Anakin and Luke Skywalker(ROTS&ROTJ) Vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Here's a question. Why would Malak win? All we have seen of his saber skill is what was in the game which really doesn't show us much. He never shown powers that are really impressive. He seems to be overrated a lot (along with Revan). I want someone to prove me that Malak is this great warrior. After replaying KoToR I it seems that Luke(RotJ) and Anakin(RotS) could take him.

Why?

Because Malak was a lightsaber prodigy, he was a fierce fighter that has been credited with turning the tide of an entire war, that is of course bullshit Revan his tactics were more important but it does say something about how he fights. He defeated everybody he ever fought except for 1 person twice. He defeated the greatest lightsaber using Jedi of his era in a fight. Was the Dark Lord of the Sith over thousands and that wasn't because he was such a nice guy, he was a Lightsaber master of incredible strength and has far more experience in two huge ass wars where front line fighting was common then Luke and Anakin have combined.

He had enough power with the force to control the Star Forge, the same Star Forge that ate other Sith when they tried to control it. Literally ate them because they weren't powerful enough. according to the disciple that includes a Jedi Master who used to be on the Jedi Council. When Revan first see's Malak on the Star Forge, Malak is choking two Jedi. Choking attacks can easily be stopped by Jedi, as they have done in many occasions, unless its done by somebody far more powerful probably. He then turns around shoots lightning at one of them and throws his lightsaber at the other easily killing both. Thats already a greater display of force powers then Anakin and Luke have shown combined. Malak could likely just choke the two of them.

Honestly how could mister "I Swing my lightsaber like a basebal bat" and Anakin "i'm the chuz3n 1 Skywalker" stand up to that?

To tell you the truth, I have asked Ush about the PT fighters > OT fighters thing way back in August, and I thought I had deleted the message, but here it is.

Ushgarak wrote on Aug 21st, 2005 07:31 AM:
He gave an interview shortly before TPM was released, whilst PRing up the QGJ/Kenobi/Maul duel, that in the OT, all we ever saw fight was a half-trained boy, a faded old man, and a half-cyborg cripple- and so that, in comparison, the PT would show us the golden age of proper sabre fighting.

P.S. If you don't believe me, be more than welcome to ask him via PM.

Nicely done, Nemesis.

Originally posted by Faroth
He meant that Luke wasn't holding back...

Again; work on your reading comprehension.

Originally posted by Faunus
Again; work on your reading comprehension.

🙄

You were insulted the very moment you said the RotJ Luke was very skilled.

I suggest darthsith19 get him some spellcheck.

Originally posted by Faroth
You were insulted the very moment you said the RotJ Luke was very skilled.

Abraham Lincoln agrees with you

"'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." - Lincoln

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You calling me a fool?

I KEEL YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Faroth
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You calling me a fool?

I KEEL YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rofl

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Hey!

OMG! Insulted again! You guys must really be on a winning streak!

Well, it sure beats your losing streak, ds.

Really? Insulting beats losing? How sad. Only an evil bastard would say that.

Oh shit. You've found me out.

Originally posted by Wesker
They were effective enough. While not as flashy, the fighting was still effective. However, it was still very basic. Arguing that the choreography is outdated, therefore Luke is actually much better is arguing from ignorance. You cannot know how Luke would fight with better choreography unless the scenes were refilmed and retconned. Since the movies are the top of the line canon, arguing that they are defective or not up to par is undermining the very idea of SW canon and making your argument defunct. So when you say that Luke did X in the movies or books of the OT period, but he was much better than we see him as in ROTJ, you are putting down a superior piece of evidence to raise another up just to prove your point. You can't be selective like that. Special effects aside, the duelling was there and is movie canon. Ergo, you cannot discredit it because you feel it's inferior.

Luke in the OT is a relative amateur with the lightsaber. AOTC Anakin would tool the shit out of him, as would TPM Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn. Hell, even Kit Fisto would beat him. People need to accept this and move on.

You're wrong. It IS the choreography that is the problem here. the actors back then simply where not capable of producting the frntic lightsable battles seen in the newer films, nor did Lucas have the ambition to create them. By your logic, Anakin (ROTS) would tool Mace (ROTS) because his portrayer is better with a kendo stick than Sam Jackson. I don't "feel" the film is inferior, it IS inferior (special effects wise) and anyone with a brain can see that. Luke was trained by Yoda & Obi-Wan, became a Jedi Knight and beat Vader fair and square. It's funny how you promote the films as canon while ignoring everything that happened in them.

Luke doesn't suck and is probably on par with AOTC Anikan or slightly above. If the movies where refilmed, the light sabers battles would all be more energetic and sophisticated.

Originally posted by Fozzyfan116
You're wrong.

No, I'm not.

It IS the choreography that is the problem here.

No, it isn't. I already stated that the choreography was serviceable. It was simply basic, and Luke had no training whatsoever. Likewise, the jedi of the PT era practiced from single digit ages (As we see in AOTC) to perfect their lightsaber ability. You coming in here (Among others) and telling me that Luke "I've never seen nor heard of the force nor used melee weapons until I was 18+ years in ANH" is suddenly better than full grown and trained jedi knights? That is bullshit, choreography aside. Don't argue that kind of nonsense.

the actors back then simply where not capable of producting the frntic lightsable battles seen in the newer films, nor did Lucas have the ambition to create them.

And again you think that "frantic" was the key point I was seizing on; it's isn't. Precision; control, defense, and speed. The PT jedi demonstrated these things on screen. Luke, by contrast, shows nowhere near as well of saber control. Qui Gon and TPM padawan Obi-Wan can deflect dozens of shots in TPM; padawan Anakin (In AOTC) was able to do likewise in the battle arena at Geonosis and at least put on a good show for the masterful count Dooku. Luke couldn't replicate any of those feats. Hell, on the sail barge where maybe three guys had guns, he got shot.

By your logic, Anakin (ROTS) would tool Mace (ROTS) because his portrayer is better with a kendo stick than Sam Jackson.

This makes no sense and certainly doesn't reflect my logic. Try again.

I don't "feel" the film is inferior, it IS inferior (special effects wise) and anyone with a brain can see that.

Really? Aside from the point that you've provided nothing more than your vaunted opinion, you seem to be missing the point that special effects don't effect swordplay. They were swordfighting in Conan the Destroyer on a similar level to swordplay now (Go watch it... ). This is the same movie that has not one, but two clearly rubber monsters who wrestle with Conan. ANH, the lightsabers were cheap and couldn't be used much. For ESB and ROTJ, that's not the case. I have an SW Insider sitting beside my desk that shows how they're made. They CAN handle fighting, and special effects has NOTHING to do with it. So prove up or shut up.

Luke was trained by Yoda & Obi-Wan, became a Jedi Knight and beat Vader fair and square. It's funny how you promote the films as canon while ignoring everything that happened in them.

I'm so glad you paid attention to the movies.

At most Luke spent a few hours playing with a remote in ANH. This doesn't beat years of saber to saber practice. Secondly, nowhere in the movie is Luke made or proclaimed to be a "jedi knight" by Yoda or Obi-Wan.

Luke doesn't suck and is probably on par with AOTC Anikan or slightly above. If the movies where refilmed, the light sabers battles would all be more energetic and sophisticated.

Talk about changing parameters. This is your unsupported opinion, and it's a huge subjective "What if" being wedged into a hypothetical movie forum versus match to stack the deck in Luke's favor to appease fanboyism. And it's logically bullshit. By YOUR logic I can say that the special effects in ROTJ are crap and Jabba the Hutt was super fast and agile.

See how stupid that is? And no evidence, too. Just like your case.

So do me a favor... don't argue bias.

Exactly what Wesker said.. BTW Wesker, where DO you get these lightsabers that you can actually duel with? The FX ones and the ones on buystarwarsstuff.com you can't fight with..

Technically, you can't. At least, you can't make them light up and still be stable enough to thwack at each other with. They used basic rods and added effects for the OT. For the PT they had plastic colored rods.