Originally posted by mace=badass
You guys say Luke has bad form because he beat on Vader like his lightsaber was a baseball bat, and how hw has no skill for it. Well, how much skill CW Anakin had for doing the same to Asajj.
He does not. But you have to also realize that Anakin may have been 80% of Sideous's power, but the guy had been through alot. he got almost every part of his body choped off. Not just his limbs if i remember right. He was getting old. and weaker.
And he threw the fight.
Erm, did you see how Luke fought Vader? He only won because of his rage. He had no solid fighting stance, and was just swinging his saber like a madman.
Vader get beat by Dooku? No.
Yes, Dooku would tool Vader while eating breakfast and reading a newspaper.
He's 80% of Sidious in the OT.
In terms of force powers, not lightsaber skills.
Yeah, your right, Vader let Luke cut off his arm! roll eyes (sarcastic)
Did Maul "let" Obi-Wan cut his saber in half, chase him around like a little *****, and cut him in half? I guess not, so it's fair to assume Obi-Wan> Maul, right?
And it's also funny how Vader was able to lift up a full grown man well off his feet and suddenly not have the energy to even counter a lightsaber strike. Hmm.....
Luke's "poor" fighting stance proved efficient enough to beat someone who is 80% of the Emperor in strength and to destroy all of Jabba's guards.
And Anakin's contributions on Geonosis were far more impressive than Luke's. Anakin faced a f*cking army of thousands of battle droids with other Jedi, while Luke faced guards armed with sticks and spears for the most part. And also, as I ahve said before, Vader is 80% of Sidious's force powers, not lightsaber skills. So to say that Luke is more than 80% of Vader's force powers because he defeated Vader in a lightsaber duel is unfounded. Obi-Wan got pwned by Dooku with the force in under twenty seconds, does that mean he will go down that quickly in a lightsaber duel? No.
Originally posted by mace=badass
Vader would beat Dooku. Don't ask me for proof because you're giving me none.Besides, first you're giving so much credit to Vader, then you're taking it all away from him, it makes no sense.
Want proof that Dooku > Vader? No problemo.
OT Vader is weaker than ROTS Anakin (GL sourced fact), and Ushgarak also told me that Old Ben being weaker than General Kenobi and All PT Era combatants being better than the OT Era ones are all GL sourced facts (you can PM him for more info or you could ask me to do so for you, I will be more than glad to do so). So Vader had to wait for Old Ben to lose on purpose in order to finally strike him down, where exactly was Vader's advantage in that fight? I saw none. While Dooku managed to hold his own against Obi-Wan AND Anakin at the same time. He just polished off Obi-Wan like Obi-Wan was a minor distraction.
OK, you're turn.
Erm, not really, Mace.
Dooku would WTFpwn Vader, AotC Anakin would WTF pwn Luke, and that's that. If you want proof...
Dooku > Vader: Dooku was powerful enough to stand up to Yoda. He probably gets even stronger in between AotC and RotS, and that's damn powerful. Vader's OK, but he wouldn't stand up to the power of Dooku.
Anakin > Luke: Like I've said countless times, Luke has no stable stance, he swings like a madman, and is barely at the apprentice level; he had almost no training. Anakin had at least aquired a stable form, swings fairly elegantly, and has quite some training, because he'd become a knight... I believe two years later?
Originally posted by mace=badass
Like it's been said here many a time, you can't judge....A beat B, B beat C, so obviously A beats C. Which is what you just did.
Also, where did you get that source where it says OT Vader is worse then RotS Anakin, because I don't believe that for a second.
So if A school bully beat the crap out of some ordinary guy, does it mean he will probably lose to a five year old school girl?
That theory isn't necessarily right for closely matched combatants, but power difference this much?
And watch the ESB or ROTJ DVD commentary, near the end, Lucas describles that Vader's power level is only "a shell of his former self".
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Want proof that Dooku > Vader? No problemo.
It seems to be a problem for you as your post is worthless.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
If Luke were in that battle he would have died.
Unfounded BS. Prove up or shut up.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
OT Vader is weaker than ROTS Anakin (GL sourced fact),
This is a lie. GL stated that Vader had less potential then Anakin, not that he was weaker. Vader's 20 years of access to Darth Bane's personal holocrons gives him more knowledge then Dooku on Ancient Sith knowledge. That, along with his full access to the Temple Archives for 20 years gives him more knowledge of Jedi teachings then ROTS Anakin(making you even more plainly a liar) and gives him knowledge on par with Windu.
Source: RoDV
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
and Ushgarak also told me that Old Ben being weaker than General Kenobi
Ush is a moderator, not a SW authority. His word on SW fights is no more important then any other persons. Find actual proof and provide it, with sources, or stfu.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
and All PT Era combatants being better than the OT Era ones are all GL sourced facts (you can PM him for more info or you could ask me to do so for you, I will be more than glad to do so).
I suggest you provide the info right here in this thread for all to see. That and the source for your quotes.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
So Vader had to wait for Old Ben to lose on purpose in order to finally strike him down, where exactly was Vader's advantage in that fight? I saw none.
Ben let himself be killed, but he wasn't able to defeat Vader either, nor gain any advantage over Vader. You prove nothing.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
While Dooku managed to hold his own against Obi-Wan AND Anakin at the same time. He just polished off Obi-Wan like Obi-Wan was a minor distraction.
Yes, Dooku is a beast and will probably win, but that doesn't mean he is going to WTFpwn OT Vader, who has more experince, more training, better access to knowledge, ect then either ROTS Obi-wan or Anakin.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
OK, you're turn.
Sorry, please try again.