Originally posted by tdtd
Who said anything about hating Luke? I simply said that in a lightsaber battle, Maul had to use the FORCE to subdue Obi Wan temporarily, as he was getting pwned in LIGHTSABER COMBAT
He got the upperhand for a short time, but who is to say that Maul wouldn't have started pwning Obi-wan again eve if he hadn't decided to use the force. Who cares anyway? It's not like what happens if we impose certain restrictions on characters makes any difference to anything.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He got the upperhand for a short time, but who is to say that Maul wouldn't have started pwning Obi-wan again eve if he hadn't decided to use the force. Who cares anyway? It's not like what happens if we impose certain restrictions on characters makes any difference to anything.
Who is to say that Maul wouldn't have started winning? Hmm well the movie for starters lol. I'm sure in an alternate reality Maul whooped up on him but as you can clearly see, Maul was getting pwned when Obi Wan got mad, so you can't say "who's to say" when you know what clearly happened.
Just in case you didn't see it Glentract, here's the proof that ROTS Anakin > OT Vader. Taken straight from GL's mouth in the ROTJ DVD commentary:
"Let's face it. Vader is more machine than man and a shell of his former self. ROTS is when you'll see Anakin in his prime."
Happy now? Waiting for the next few quotes.
Who is to say that Maul wouldn't have started winning? Hmm well the movie for starters lol. I'm sure in an alternate reality Maul whooped up on him but as you can clearly see, Maul was getting pwned when Obi Wan got mad, so you can't say "who's to say" when you know what clearly happened.
You missed the part where I said it doesn't matter anyway.
Just in case you didn't see it Glentract, here's the proof that ROTS Anakin > OT Vader. Taken straight from GL's mouth in the ROTJ DVD commentary:
"Let's face it. Vader is more machine than man and a shell of his former self. ROTS is when you'll see Anakin in his prime."
Happy now? Waiting for the next few quotes.
Because GL is so consistent all of the time, right? In anycase, that also has nothing to do with Luke being more powerful then AOTC Anakin.
Nearly lost his fake hand to one? It was still working fine and we saw only minor surface damage.
It shows that he is quite vulnerable to getting injured by a blaster wielding opponent. I never saw Anakin getting shot in the hand.
The fact that droids were only able to defeat the primitive Gungans because of superior numbers makes me look poorly on them.
They defeated the Gungans because of superior numbers? Sorry Glentract, but did you watch TPM? The driods were kicking the snot out of the Gungans until Anakin destroyed the droid starship.
Again, you miss the point that although there were more people shooting at Geonosis, there was more people to shoot at also. For while the Jedi were winning there was a about a fourth as many people shooting at Anakin as there was at Luke.
There were thousands of droids in the arena. Including the new superbattle droids. Deadly droids built for battling. And you miss the point that out of the people Luke killed, half of them were armed with sticks and spears, which render helpless against a lightsaber wielding opponent.
Sorry, but it is really annoying to hear more things without sources.
It's all right. The proof is coming. Ush'll reply to my message. And if you don't believe me, you can ask Ush himself. Ush is probably the most GL biding member there is here. If I were really lying, I wouldn't even be telling you who I got the info from.
The Rise of Darth Vader.
Thanks for telling me. When did these events take place?
No, you haven't proven that, so don;t act like you did. Obi-wan's style is supposed to draw fights out, so just because Vader didn't defeat him in 10 seconds doesn't mean he was not superior to him.
And after about twenty years of just doing nothing, Obi-Wan is still gonna retain all of his lightsaber skills? Assuming Ush's quote is correct, ANH Obi-Wan is weaker than ROTS Obi-Wan. Just look at how easily Dooku polished off Obi-Wan in ROTS. If Vader were really as powerful as you deem him to be, Obi-Wan would have been pwned.
Not any old goons, but the goons of one of the biggest criminals in the galaxy.
Did you see how unprofessional they were though? Most of them were armed with sticks and spears, and one of the few people who were armed with blasters managed to shoot Luke in the hand. Anakin faced many battle droids in the arena, and he didn't get wounded by a blaster shot.
Lucas didn't say Force powers. The 80% is overall.
Interesting, when I google search "Vader is 80% of Sidious", it all says "force powers".
There's a difference though. Maul was beating Obi-Wan for 99% of the duel. Vader was never beating Luke.
What? Obi-Wan was kicking Maul's ass in their 1 on 1 duel.
I don't know anyone here who is a Luke fanboy. I see a few who don't underestimate Luke just because of his baseball stance, though.
The movies clearly portray Luke to swing his lightsaber like a baseball bat, and since GL never even bothered to remake the duels, or never even said that the choreographies was a factor in their duels, what is the proof behind Luke being a uberleet swordsman, if the movies and GL, the two highest sources of cannon, apparently say "no"?
So destroying Boba's weapon followed by Boba falling over isn't a sign of him getting pwnd?
um...Han was the one who killed Boba. Or are you talking about a different part?
when did we ever see Maul beating Obi Wan?
I never saw Obi-Wan winning, either. I saw him and Maul being even for a short period of time.
And of course you can use the Force in a duel, why couldn't you, the Force is used in nearly every duel.
Movies or GL, which is more canon? Hmm... confused1
Here's a question, you all claim that Malak (and Revan) are powerful saber duelist and powerful in the Force and yet the most we saw Malak do was like enable two people from fighting at the most. We clearly have no idea of his saber skills (considering all we seen him in was as boss fights) so why are you saying Malak would win?
I see nothing real powerful with Malak (and Revan with that matter). Sidious proved to be stronger then those two. We saw Revan enable like one person at a time maybe more but Sidious was throwing giant pods around like they were feathers. You saw the KoToR Jedi are better then the PT Jedi and yet their is no proof. I fail to see how you are saying that Malak is better then RotS Anakin or RotJ Luke for that matter. I have just finished replaying KoToR I again and I have noticed that Revan nor Malak have done anything that Sidious hadn't outclassed in RotS.
Did you see how unprofessional they were though?
Most of them were armed with sticks and spears
Most of them were armed with sticks and spears
Interesting, when I google search "Vader is 80% of Sidious", it all says "force powers".
so yeah, the first one says it's with the Force. It's also titled "Darth Vader: retarted?" All the other ones say 80% as powerful.
The movies clearly portray Luke to swing his lightsaber like a baseball bat, and since GL never even bothered to remake the duels, or never even said that the choreographies was a factor in their duels, what is the proof behind Luke being a uberleet swordsman, if the movies and GL, the two highest sources of cannon, apparently say "no"?GL didn't say no, he said Vader's 80% of Sidious and then had Luke kick Vader's ass. And seriously, do you really want lucas to remake the duels, cause I don't think very many people do.
um...Han was the one who killed Boba. Or are you talking about a different part?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
GL is not the ultimate level of canon. The movies are that.
Concerning the movies, GL is the highest canon, Glentract.
G-canon is absolute canon; the movies and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon (see below).
When the matter of changes between movie versions is brought up, the remastered editions are deemed superior to the theatrical ones, since they correct mistakes and 'improve' consistency between the two trilogies. They also express Lucas' "original" intention and also final word
You attempting to overrule Gl concerning the movies is moot. Nice try, fanboy.