.Give me a number or give me specific arts, try to explain how Cap found the time to master that many martial arts, show examples of him using them all. You can't, the dude never uses anything but his shield. You're simply not going to do better than a single, questionable quote from Cap himself.
He claims to be better trained than Cache, but that could mean he is simply better with what he knows, which could still be a considerable amount less than Batman. Knowledge does not mean effective, but Batman has proven his combat effectiveness time and time again. Shieldless, Cap has not, plain and simple.
As to the Kang quote, I'm not asking you to prove Cap's a good fighter. I'm asking you to back up your BS claim that Cap knows every martial art in existance. YOU CAN'T. Give it up.
Alright, reposting things is eventually just going to piss me off...
I know it's long. But just read the freaking thread, arguments are just repeating themselves now. I haven't seen anything in the last 5 pages that hasn't been said over and over and over and over again, and most of it is uninformed drivel as is. Understand both characters before posting here, kthx.
God dammit I'm sick of "Cap beat Thor" or "Cap can punch his head off" or "Cap won't get tired", "Batman lost to Shiva" and "Cap knows every martial art in the universe". It's been gone over extensively. I'll be back when someone posts Cap beating or standing up to someone who's even remotely CLOSE to Shiva in skills. Until then, read the thread.
Originally posted by h1a8
I think that if batman fought anyone of those foes using only h2h he will surely die (like he did when he fought bane). Also, i've seen many times where batman got hit (had blood drawn from him) by lesser fighting foes. That was said to show you that bats can get hit. You are a good arguer though. But cap wins this (this is not an opinion)
just playing! (it is a very fair assessment though)
Dude, its been pointed out time and time again that Batman had just locked up half of the criminals in Arkham Asylum and was deprived of sleep for 3 days.
Also, Batman is a "master" of at least 127 martial arts. Master requires a highly proficient level of skill, not just "the basics."
How did Batman master 127 martial arts in 30 odd years? Cap America wins though because you don't need to know 127 martial arts if you can only use one at a time. Kung Fu, the principle martial art, is about stripping away the unnecessary (Bruce Lee said so at least) and Cap has equal if not better skill in fighting, knowing all of the main styles, and superior strength and experience. All Batman would have is a prolific and slightly obsessive knowledge of martial arts. There is literally no point in being great at 127 arts when someone has become astounding at the few most effective.