Anakin and Luke Skywalker(ROTS&ROTJ) Vs Darth Malak

Started by Kadesh17 pages

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kadesh! you are not an expert on Star Wars issues and comments like these are not useful in debates. Like others, you have your personal opinions on these things. But it is important to note that different people have different views about things. Just a friendly advice 😉

Malak is not a joke or something. He was very powerful and it took a Jedi more powerful then Anakin to bring him down to his knees in the final fight.

Anakin can defeat Malak but this fight can go either way depending upon the factor that whether this is Malak (at his prime) or normal Malak. Malak was also a master swordman and a fine Force adept and he is not an easy challenge.

im still learning ok 😉 But believe me, the fanboyism for kotor is immense

Btw that "final fight" was easy, i pwned malak and moped the floor with his ass. I pretty much dislike malak for some reason.
Lol reasons are
1. He is a major rip off from vader( i think its pretty obvious)
2. He is brainless, preferring to bomb the whole taris rather than do what revan would do
3.The crew made him look like a darth vader wannabe
4. He is as ugly as hell( his outfit)
5. They even tried to make his voice something like vaders, all muffled up and so called "chilling"

Thats just me 😉

And who cares weather malak is at his prime or not, thats only on the SF and who knows? You said it, the battle could go either way, maybe even anakin could use the star forge to power himself us, Its a tool which any powerful sith lord can use to his advantage, not just malak alone. Thats my opinion.

Anyways see you next week, cant stay on weekdays

there's just as much PT fanboyism as there is KOTOR fanboyism, so I think you're not exactly one to judge.

Are you calling me a fanboy of the PT? Sorry but i hate the PT pretty much, and the kotor fanboyism is much worse than there is for the PT. Isnt it obvious? ZomG!!! bastila being nearly as powerful as sidious, wtf is that seriously...

Btw sexy, its obvious and all i did was point it out

Originally posted by Kadesh
Are you calling me a fanboy of the PT? Sorry but i hate the PT pretty much, and the kotor fanboyism is much worse than there is for the PT. Isnt it obvious? ZomG!!! bastila being nearly as powerful as sidious, wtf is that seriously...

Btw sexy, its obvious and all i did was point it out

No, I'm saying there is fanboyism in all shapes and sizes on this forum, and pointing it out would not only be stating the obvious, but it would also be hypocritical considering we are all "fanboys" of a character/characters.

I'm not a fanboy. 😐

Spoiler:
I just find Bane sexy!

yea, ok there Nebaris. An idiotic Bane fanboy.

Ok, in this Luke would not stand a chance, no matter what you say, he would be ripped apart pretty fast. Then, well, i guess it would be a tough fight but i think malak can win since he was a damn good duelist and his powers seem bigger then anakin's ones.

How would Malak even stand a chance? Anakin by himself made quick work of a stronger and smarter opponent, Dooku. Luke isn't needed here.

A pissed off Luke would make quick work of him, too. Look at what happened to Vader.

Malak w/out the Star Forge would beat ROTJ Luke one on one but sloe to ROTS Anakin one on one. Star Forge pwoered Malak would likely take down either of them, but together they could take him.

Actually, power up or not, malak still losea to anakin

Originally posted by jollyjim311
How would Malak even stand a chance? Anakin by himself made quick work of a stronger and smarter opponent, Dooku. Luke isn't needed here.

A pissed off Luke would make quick work of him, too. Look at what happened to Vader.


Sorry! Luke's fight against Vader cannot work in case of Malak.

Vader was Luke's father and his purpose was to turn Luke to dark side and he was not fighting at his best or else Luke would be dead.

Malak will have no such feelings for Luke and will easily defeat him.

Anakin will give a tough fight though.

Dooku in only theory is stronger then Malak. Malak has shown us more Force moves and he can instantly stun his opponents. Dooku cannot do this and relies on over-powering his opponents with Telekinesis, which did not worked against Anakin.

We don't know that Anakin can counter powers like "Stasis Field" and "Force Whirlwind" and I doubt that he had such impressive defensive abilities in ROTS. Anakin has chance in winning in a pure saber fight but if Malak resorts to Force then Anakin is also done with.

A short analysis:

Anakin > Malak in Saber Fight by a small margin.
Anakin < Malak in Force.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Actually, power up or not, malak still losea to anakin

No!

SF powered Malak was described as "nearly unstoppable" in his official databank. Anakin will loose to such a powerful enemy because Malak heavily resorts to Force attacks and even uses his Drain powers, so Anakin will be having very tough time and will fall.

Revan's case is different because he was Malak's Sith mentor and he understood Malak very well and even knew his weaknesses.

Anakin does not have this advantage.

Again, this only happens on the star forge, and the "nearly unstoppable" 1) could be a hyperbole
2) It wasnt his powers which made him "unstoppable", It was his constant draining of the jedi in statis tanks,
3) Anakin would wtf pwn malak in saber combat, anakins mastery of djem so is incredible.
4) Powered up malak is only on the star forge and you assume this is on the SF, well sadly its not.

5.) And what makes malak so deadly on the SF? His lightning can be blocked, His drain is not an insta kill and he doesnt demonstrate any other dark side powers other than these i have mentioned.

SF malak is seriously another overrated character, Zomg! he can beat vader! he can beat sidious! he can beat almost any1 in the damm star wars universe, seriously this is bull shit.

And lightsaber? We dont even know malaks lightsaber form and from what i know, according to dorak, revans saber skills >> malaks by a damm large margin, And anakin will definately wipe malaks ass in saber combat, dont even go there

Father and son will kill Darth Malak. Pure and simple.

Lmao. LeGenD is hilarious.

Luke, as of ROTJ, is actually very good. The novel goes into some additional detail.

"Vader was impressed with Luke's speed. Pleased, even. It was a pity, almost, he couldn't let the boy kill the Emperor yet. Luke wasn't ready for that, emotionally."
"It was in his hands, now, he knew it was: he could take Vader. Take his blade, take his life. Take his place at the Emperor's side. Yes, even that. Luke didn't bury the thought, this time; he gloried in it. He engorged himself with its juices, felt its power tingle his cheeks. It made him feverish, this thought, with lust so overpowering as to totally obliterate all other considerations. He had the power; the choice was his. And then another thought emerged, slowly compulsive as an ardent lover: he could destroy the Emperor, too. Destroy them both, and rule the galaxy. Avenge and conquer. It was a profound moment for Luke. Dizzying. Yet he did not swoon. Nor did he recoil. He took one step forward. For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge. "
"He must teach this boy a lesson he would never forget, or die learning."
"He rushed to his father with a frenzy he'd never known. Nor had Vader. The gladiators battled fiercely, sparks flying from the clash of their radiant weapons, but it was soon evident that the advantage was all Luke's."

So, according to both Vader and Luke, he had the ability to beat the Emperor (these may not be completely accurate, seeing as how they are not from a narrator, but, they do speak a lot for Lukes power). Also, Vader wasn't going easy on Luke, "he wanted revenge". We know Vaders power, we know he's a beast. Luke beating him isn't a black mark against Vader, it's a showing of just how powerful Luke had become. He was trained to become very powerful, very fast, by Yoda. It was desperate, but, it worked.

"Your hate has made you powerful!" -Emperor.
"The young Jedi was at once confounded and in agony -he'd never heard of such a power, such a corruption of the Force, let alone experienced it. But if it was Force-generated, it could be Force-repelled. Luke raised his arms to deflect the bolts. Initially, he was successful - the lightning rebounded from his touch, harmlessly into the walls."
Luke, using only his hands, could deflect Palpatenes lightning briefly which, according to the Ultimate Visual Guide (Page 21) "is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts," and , seeing as how this is ROTJ Palpatine's lightning, deflecting it for any amount of time is impressive.

Also:
"He wielded it now as if it were fused to his hand; as if it were an extension of his own arm." -In reference to Luke using his lightsaber.

Luke is able to show his skills with the force in ROTJ when he effortlessly subdues two guards and when he performs a mind trick.
Luke shows us two great fights against Vader.
Luke takes out around 20ish mercenaries on Jabba's sail barge.
Vader comments that Lukes "Skills are complete" in ROTJ.
Luke has Luke doing things like inspire awe with his speed, kicked thugs off swoop bikes while deflecting fire behind his back, used mind tricks, and has shown Vader that his power is now incredible (all in SOTE).
He also lifted up C-3P0 and moved him around for an extended period of time, with no hand gestures or signs of strain.

Blah.. I'll type more on this later...

Anakin against Malak would be a good fight. I would give the saber abilities to Anakin, but the force abilities would definitely go to Malak. However it's 2 against 1, and it's both Skywalkers, so they win.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Luke, as of ROTJ, is actually very good. The novel goes into some additional detail.

"Vader was impressed with Luke's speed. Pleased, even. It was a pity, almost, he couldn't let the boy kill the Emperor yet. Luke wasn't ready for that, emotionally."
"It was in his hands, now, he knew it was: he could take Vader. Take his blade, take his life. Take his place at the Emperor's side. Yes, even that. Luke didn't bury the thought, this time; he gloried in it. He engorged himself with its juices, felt its power tingle his cheeks. It made him feverish, this thought, with lust so overpowering as to totally obliterate all other considerations. He had the power; the choice was his. And then another thought emerged, slowly compulsive as an ardent lover: he could destroy the Emperor, too. Destroy them both, and rule the galaxy. Avenge and conquer. It was a profound moment for Luke. Dizzying. Yet he did not swoon. Nor did he recoil. He took one step forward. For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge. "
"He must teach this boy a lesson he would never forget, or die learning."
"He rushed to his father with a frenzy he'd never known. Nor had Vader. The gladiators battled fiercely, sparks flying from the clash of their radiant weapons, but it was soon evident that the advantage was all Luke's."

So, according to both Vader and Luke, he had the ability to beat the Emperor (these may not be completely accurate, seeing as how they are not from a narrator, but, they do speak a lot for Lukes power). Also, Vader wasn't going easy on Luke, "he wanted revenge". We know Vaders power, we know he's a beast. Luke beating him isn't a black mark against Vader, it's a showing of just how powerful Luke had become. He was trained to become very powerful, very fast, by Yoda. It was desperate, but, it worked.

"Your hate has made you powerful!" -Emperor.
"The young Jedi was at once confounded and in agony -he'd never heard of such a power, such a corruption of the Force, let alone experienced it. But if it was Force-generated, it could be Force-repelled. Luke raised his arms to deflect the bolts. Initially, he was successful - the lightning rebounded from his touch, harmlessly into the walls."
Luke, using only his hands, could deflect Palpatenes lightning briefly which, according to the Ultimate Visual Guide (Page 21) "is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts," and , seeing as how this is ROTJ Palpatine's lightning, deflecting it for any amount of time is impressive.

Also:
"He wielded it now as if it were fused to his hand; as if it were an extension of his own arm." -In reference to Luke using his lightsaber.

Luke is able to show his skills with the force in ROTJ when he effortlessly subdues two guards and when he performs a mind trick.
Luke shows us two great fights against Vader.
Luke takes out around 20ish mercenaries on Jabba's sail barge.
Vader comments that Lukes "Skills are complete" in ROTJ.
Luke has Luke doing things like inspire awe with his speed, kicked thugs off swoop bikes while deflecting fire behind his back, used mind tricks, and has shown Vader that his power is now incredible (all in SOTE).
He also lifted up C-3P0 and moved him around for an extended period of time, with no hand gestures or signs of strain.

Blah.. I'll type more on this later...

Nice post, though much of that stuff from the novel seems to contradict the movie.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No!

SF powered Malak was described as "nearly unstoppable" in his official databank. Anakin will loose to such a powerful enemy because Malak heavily resorts to Force attacks and even uses his Drain powers, so Anakin will be having very tough time and will fall.

Revan's case is different because he was Malak's Sith mentor and he understood Malak very well and even knew his weaknesses.

Anakin does not have this advantage.

Those new fangled tanks the Allies had in WWI were described as unstoppable at the Battle of Amiens.

And everybody knows those exact same types of tanks would be unstoppable nowadays, even a nuclear warhead would only scratch them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Malak w/out the Star Forge would beat ROTJ Luke one on one but sloe to ROTS Anakin one on one. Star Forge pwoered Malak would likely take down either of them, but together they could take him.

Your not comparin OT Vader to MAlak are ya He's not that weak. For all of ya Revan fanboys out their when Malak was on the Levaiathan He was stronger than Revan as a Dark lord or at least near his Level. Now back on topic Malak practices a form similar to Makashi. Now Revan 3/4 ths ways through his Journey, and Bastila got Owned by Malak. Also Malak bested one of the greatest and most skilled Jedi masters of that time...Kavar. Now Malak could just kill a calm Anakin before he gets all pissed then Luke would go into a rageful fit and get blasted by some good ole force lightning starwars