Ozymandias vs Captain America

Originally posted by Silent Master
I wasn't the only one to mention the bleeding, at this point you are the only one that "can't" see it, that and you keep ignoring that most of the blasts were shown missing the Hulk, so you have zero proof to back up the claim that he tanked hundreds of them.

you mentioned the bleeding because of someone else, yet you never saw it yourself. Because it doesn't exist. If it does then clearly post a pic of it or describe the exact scene where it occurred. I promise to pause it there and blow it up. I have no reason to doubt you if you are telling the truth.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap's effectiveness in combat was superior to anything Ozy displayed. Beating down two chumps whom Cap would literally one shot if so inclined doesn't mean he can beat Cap, unfortunately. Ozy's stats are inferior to Cap, and his skill level isn't sufficient enough to close the gap between himself and Steve.

Especially since Cap has the shield and can tank hits that dent thick steel and laser blasts capable of knocking Iron-man through the air.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Especially since Cap has the shield and can tank hits that dent thick steel and laser blasts capable of knocking Iron-man through the air.

Cap never tanked a hit that can dent steel. Remember the shield was easily penetrated by bullets and was a prop for costume use (for a show). It wasn't designed for true combat and most likely was made of a lighter less durable alloy. Also in the scene where Skull hit him (he didn't touch Cap in the scene of the shield feat) he drew blood from Cap's face with a pimp smack.

Cap didn't tank the blast, he was hurt like hell. Another one would have put him down for good. He needed Thor's help just to get up.
Also the blasts were variable, one barely moved Iron Man.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap's effectiveness in combat was superior to anything Ozy displayed. Beating down two chumps whom Cap would literally one shot if so inclined doesn't mean he can beat Cap, unfortunately. Ozy's stats are inferior to Cap, and his skill level isn't sufficient enough to close the gap between himself and Steve.

Movie Ozy's skill levels are way over Movie Caps.
And the strength distance isn't far enough to guarantee Cap an easy win.

Cap has never fought anybody in film on Ozy's level. Just fodder.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap never tanked a hit that can dent steel. Remember the shield was easily penetrated by bullets and was a prop for costume use (for a show). It wasn't designed for true combat and most likely was made of a lighter less durable alloy. Also in a latter scene Skull drew blood from Cap's face with a pimp smack.

Cap didn't tank the blast, he was hurt like hell. Another one would have put him down for good. He needed Thor's help just to get up.
Also the blasts were variable, one barely moved Iron Man.

Cap took several hits from the Red Skull, who was able to dent thick steel and all the laser blast did was knock the wind out of him as he was fine a few seconds later.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap took several hits from the Red Skull, who was able to dent thick steel and all the laser blast did was knock the wind out of him as he was fine a few seconds later.

Yet the shield wasn't thick steel as

1. you see a bullet penetrated it easily.
2. Was created for a show as a prop

I gave evidence of it not being steel. Now you give evidence that it is steel.

Yet from two hits, one a pimp smack, Skull drew blood from Cap's face easily.

The laser blast gutted him. Look at the scene. Cap is bleeding and it burned through his armor into his flesh very well.

Plus those blasts are variable as proven by me.
In reality that blast was a forum win against Cap.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Movie Ozy's skill levels are way over Movie Caps.
And the strength distance isn't far enough to guarantee Cap an easy win.

Cap has never fought anybody in film on Ozy's level. Just fodder.

Based on what, though? Catching a bullet?

I mean, what do you consider "skill"? Because effectiveness in combat is really all skill is. Being fancy and doing flips and looking flashy doesn't make someone more effective in combat. If you replaced Ozy with Steve, there's no doubt that he would have solo'd Silk Spectre, Rorschach, and Nite-Owl all at the same time. He would have beaten the utter shit out of Comedian in less time.

He fought people with stats higher than Ozy and lasted longer than he would have. The damage he took was beyond anything Ozy dealt with, and if Cap had his shield (too lazy to see if the OP made this hand to hand only or if Cap is armed) this is a borderline spite thread. Nothing Ozy did suggests he'd even phase Loki (who was bullet proof and an incredibly durable SOB).

And the people Cap fought were >>> the people Ozy fought.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct for the most part. Some could understand it at times. Just not all the time.

lol whatever lets you sleep at night.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on what, though? Catching a bullet?

I mean, what do you consider "skill"? Because effectiveness in combat is really all skill is. Being fancy and doing flips and looking flashy doesn't make someone more effective in combat. If you replaced Ozy with Steve, there's no doubt that he would have solo'd Silk Spectre, Rorschach, and Nite-Owl all at the same time. He would have beaten the utter shit out of Comedian in less time.

He fought people with stats higher than Ozy and lasted longer than he would have. The damage he took was beyond anything Ozy dealt with, and if Cap had his shield (too lazy to see if the OP made this hand to hand only or if Cap is armed) this is a borderline spite thread. Nothing Ozy did suggests he'd even phase Loki (who was bullet proof and an incredibly durable SOB).

And the people Cap fought were >>> the people Ozy fought.

Effectiveness against fodder doesn't prove effectiveness against a skilled fighter.
Right? Only real martial artists understand how skilled Ozy was. It was more than fancy moves. He blocked all their attacks effortlessly like they were children, caught a freaking bullet, displayed multiple superhuman feats consistently.

Ozy was toying with Comedian. He was enjoying the battle and enjoying making him suffer. He could have finished him easily. I doubt Cap would have soloed Rorshach and Nite-Owl at the same time as easy as Ozy did it. Those guys, especially Rorshach had superhuman durability and can take some serious pounding.

Again ABC logic is not your friend.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet the shield wasn't thick steel as

1. you see a bullet penetrated it easily.
2. Was created for a show as a prop

I gave evidence of it not being steel. Now you give evidence that it is steel.

Yet from two hits, one a pimp smack, Skull drew blood from Cap's face easily.

The laser blast gutted him. Look at the scene. Cap is bleeding and it burned through his armor into his flesh very well.

Plus those blasts are variable as proven by me.
In reality that blast was a forum win against Cap.

The only bullets that could have gone through it was the anti-aircraft fire from when Cap jumped from Stark's plane, so that is hardly a bad showing for the shield.

The blast did minor surface damage as he was fine afterward and even went out to eat with the other Avengers when the battle was over.

Cap got up after falling face and chest first onto a car after being blasted out of a window, leaving a huge impact behind and literally stood up and was more or less fine. He felt the impact and pain to be sure, but it didn't inhibit his ability to fight for the rest of the film.

He displayed durability beyond anything Ozy ever showed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap got up after falling face and chest first onto a car after being blasted out of a window, leaving a huge impact behind and literally stood up and was more or less fine. He felt the impact and pain to be sure, but it didn't inhibit his ability to fight for the rest of the film.

He displayed durability beyond anything Ozy ever showed.

lol no one's arguing that Cap's durability isn't greater than Ozy or his strength. You are preaching to the choir son. My argument is that Ozy displayed superhuman strength and abilities consistently. yet you keep acting if Cap is fighting someone with mere human stats.

Skill wise and h2h speed wise, Cap might not even touch Ozy. Real talk.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The only bullets that could have gone through it was the anti-aircraft fire from when Cap jumped from Stark's plane, so that is hardly a bad showing for the shield.

The blast did minor surface damage as he was fine afterward and even went out to eat with the other Avengers when the battle was over.

Minor surface damage? It easily ate through his armor and penetrated his skin to at least his muscle tissue. He was in some serious pain as seen on his face as Thor was helping him up. Minor surface damage doesn't make someone like Cap grimace in pain like that.

Oh and I didn't see any anti-aircraft shoot his shield but I'll check again.
But you still didn't provide evidence that it was steel though.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol no one's arguing that Cap's durability isn't greater than Ozy or his strength. You are preaching to the choir son. My argument is that Ozy displayed superhuman strength and abilities consistently. yet you keep acting if Cap is fighting someone with mere human stats.

Skill wise and h2h speed wise, Cap might not even touch Ozy. Real talk.

Are you kidding me?

Rorschach and Nite Owl were still fast enough to force Ozy to block in close quarters. Considering Cap's vastly stronger and faster than either man, there's no way in hell Ozy would be able to block Steve's attacks with that kind of ease or lack of resistance. Nor would he able to launch Steve, again vastly superior to Rory or Nite Owl, to the kind of degree he did to those two...who may as well be jobbers in comparison.

Captain America was tested against way more foes and of higher caliber/threat level than Ozy. And he'd definitely be fast enough to tag Ozy and likely just break through his defenses.

Originally posted by h1a8
Minor surface damage? It easily ate through his armor and penetrated his skin to at least his muscle tissue. He was in some serious pain as seen on his face as Thor was helping him up. Minor surface damage doesn't make someone like Cap grimace in pain like that.

Oh and I didn't see any anti-aircraft shoot his shield but I'll check again.
But you still didn't provide evidence that it was steel though.

Oh please, he didn't require any first aid even went out to eat after the fight, IOW minor damage.

And since you don't see anyone shoot at him with a normal handgun/rifle before the scene that shows the hole, the only time the shield could have gotten the hole was when he jumped out of the plane. or the hole is from the energy weapons.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Are you kidding me?

Rorschach and Nite Owl were still fast enough to force Ozy to block in close quarters. Considering Cap's vastly stronger and faster than either man, there's no way in hell Ozy would be able to block Steve's attacks with that kind of ease or lack of resistance. Nor would he able to launch Steve, again vastly superior to Rory or Nite Owl, to the kind of degree he did to those two...who may as well be jobbers in comparison.

Captain America was tested against way more foes and of higher caliber/threat level than Ozy. And he'd definitely be fast enough to tag Ozy and likely just break through his defenses.

Why not? You must learn MA my friend. Women can easily block much stronger men's attacks. Wing Chun was specifically designed for women. Cap's not vastly stronger than any human. You are quite the exaggerator as I was pointing out the other day. The word Vast implies at least hundreds if not thousands of times larger.

True Ozy won't block Cap as easy as those two but he will still block him well.
And yes he won't be able to launch Steve as easy as he did those two. But he does have superhuman stats (not quite on Cap's level though) and the skill to make this a good fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why not? You must learn MA my friend. Women can easily block much stronger men's attacks. Wing Chun was specifically designed for women. Cap's not vastly stronger than any human. You are quite the exaggerator as I was pointing out the other day. The word Vast implies at least hundreds if not thousands of times larger.

True Ozy won't block Cap as easy as those two but he will still block him well.
And yes he won't be able to launch Steve as easy as he did those two. But he does have superhuman stats (not quite on Cap's level though) and the skill to make this a good fight.

Lol?

Um, no, if the descripancy between physical strength is way too much, even a proper block is going to mess up the defender if the attacker is simply too strong. Cap is vastly stronger than any norman human, yes. Show me a definition of "vast" directly implicating hundreds to thousands of times larger in difference.

Also lol at you calling me the exaggerator. That's awfully ironic.

His skill and his attributes aren't enough to beat Cap or even stalemate him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Oh please, he didn't require any first aid even went out to eat after the fight, IOW minor damage.

And since you don't see anyone shoot at him with a normal handgun/rifle before the scene that shows the hole, the only time the shield could have gotten the hole was when he jumped out of the plane. or the hole is from the energy weapons.

I just looked at the scene where Cap jumped out of the plane. After he landed and sneaked in the truck you see the shield as being perfect (no holes whatsoever) right before he hit the trooper with it. So the hole occurred after he landed. Also no hole where he had it on his back talking to the prisoners in the jail cell.

It had to occur when Cap was fighting those troopers as Skull saw on the camera. The whole fight scene isn't filmed but after the scene Cap has a hole in the shield. Thus it was from hand weapons (not anti-aircraft). With that said, it didn't matter since I gave evidence pointing to it not being steel yet you have given anything showing it is steel. Glad I own both movies, otherwise my arguments would stink like hell lol.

None of them were shown firing a handgun at Cap, that leaves the energy weapons, thus you have no proof that the shield was made of a thin metal, which means the feat stands.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol?

Um, no, if the descripancy between physical strength is way too much, even a proper block is going to mess up the defender if the attacker is simply too strong. Cap is vastly stronger than any norman human, yes. Show me a definition of "vast" directly implicating hundreds to thousands of times larger in difference.

Also lol at you calling me the exaggerator. That's awfully ironic.

His skill and his attributes aren't enough to beat Cap or even stalemate him.

It's called common sense. Vast is used to show a super large amount. No one uses that word otherwise unless they are exaggerating. Superman, Thor, Hulk all having vast superhuman strength is the correct usage of the word. No one in their right mind would say Cap has vast superhuman strength and not be serious or exaggerating.

Yes they are. Anyone with superhuman stats can damage Cap. It just would take Ozy more hits that's all.