Glentract, did you not get it? 18 goons who can't barely shoot and don't kill any of the good guys, versus hundreds of precision firing battle droids firing from all positions with minimal cover? WTF... Does Luke killing eighteen goons mean he's better than Anakin? Grasping for straws much?
Well Glentract, considering there were thousands of battle droids in the arena, and the fight was about ten minutes long (estimate, correct me if I'm wrong), it's safe to assume Anakin killed over 18. But let me watch the scene.
Erm... He didn't defeat Boba Fett, Han Solo shot him in the jetpack. Which reminds me, he had Han's help, Chewy's help, and Lando's help.
That's not to say there weren't many others who were killed when the ship exploded but had been firing on Luke. We also see Luke deflect blaster fire mutiple times.
Chewie, Han, and Lando together kill 1 guy. That's it. 1 guy total. Lando is dangling from the side of the sail barge 23 seconds into the fight and Han and Chewie spend the rest of the time trying to get him back up without getting shot.
Just how many droids were actually targeting AOTC Anakin? And it seems that all of you are forgetting that Anakin, with the help of 200 other Jedi were losing until the clones showed up, but Luke won without any reinforcements. Janus, nice statement on Anakin having minimal cover, but you are forgetting that Anakin did have cover for a large amount of the fight in the side of that sled. Luke had zero cover for the entire time and had to watch blaster fire from mutiple directions, including a heavy turret on Jabba's ship.
Originally posted by Wesker
The fact that I can't stand how you debate and I get sick and tired of you being a fanboy proves I'm wrong? How does THAT work, Glentract? Shouldn't you be jerking off to ROTJ's finale or something? Please. You bore me. Piss off.
More pathetic excuses for not being able to prove you opinion? If you ever decide to fail at proving Luke weak again I'll be happy to continue.
Unfounded BS. Prove up or shut up.
Okay, Luke was fighting on the sail barge. He was facing blaster shots one at a time, and he nearly lost his fake hand to one. There were much less blaster wielders on the sail barge then on Geonosis. Now, if a goon wielding a blaster was able to get a hit on him, what makes you think a battle droid invented for fighting couldn't do the same?
Ush is a moderator, not a SW authority. His word on SW fights is no more important then any other persons. Find actual proof and provide it, with sources, or stfu.
Gosh Glentract, calm down, it's only a f*cking debate okay? I will ask him for it. I will PM him right now.
Source: RoDV
RoDV?
Ben let himself be killed, but he wasn't able to defeat Vader either, nor gain any advantage over Vader. You prove nothing.
I have proven that if Vader was so much better then Ben, he wouldn't need to wait for Ben to give up.
Yes, Dooku is a beast and will probably win, but that doesn't mean he is going to WTFpwn OT Vader, who has more experince, more training, better access to knowledge, ect then either ROTS Obi-wan or Anakin.
Can you give me sources for all this?
Okay Glentract, Ush is online, so it shouldn't take him long to reply to my PM. Just calm down man, I don't wish you ill will or anything, I just wanna debate OK? No hard feelings man
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Okay, Luke was fighting on the sail barge. He was facing blaster shots one at a time, and he nearly lost his fake hand to one. There were much less blaster wielders on the sail barge then on Geonosis. Now, if a goon wielding a blaster was able to get a hit on him, what makes you think a battle droid invented for fighting couldn't do the same?
Nearly lost his fake hand to one? It was still working fine and we saw only minor surface damage.
The fact that droids were only able to defeat the primitive Gungans because of superior numbers makes me look poorly on them.
Again, you miss the point that although there were more people shooting at Geonosis, there was more people to shoot at also. For while the Jedi were winning there was a about a fourth as many people shooting at Anakin as there was at Luke.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Gosh Glentract, calm down, it's only a f*cking debate okay? I will ask him for it. I will PM him right now.
Sorry, but it is really annoying to hear more things without sources.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
RoDV?
The Rise of Darth Vader.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
I have proven that if Vader was so much better then Ben, he wouldn't need to wait for Ben to give up.
No, you haven't proven that, so don;t act like you did. Obi-wan's style is supposed to draw fights out, so just because Vader didn't defeat him in 10 seconds doesn't mean he was not superior to him.
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Can you give me sources for all this?
RoDV.
Destroying Jabba's guards is not an impressive feat! mad They were just a bunch of goons!
In terms of force powers, not lightsaber skills.
Did Maul "let" Obi-Wan cut his saber in half, chase him around like a little *****, and cut him in half? I guess not, so it's fair to assume Obi-Wan> Maul, right?
List of Luke fanboys:- Glentract
- mace=badass
- darthsith19.
Erm... He didn't defeat Boba Fett
18 goons who can't barely shoot and don't kill any of the good guys, versus hundreds of precision firing battle droids firing from all positions with minimal cover?
Bye, bye, Janus!
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
OK Glentract, I have provided one quote from GL"Let's face it. Vader is more machine than man and a shell of his former self. [B]ROTS is when you'll see Anakin in his prime
."GL, ROTJ DVD Commentary. Happy? Waiting for the next two. [/B]
I remember hearing somewhere that Palaptine always wanted an apprentice that was twice as strong as he was. He nearly got that when he got Vader but then Vader got injured. Then he wanted it again when a stronger apprentice, Luke, came. Tell me, why would he want Luke if Vader were stronger?
Lucas says in the ROTJ AC that Sidious is trying to get Luke to kill his father. Trying to get Luke to kill him, not testing Luke to see if he can kill him. Palpatine already knows that Luke can kill him if he wants to. Lucas says Palpatine's trying to get a new, better apprentice, which is Luke.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He probably thought that Luke had the potential to get stronger. Why Vader would let himself be killed is the part that doesn't make any sense though. The only logical thing is to believe that Vader really was overpowered.
Originally posted by tdtd
Backtrack here, when did we ever see Maul beating Obi Wan? Obiwan was more than holding his own with 1 saber against a dual lightsaber, and then broke the duel lightsaber, had Maul backed up and Maul used a force push... Where in this do you see Maul beating Obi Wan in a lightsaber battle?
During the entire time that Qui-gon was still fighting.