Originally posted by Master Court
Truth be told, Batman's as good as his armor and gadgets. Cap's suit isn't even bullet proof. It isn't even armor at all. Still, Cap happily beat the shit out of Wolverine when Wolverine was killed and resurrected(and brainwashed) by the Hand to be a completely unhinged psycho, and Wolverine has had even more training than Cap. Probably several times his age. He's had Samurai training. Ninja training. Military training. Weapon X. And we all know the healing thing and adamantium claws. You name it. Wolverine has fought in SEVERAL wars. In this same story, Wolverine single-handedly whooped the (3/4)Fantastic Four. Still, pwned by Cap with little effort.
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Wolverine had been subjected to many attacks before Cap bashed him with his "mighty shield". He even stated that he'd never been such a mess.
Phoenix blasted him.
He endured a thermal shock.
Pryde hit him in the head, too.
And there was Cyclops' optic blast. Scott isn't exactly known for his sympathy for Wolverine.
Not to mention that that was a sneak attack, Logan was mind controlled and missing a piece of his soul...
Alright, the suit's kinda bullet proof in some writings, although he's been SHOT shot before, as in the bullet goes through. And Cap doesn't even fall. He ignores it and keeps fighting.
As for the Wolverine thing. Yeah. I just checked the book and of course you're right. I'm not gonna bother with the "maybe Wolverine had healed" BS. That aside, Cap has shown to be equal and even superior to many of his super-powered comrades. He did beat the shit out Iron Man in civil war.
Originally posted by Master Court
As for the Wolverine thing. Yeah. I just checked the book and of course you're right. I'm not gonna bother with the "maybe Wolverine had healed" BS. That aside, Cap has shown to be equal and even superior to many of his super-powered comrades. He did beat the shit out Iron Man in civil war.
To be fair, Vision's help was invaluable.
Originally posted by Master Court
And I figured Cap was talking about Wolverine's batshit mental problems when he was referring to the "mess".
Re-read the issue. Cap wasn't referring to that. Those were Wolverine's thoughts in yellow boxes.
The only thing that captain america has going for him in this fight is the fact that he is stronger that batman. Captain america is not faster than batman in terms of reflexes. And the strength that capt. has is nothing batman cannot handle. It is great that captain america has great stamina it has been shown that batman has great stamina too. Which is what count in the fight.
His strength is countered by batman's martial arts skills. Captain America is good but batman is better.
Remember batman's gadget do not always work and when they fail batman has to rely on his martial skills. He does not have the good fortune of having something like the SSS running through his veins. He has to think fast and move just as fast all of this he has been shown doing.
The SSS is batman in the DC universe. All else remaining equal except strength which is not a factor.
This is tie match.
Batman can use gadgets but he can also work without them.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Steve is stronger, atleast twice as strong actually. they have equal reflexes, he has better durability, and his stamina is high levl superhuman. So yea steve for the win
Yeah Steve is stronger for sure. The guy has held open closing Gamma core doors, to close off nuclear launch ones as well, to even break out of cryogenic freeze. These are all like class 1 ton to 5 tons feats. Or his crazier one his ICBM shield throw. ICBM travel close 15,000 mph and he hit one of them while it was around clouds.
Since some are mention Batman's high end feats.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah Steve is stronger for sure. The guy has held open closing Gamma core doors, to close off nuclear launch ones as well, to even break out of cryogenic freeze. These are all like class 1 ton to 5 tons feats. Or his crazier one his ICBM shield throw. ICBM travel close 15,000 mph and he hit one of them while it was around clouds.Since some are mention Batman's high end feats.
He's also taken down a helicopter with a shield throw and thrown his shield through a truck.
Originally posted by unknowablebatman has all those things at there peak aswell but unlike captain he got them the old fashioned way...sorta
And this:bilities: Captain America has agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he has metabolized has enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.
sorry about this thread, I don't think Batman stands a chance.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Vision's help was invaluable.Re-read the issue. Cap wasn't referring to that. Those were Wolverine's thoughts in yellow boxes.
Oooohhh. Months back, my little sister tore the shit out of it, so it's not all legible. She got some other good stuff as well. 😘
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Remember batman's gadget do not always work and when they fail batman has to rely on his martial skills. He does not have the good fortune of having something like the SSS running through his veins. He has to think fast and move just as fast all of this he has been shown doing.The SSS is batman in the DC universe. All else remaining equal except strength which is not a factor.
This is tie match.
Batman can use gadgets but he can also work without them.
Uh, NO. The SSS is not Batman in DC. Batman is a normal man, who just spends all his time either in the gym, or beating people up. He's good at what he does, granted, but I've seen the Green Arrow hold him off and even slug him a couple times. Green Arrow is nowhere near Bats in fighting skill, so obviously that means Batman's skill is not flawless.
As for the SSS. It's not a magic thing that is still with Steve. He metabolized it. That means it did it's job and it's gone. He's physically PERFECT. And his fighting skill is all about precision. He rarely ever misses a target or fails at a goal once he sets his mind to it. Like I stated earlier, BANE, one of Batman's more common enemies, messed him up and paralyzed him. Nothing like that has ever happened to Captain America.
And as for reflexes? Can Batman dodge bullets that are already in flight while charging towards the shooter? Do you know what kind of speed and reflexes it takes to deflect a bullet that's heading for someone else?
Here's a run down on Cap:
Durability : Surviving pointblank grenade explosions, and gunshot wounds(usually sustained by taking the shot to protect someone else).
Strength : Known to press over a thousand pounds, and, when the chips are down, he's been known to dig deep and perform what are easily superhuman feats.
Speed : Outruns a thrown car to rescue the people in it's path. He's faster than Daredevil.
Reflexes : Of course, dodging bullets. That's on par with Spider-Man's reflexes only without the spider sense, making it that much more impressive.
Agility : What he does to dodge those damn bullets. Basically the stuff Spider-Man does only lower jumps.
Batman cannot punch faster than bullets. And Cap dodges those things like it's a basic skill. Without the gadgets, Batman is far outclassed.
With them, sure, he's a decent opponent. But without them... 😆
Originally posted by jalek moyea humans strenght peak is able to lift there own body way and 800 pounds he literally tore tye roof of a car with his bare hands his reflexes are at there peak because he caught one of green arrow's arrows his durabaily is at his peak because he has been attacked my superman and wonder and darseid punched him and threw him at a wall he can run a 35 miles per hour so there is human speed i think he might be a challenge for captain america
steves higher then peak regardless of what it says. unless humans have an extremly high peak
Originally Posted by Master CourtUh, NO. The SSS is not Batman in DC. Batman is a normal man, who just spends all his time either in the gym, or beating people up. He's good at what he does, granted, but I've seen the Green Arrow hold him off and even slug him a couple times. Green Arrow is nowhere near Bats in fighting skill, so obviously that means Batman's skill is not flawless.
As for the SSS. It's not a magic thing that is still with Steve. He metabolized it. That means it did it's job and it's gone. He's physically PERFECT. And his fighting skill is all about precision. He rarely ever misses a target or fails at a goal once he sets his mind to it. Like I stated earlier, BANE, one of Batman's more common enemies, messed him up and paralyzed him. Nothing like that has ever happened to Captain America.
And as for reflexes? Can Batman dodge bullets that are already in flight while charging towards the shooter? Do you know what kind of speed and reflexes it takes to deflect a bullet that's heading for someone else?
Here's a run down on Cap:
Durability : Surviving pointblank grenade explosions, and gunshot wounds(usually sustained by taking the shot to protect someone else).
Strength : Known to press over a thousand pounds, and, when the chips are down, he's been known to dig deep and perform what are easily superhuman feats.
Speed : Outruns a thrown car to rescue the people in it's path. He's faster than Daredevil.
Reflexes : Of course, dodging bullets. That's on par with Spider-Man's reflexes only without the spider sense, making it that much more impressive.
Agility : What he does to dodge those damn bullets. Basically the stuff Spider-Man does only lower jumps.
Batman cannot punch faster than bullets. And Cap dodges those things like it's a basic skill. Without the gadgets, Batman is far outclassed.
With them, sure, he's a decent opponent. But without them... laughing
The SSS is batman in DC universe he is peak human, both physically and mentally. He can also back it up. He is known through out DC universe as one of the best martial artist and one of the smartest minds in the DC universe. Batman may be human but he is anything but normal. And ask for Green Arrow holding batman off that means nothing, batman has had bad days before and he going to have them in future batman is not perfect one of the reasons why people like him.
Does not change the fact that Batman got Steve level fitness without any experimental drugs. And Bane got the drop on batman after he out maneuvered batman by releasing all the inmates in arkham, which took a toll on batman’s health. On top of that he was able to figure that batman is bruce wayne. Which he used to his advantage by ambushing batman at his home. Bane has physically beaten batman before I guess he wanted to prove that he can also out think the batman. Even with this defeat batman was still determine to fight the good fight. And he won he regain the control of his legs and went back to kicking people of the streets like it never happen.
Yeah!!!!! There is nothing normal about this guy.
Dodging bullets? Why not lasers which are much faster. I see dodging bullets as a basic skill that ever superhero have. I mean you are not a superhero unless you can dodge bullet
The stat's you put down for Capt were all good except for strength what you said can also be said for batman. Which by the way is not a factor.
Without his gadgets batman is exactly captain America, well almost exact.🙂
This is a tie match.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
cap for the curbstomp damn him and his steroid induced abilities.. but the kicker is cap is not as skilled or knowledgeable in fighting as is bats. the only thing that allows cap to content with bats is his SS reaction time reflex otherwise bats would give him a horrible beat down.
Hey. what book is that wolverine panel from?