Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Started by Silent Master220 pages

More speed feats.
Cap blocks multiple beams with his shield.

Again blocks multipile beams with guantlets.

Dodges beams while being under ZERO gravity.

Here Cap hits a mid-flight beam with a shield toss and well.....we've heard of roll with the punch as is slightly hits you. Here Cap rolls with the laser beam.

These are also pretty flashy scenes after the bullet has been fired.

Nowtice Cap moves ahead of these bullets, while before he was to there left side.

Here Cap throws his shield after bullets had been fired at there target.

This one we already saw against Winter soilder Cap dodges at very close range.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Damn right! Nobody wants a pack of snarling Batfanboys throwing rocks @ their office building. You know your good buddy brainchild had to fill you in on the truth though. Couldn't let you go on thinking Bats thought it was even🙂

Meh, it's one writer's opinion then. And way the hell out of character, (in true crossover fashion) Batman thinks he can beat anyone and everyone. And a good amount of the time, he can.

Yep and some of them are pretty cool too. However some of them are flat out PIS or lame. The ones w/Supes just show how gullible Supes is. The one w/the werewolf b**ch is lame cause she had issues from the start. The one with the guy that's not Cap isn't impressive on ANY level because the guy's fighting Batman with a broken arm. Bart wasn't trying to avoid being caught & him beating Zeiss just didn't make any sense unless Zeiss is slow as molasses. Him even giving WW a contest is pointless 'cause she's not fighting as hard as she can. I see right through Bullsh*t feats. If this is merely a PIS war, then Batman wins 10/10. Batman's been in way more books and has way more PIS feats. You haven't really proven anything to be honest. We already know Batman's fast. Show us a "faster than Cap" scan. It's unlikely that you can. Same way I'll likely not find any "faster than Batman" scans. I'll just go by what I know about the characters. Batman's a non-meta and Cap's bigger than him so he's also stronger, faster, more agile and has better stamina(super soldier serum).

Supes is gullible, yes, but that doesn't change the fact taht he operates at near light speeds...

Hey, you asked for scans of Batman scaring someone besides some random thugs. At least 3 were provided for you. Don't b!tch cuz your bluff failed terribly.

It's a supersoldier, Batman ended up kicking the crap out of him. I didn't post it as a feat, I posted it to show that Cap is nothing new to Batman.

I've posted Zeiss's scans a few times already, the dude is fast as hell, and fairly skilled. Batman outclassses his skills completely, and is fairly comparable in speed.

Batman and Wonderwoman were sparring. Neither was really trying to go for a kill, but the fact is, he DID pin her, in a fight, while WW is arguably the best h2h fighter on DC Earth, powers or not. They were there to practice their skills, so it makes no sense that she would simply let it happen, so he DID pull off the move successfully on her.

You dismiss every feat that doesn't serve your cause as bull, without providing a single one yourself. Many have been provided for you by now, but it doesn't change the fact that your entire argument is based around feeble attempts to downplay Batman's feats.

I haven't proven anything with 20+ scans, but you have, with a big zero? I've proven that Batman is, in all areas, at LEAST pretty equal in comparison to Cap.

You even admitted your bias right there. "What I know about the characters". As far as I care, you know NOTHING about the characters. Until you come up with conclusive proof that doesn't come from the twisting hallways of your preconceived notions, you're wrong, plain and simple.

Cap's bigger, and therefore faster? The hell? Hulk's bigger than both, is he more agile than Cap? Batman's been training his whole life to hone his body to the peak of human perfection, Cap's some guy on steroids. Obviously, Batman's methods were superior, so he must be the faster one. Your entire argument is based off of an inherent bias of yours. Basically, it's branded into your brain that Cap is faster, regardless of how much evidence that says otherwise is thrown at you.

Nah. Cap wins 9/10. 1/10 Cap gets hit by a powerful stream of water for no reason @ all and loses. What martial arts was the grappler guy Batman fought using?

That's blatantly wrong though. If Cap missteps, even slightly, Batman decks him in the face and beats him into the ground. The fight won't come down to stamina, as Batman's been proven to last in constant combat for hours at a time. That would work the other way too, these guys are insanely well matched.

(and I have no idea what styles he was using, it was never stated...)

And SilentMaster, while the scans are impressive, (and a welcome change) I don't really see any single feats that Batman hasn't very nearly mirrored, or that are really well beyond what Batman has proven capable of.

And so no one gets high and mighty on me... It's rehashing old scans.

Yay close range, Matrix style bullet dodging. Neo eat your heart out.

The ever popular "being drawn multiple times in onepanel to showcase speed" technique.

Batman leaping through a very complicated laser security system. For anyone who says his genius won't help, he himself had deduced the entire pattern of lasers after viewing it for a very short amount of time.

Captain America's strength feats, eat your heart out...

Part Deaux

Stealthtastic. Batman sneaks into teh Spectre's hideaway temple thing, without being detected by Superman, Wonderwoman, or Hal Jordan as the Spectre himself. Green Arrow was there too, but he doesn't seem all that important by comparison.

Easily the best (and coolest) showing for the Batsuit...

For the nonbelievers, we have Zeiss... and his crazy amazing speed enhancements.

Batman dominating Zeiss

Ah, what the hell. For fun, we have Batman taking out a large percentage of his entire Rogue's Gallery.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And SilentMaster, while the scans are impressive, (and a welcome change) I don't really see any single feats that Batman hasn't very nearly mirrored, or that are really well beyond what Batman has proven capable of.

I feel the same about most of the Batman scans.

Cap EVENTUALLY takes this, after a very long, EPIC battle. His superhuman abilities give him in the edge in this purely hand-to-hand battle.

Great Scans Dizzle, downloaded all of them, how easily he took Zeiss, wow!

Gotta say I'm impressed with the Cap scans aswell

But the dude is right(Dizzle)this fight would not go on for hours, someone is bound to make a mistake at some point soon into the fight, there would be so many feints & parries being unleashed per minute that someone's getting touched and from what I understand they both have their suits on, Batman has some pretty impressive protection going on there, enough to absorb alot of Cap's blows, I don't think that Cap's suit is as resistant, so even if Cap was to land, he probably wouldn't be as effective as Batmans's blows, and Batman can hit,
HARD.

Guess who also hits hard

Hawkeye warning Cap about Thunderball.

Cap hits Thunderball and has him spout out blood. It only puts him down briefly though.

Cool scans

And who ever said this match is not going to last wrong is right.

First mistake gets who ever makes it knocked out.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, it's one writer's opinion then. And way the hell out of character, (in true crossover fashion) Batman thinks he can beat anyone and everyone. And a good amount of the time, he can.
Maybe with all his smarts he knows when he's beat. Just because you don't know when Batman's outclassed doesn't mean Batman doesn't. He yeilded. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Supes is gullible, yes, but that doesn't change the fact taht he operates at near light speeds...
That doesn't change the fact that he's FAMOUS for NOT operating @ near lightspeed or using pretty much any of his abilities to their best. Moot point & you know it. Please try again.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Hey, you asked for scans of Batman scaring someone besides some random thugs. At least 3 were provided for you. Don't b!tch cuz your bluff failed terribly.
I remember 2. A werebi**h with a mental disorder and some fool stupid enough to think Ras would be with him in the afterlife like a god. Verrry impressive🙄 You think Cap would scare as easily as those pitful people?

Originally posted by Dizzle
It's a supersoldier, Batman ended up kicking the crap out of him. I didn't post it as a feat, I posted it to show that Cap is nothing new to Batman.
Are you still trying to qualify that? OK I beat up a Kryptonian w/a broken spine. I guess I'm ready to take on Superman. He'd be nothing new to me(See how dumb that stuff sounds) 🙄 Funny how even w/1 broken arm he was still able to punch Batman in the face. Where's the Batspeed? Real Cap would've finished him off w/the right. Another moot feat(or show of experience), unless this is Batman Vs Cap w/broken right arm(No shield no gadgets), then it's totally valid😆

Originally posted by Dizzle
I've posted Zeiss's scans a few times already, the dude is fast as hell, and fairly skilled. Batman outclassses his skills completely, and is fairly comparable in speed.
The dude sees everything in slow motion(including Batman). Either he moves slower than grass grows or it's PIS. Plain & simple.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Batman and Wonderwoman were sparring. Neither was really trying to go for a kill, but the fact is, he DID pin her, in a fight, while WW is arguably the best h2h fighter on DC Earth, powers or not. They were there to practice their skills, so it makes no sense that she would simply let it happen, so he DID pull off the move successfully on her.
During a training session. Wow. Doesn't she wanna have sex w/him? 😄

Originally posted by Dizzle
You dismiss every feat that doesn't serve your cause as bull, without providing a single one yourself. Many have been provided for you by now, but it doesn't change the fact that your entire argument is based around feeble attempts to downplay Batman's feats.
Relax guy. Sorry, but when I see PIS or something that isn't really impressive, I have to speak on it. I haven't disregarded all your scans, only the ones that you can't see for what they really are. The whole JLA/Avengers thing shows I'm a tad bit better than you @ interpreting a scenario. I won't let love for a character compromise my judgment. Put your insults and anger to the side and you'll realize that the feats I've downplayed were deserving of it. I can't help it if you can't tell PIS when you see it. It's another case of you seeing what you want to and me seeing what's there. You'll remember that I did say SOME of them were valid.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I haven't proven anything with 20+ scans, but you have, with a big zero? I've proven that Batman is, in all areas, at LEAST pretty equal in comparison to Cap.

You even admitted your bias right there. "What I know about the characters". As far as I care, you know NOTHING about the characters. Until you come up with conclusive proof that doesn't come from the twisting hallways of your preconceived notions, you're wrong, plain and simple.

Cap's bigger, and therefore faster? The hell? Hulk's bigger than both, is he more agile than Cap?

😆 That's not what I meant. I wasn't clear enough. My theory on the peak human strength thing is based on size. See my posts in the Cap/Kingpin thread. Kingpin is stronger than Cap because of his size and larger muscles. If they were the same size Cap would probably be slightly stronger because of the serum. You know how in abilities summaries they say "posseses the speed and strength of a person his hieght age and build who engages in exersise bla bla blah"? That's what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Batman's been training his whole life to hone his body to the peak of human perfection, Cap's some guy on steroids. Obviously, Batman's methods were superior, so he must be the faster one.
I hope you're joking or said that out of anger. Starting to sound like ya got something against Cap. SS serum isn't steroids though. Cap didn't just use the serum and then go sit on the couch either. Since you called it that though, who do you expect to be a faster sprinter, the guy who trains hard or the guy who trains hard AND uses steroids? If you're asking who got their physicallity in the more admirable way, the answer is Batman. That won't really mean much here though. After is over, they aren't gonna disqualify Cap for "doping". Now for my cheapshot. *clears throat* Batman used Venom before 😛

Originally posted by Dizzle
Your entire argument is based off of an inherent bias of yours. Basically, it's branded into your brain that Cap is faster, regardless of how much evidence that says otherwise is thrown at you.
Show me the scans of the Watcher observing Batman and saying "not even Captain America is fast enough to do this" and you'll have something 😆 I think @ first you had speed as even. Now you have Bats being faster. What's changed?
Originally posted by Dizzle

That's blatantly wrong though. If Cap missteps, even slightly, Batman decks him in the face and beats him into the ground. The fight won't come down to stamina, as Batman's been proven to last in constant combat for hours at a time. That would work the other way too, these guys are insanely well matched.
Close, but the SS gives Cap an edge, even if it's a small one.

Originally posted by Dizzle
(and I have no idea what styles he was using, it was never stated...)
Can you post that fight again?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Marvel VS DC was horrible. 😆 That counts least of all. It was voted on

I wasn't saying it was any more reliable than JLA/Avengers. You were just getting hyped up with the fact Bats "conceived" that Captain had a chance of winning.

the guy who trains hard or the guy who trains hard AND uses steroids?

Maybe Batman trained in a way that makes him just as good as Captain America who trains hard and uses super serum.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
No he didn't. ❌

Batman said "You've won, but I don't know what will happen to my world now."

Batman defeats Captain America < Wikipedia

And you're wrong. Captain America was on the one that said that quote. I might pull out the scans later but Batman saved Captain America from being drown. Someone show me the "second" copy, If there is one (I want to see it for myself; then you can disregard this comment on that showing).

If by "insane" you mean "PIS powered". Then yes DC has unfortunately made my Batman into the most "insane" character I can think of. Cap can't beat PIS Bats

Captain America is "PIS powered" too you know. Holding his own against Spiderman (800 pound versus 10+ton strength)? Giant-Man? You're right though. PIS Batman can beat PIS Captain America, but Batman can also beat Captain America. They're closely matched in the end, except that Batman has brains and more versatility.

The dude sees everything in slow motion(including Batman). Either he moves slower than grass grows or it's PIS. Plain & simple.

Not slow enough to beat Batman.

During a training session. Wow. Doesn't she wanna have sex w/him?

lol I can't think of a mature counterargument for this very mature argument.

Relax guy. Sorry, but when I see PIS or something that isn't really impressive, I have to speak on it.

Please, say the same for Captain America then. Just take a look at the Captain America Respect Thread. It has lots of PIS just like Batman's accomplishments (although batman has more).

That's not what I meant. I wasn't clear enough. My theory on the peak human strength thing is based on size. See my posts in the Cap/Kingpin thread. Kingpin is stronger than Cap because of his size and larger muscles. If they were the same size Cap would probably be slightly stronger because of the serum. You know how in abilities summaries they say "posseses the speed and strength of a person his hieght age and build who engages in exersise bla bla blah"? That's what I'm talking about.

Makes sense

Close, but the SS gives Cap an edge, even if it's a small one.

Dizzle just said the fight doesn't come down to Stamina, so how is there any edge that will help.

I love batman, and Captain America, but Captain America is faster, more agile, a better tactician. Captain America is written to be Batman on steroids due to the Super Soldier Serum in his bloodstream... I have no idea why people would say that Batman is in Captain America's league, he isn't in any logical way.

Due to the Super Soldier Serum his reaction speeds are greater than Batmans, it has been stated that Batman has no powers, but Captain America does. Batman is more in Daredevils league. Captain America has been able to take down US Agent time, and again, Batman without any weapons could not do this unprepped, or should not be able to. Kinda like what happened to him in The Dark Knight returns, when he was up against a physical superior.

In the crossover JLA/Avengers both sides agreed that Captain America should be the tactician, so if Batman was a better shot caller it was not evident, instead he goes off on his own, and finds himself in a situation that would have likely ended up with him getting beaten to death.

When they fought on the rooftop Batman himself stated that "it was conceivable that Captain America would beat him", and asked the Captain "if that was something that he wanted to do". Captain America like Batman is well versed in many forms of martial arts, so any arguments brought to the table of whether , or not either is better is hearsay.

Captain America is naturally stronger than Batman, so if this fight goes the distance, Batman will lose, after all he has far less endurance, and like any fighter will tell you, once your legs go, the fights over. You'll see this as a clear fact, in any boxing match that you witness; Roy Jones Jr vs Antonio Tarver is a clear example.

You are wright everything that is brought to this thread is Hearsay because what you just said is nothing new. And if what you said where true then this thread would have been over a long time ago.

That is why you see all those pics of batman doing seemingly captain america physical stuff. Speed, strength, agility all of which mirrors what the cap. can do.

Now ask for Cap. being a better tactician than batman I do not agree. And say that batman is better tactician than cap would not be doing him justice either. As a result they are tie in this category. (Even though I side more with batman on this category and you cap.)

True on your state on if the fight last long batman would be in trouble but chances are, the battle is not going to last long. Batman knows his limits I am pretty sure that in the event that he starts to tire he is going to start trying funny little moves and stuff to try and end the match fast.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
I wasn't saying it was any more reliable than JLA/Avengers. You were just getting hyped up with the fact Bats "conceived" that Captain had a chance of winning.
He yeilded. Read between the lines and see what the writer wrote. I didn't get hyped up(see what I wrote about it when the issue 1st came up earlier in the thread), I just knew what was going on from the start. The problem is that many of Batman's fans were blinded to what was happening because they love him so much. For them Batman would have had to straight up say "I admit defeat. Please don't hurt me". They would've really hated that though 🙂 People just can't imagine someone around Batman's level being a bit better than him.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Maybe Batman trained in a way that makes him just as good as Captain America who trains hard and uses super serum.
Doubtful. Almost though.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Captain America is "PIS powered" too you know. Holding his own against Spiderman (800 pound versus 10+ton strength)? Giant-Man? You're right though. PIS Batman can beat PIS Captain America, but Batman can also beat Captain America. They're closely matched in the end, except that Batman has brains and more versatility.
I've never said Cap didn't have PIS in his skill set. Just not to the degree Batman does. Even Dizzle agrees that Cap ain't winning a PIS war.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Not slow enough to beat Batman.
Huh?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
lol I can't think of a mature counterargument for this very mature argument.
😆 I figured that'd be good for a laugh. Seriously though, we must all realize that was just a training session. I've seen a serious fight between Bats and WW. Bats got owned. Neither Bats nor Cap would have a snowball's chance in hell against WW. Come on now.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Please, say the same for Captain America then. Just take a look at the Captain America Respect Thread. It has lots of PIS just like Batman's accomplishments (although batman has more).
I've said that about Cap earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Makes sense
Thanks.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Dizzle just said the fight doesn't come down to Stamina, so how is there any edge that will help.
😆 Dizzle has shown himself to be good @ finding scans. I wouldn't consider him an authority on interpreting fights though. Dizzle says it won't, but many others(including myself) say it likely will.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic

In the crossover JLA/Avengers both sides agreed that Captain America should be the tactician, so if Batman was a better shot caller it was not evident, instead he goes off on his own, and finds himself in a situation that would have likely ended up with him getting beaten to death.

Just wanted to point out that DC allowed Cap to lead the team cause Marvel allowed Supes to knock Thors @ss out. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic

When they fought on the rooftop Batman himself stated that "it was conceivable that Captain America would beat him", and asked the Captain "if that was something that he wanted to do". Captain America like Batman is well versed in many forms of martial arts, so any arguments brought to the table of whether , or not either is better is hearsay.

You have this wrong too. Batman said it's conceivable that you "could" beat me. Not "would" beat me. There is a big difference.

ooops

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just wanted to point out that DC allowed Cap to lead the team cause Marvel allowed Supes to knock Thors @ss out. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
You have this wrong too. Batman said it's conceivable that you "could" beat me. Not "would" beat me. There is a big difference.
batman pretty much admittted it.

Originally posted by King KAM
batman pretty much admittted it.
I think you missed my point. Let me try and explain this. When he said "could" he meant there is a 50% chance Cap would win. If Batman said "would"(which he didn't) he would mean that there is a 100% chance Cap would win.

Am I the only one who realizes this?