Originally posted by Silent Master
Marvel.com lists his fighting skill at 7, seven means 'all styles', as for times when he's used other styles, he trained Wonderman in Aikido during his solo series
Exactly, the point I'm trying to make is that even "if" Captain America knew as much as Batman, he doesn't explore other martial arts that much. He doesn't venture out to fight with Akido, this could be:
1) He is "adept" at all martial arts, but not as good as he uses Judo and Kicking Boxing
2) He doesn't like to use other martial art forms because he goes with what works
The ending result is that Batman has much more versatility in his fighting. Captain might know some, but he's never going to use them in fights. Thus, Batman has small momentum in the fight because he'll be whomping on Captain America for the beginning. Afterwards, Captain America will have to start using his other forms of martial arts or else be left in the dust. Which means, Captain will be at a disadvantage for getting whooped in the beginning and having to recover to switch up his styles. Make sense?
Originally posted by Brainchild81Pay attention Life
Brain I did not misquote
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Originally posted by Silent Master
kurtbusiek
You can interpret it how you like, but my intent was that Batman was noting that Cap is the more skilled.
I see what I got wrong....the misquote was not intensional
But no matter how you interpret the quote he is still basically saying that batman was nothing......right? And as a result Cap is more skilled.
and why would batman not be able to get a hit in? his superior reflexes?, naw theyre not that good, hes not like spiderman, theyre good, better than bats' reflexes, but most of the punchez would get countered by his armor and bladed gauntlets via blocking, bats would take him, it would be a tough fight, but i think he he could pull it off
Originally posted by brazi dont know.....spider-man gets hit more than cap......
and why would batman not be able to get a hit in? his superior reflexes?, naw theyre not that good, hes not like spiderman, theyre good, better than bats' reflexes, but most of the punchez would get countered by his armor and bladed gauntlets via blocking, bats would take him, it would be a tough fight, but i think he he could pull it off
Originally posted by lifeisaglich😮Wrong. That's crazy Life. He's not implying in any way that Bats is nothing. He's just saying Cap is more skilled. Period. How could you get one from the other? You think DC'd allow someone who thought like that to write the book?
Brain I did not misquoteCheck this out
this is the post presented by Silent MasterI see what I got wrong....the misquote was not intensional
But no matter how you interpret the quote he is still basically saying that batman was nothing......right? And as a result Cap is more skilled.
I realize that there are many people who have not really fought, or trained in the martial arts. I want to just say two things. The more weight that you are carrying the slower you move, this is a fact. Kevlar is bullet resistant but I guarantee you that if I took a baseball bat to someone that was wearing a kevlar helmet they will be knocked the hell out.
Captain America would have no problem hurting Batman with a punch, this is a myth. Just think about it for a second okay. If there was a real life Captain America he would be considered one of the worlds strongest men, while possesing the speed of the fastest boxer, or sprinter (even faster when you factor in the serum). My point is that he can hurt Batman right through his costume, we are not talking about Superman here we're talking about a guy who wears body armor that is a little bit tougher than the Punisher's, and we have all seen how good that armor how done when he got into it with Dardevil. I realize that Batman can produce armor that can be classified as plate metal, but in this fight he's not wearing that type.
Logically like I said before, this fight may go on for 15 maybe 20 minutes, but in the end Captain America will win. Why? Because he's not just some little league fighter, that Batman will run rings around, he has far more combat experience than Batman, decades more.
This is my first time stepping in here all though I've read most of these with some interest.
I'll put in my two cents and then probably never return.
Captain America wins. He's been through more and required less than Batman ever has. The guy has a shield and he survived encounters with the likes of the Hulk and Thanos. Batman has more toys than the state of Nebraska. He's not as versatile in simplicity as Captain is.
Originally posted by Brainchild81
Wrong. That's crazy Life. He's not implying in any way that Bats is nothing. He's just saying Cap is more skilled. Period. How could you get one from the other? You think DC'd allow someone who thought like that to write the book?
I am not wrong....that is what he said not I. What he said is what he meant. There are whole lots of other words out there that he could have used to describe batman not being up to par with Cap. in the skill department. He could have just said what you said "Cap is more skilled" Instead he said that batman was nothing. Nothing is exactly what it means nothing. Mr. Busiek did not beat around the bush, he went straight to the point. You might want to deny it but he said it.
And yes DC would, so long as you are good writer, a good story teller, a good artist it doesn't matter who you have as a favorite hero. All that matters is are you good enough to bring in the green.
You know Mr. Busiek could have just said what you said (Cap is more skilled) but he didn't. He has made his opinion about these two quite clear. Why can't you see that?
😆 Dammit Life! "Nothing" & "Noting(Note + ing)" are 2 different words. He wrote
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou wrote
Chuckg
Don't you think Batman should be able to defeat Captain America by using his leopard blow?kurtbusiek
[b]No, not particularly.Chuckg
That really should be interpreted that Batman thinks he'd beat Cap, doesn't it, since Batman is the far more skilled fighter?kurtbusiek
You can interpret it how you like, but my intent was that Batman was noting that Cap is the more skilled.[/B]
Originally posted by lifeisaglichSee the difference?
kind of like what Mr. Busiek in the Avenger/JLA crossover who said [B]Batman was nothing and Captain America is more skilled. Which is basically anouncing his own believes, I wounder what those writers believed? 🙂 [/B]
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Instead he said that batman was nothing.
He did not say 'nothing' he said 'noting'(IE note) as in Batman was making note of the fact that Cap was more skilled.
From the dictionary
note
One entry found for note.
Main Entry: 1note
Pronunciation: 'nOt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): not·ed; not·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French noter, from Latin notare to mark, note, from nota
1 a : to notice or observe with care b : to record or preserve in writing
2 a : to make special mention of : REMARK b : INDICATE, SHOW
- not·er noun
I had a feeling I was going to come back to this thread.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I'm a martial artist of seventeen years, I know Kung Fu, and Judo. I'll tell it as it is, there is no way to become a master of 127 forms of martial arts. Like the old saying goes being a jack of all trades means that you're a master of none.
That's nice you're a martial artist and you know all that. However, this is comic book world where the impossible becomes possible. So if you're trying to apply real life to fantasy then you're way off in this disccusion. This is pure fictional.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Let's look at this on a more logical level, Captain America under optimal conditions has rarely if ever been put down by an opponent of equal or nearly equal strength face to face.
Thanks to his shield. Go back and read my earlier posts. In which I address the fact (yes, the FACT) that Captain America uses his shield for defense all the time. No gadgets and no shields Capt defense tactics drop to the floor without his shield.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Captain America's endurance is far greater than Batmans, I know for a fact what it feels like when your limbs get heavy while sparring or straight out pushing yourself for 20 minutes. Captain America will outlast Batman (both of these men are over 200 pounds, just think about how long it would take to tire if you jumped around for long periods while fighting no less).
Of course anyone can! Captain America is all juiced up! Barry Bonds uses steroids and hits more homers than someone like Jeter. Heck! Bane is similar in strenght and durability to Captain America. So if you're pointing out that being enhanced makes you more resistand...well, heck. We already know that.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Captain America is stronger, faster, more agile, and has better endurance, due to the Super Soldier Serum in Captain America's blood stream. Captain America will eventually wear Batman out, and go for the knock out (this is the only logical outcome) Captain America is the superior specimen physically.
He's juiced. What more can you say? Batman is 100% beef. No additivies no enhancement. That is what is more impressive about Batman than Capt....no need to depend on foreign chemicals to strengthen your muscles.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Like I pointed out earlier Batman may have dabbled in 127 martial arts, but being a master of this many styles is impossible to accomplish in 3 lifetimes yet alone one. Before people bring nonsense up like that, they should go out, and ask someone who knows better.
Let me welcome you to Comic Book World. Where things are way different from the real world.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
As for Batman being a better war tactician Captain America was commanding war battalions when Batmans father was a child, the experience of leadership goes to Captain America.
Captain America isn't leading a bunch of G.I. to a battle. This is one on one fight. Leadership means nothing here...only fighting skills matter.
Avengers#53(468)
Marcus: Initial analysis indicates that they are using the inchoate energies within the pyramid to duplicate our simulacrum-projection technology, though how skilled can they---
Kang: Enough, do not underestimate them. Captain America is an astounding warrior-- he has never fought under these conditions before-- but already he adapts- mastering the form more completely than many who’ve trained for decades, it is what makes him such a worthy foe
adaptability is very important.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfYou do realize the Barry Bonds comparison thing helps the "Cap wins" side? Bonds is better because of the steroids, just as Cap is better because of the serum. Thank you. This is what we've been saying all along.
Of course anyone can! Captain America is all juiced up! Barry Bonds uses steroids and hits more homers than someone like Jeter. Heck! Bane is similar in strenght and durability to Captain America. So if you're pointing out that being enhanced makes you more resistand...well, heck. We already know that.He's juiced. What more can you say? Batman is 100% beef. No additivies no enhancement. That is what is more impressive about Batman than Capt....no need to depend on foreign chemicals to strengthen your muscles.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Starting to sound like ya got something against Cap. SS serum isn't steroids though. Cap didn't just use the serum and then go sit on the couch either. Since you called it that though, who do you expect to be a faster sprinter, the guy who trains hard or the guy who trains hard AND uses steroids? If you're asking who got their physicallity in the more admirable way, the answer is Batman. That won't really mean much here though. After it's over, they aren't gonna disqualify Cap for "doping". Now for my cheapshot. *clears throat* Batman used Venom before 😛