Originally posted by h1a8
False, Cap's durability is beyond a normal human to overcome but not a superhuman. Ozy is superhuman by feats, but with the skill and speed to beat movie Cap.
Not even close, Cap took hits that could dent metal, hits from Loki, impacts that could cave the roof of a car in, lasers that could toss Iron-man back etc etc.
Ozy has zero chance of winning.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Not even close, Cap took hits that could dent metal, hits from Loki, impacts that could cave the roof of a car in, lasers that could toss Iron-man back etc etc.Ozy has zero chance of winning.
I can take a hit that can dent metal and be fine, assuming the metal isn't as strong as thick steel, and I'm nowhere near Cap or Ozy.
Taking hits from Loki and still being hurt is a weak feat. Loki wasn't that strong. When he missed Cap with the staff and hit the ground, the ground didn't even break. He only manage to throw Cap 10ft through the air (weak as hell). Ozy threw Rorshach further and kicked him a comparable distance to what Loki hit Cap with. Cap was still hurt by all that though. So it was not a good showing for Cap.
Cap was seriously hurt after denting the roof of the car. The roof of a car isn't that durable. That again is a weak feat.
Lasers that didn't move Iron Man back much still ate through Cap's ARMOR and still burned the shit out of him. Again a weak feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
did I say anything false?
No! So it was the truth and Ozy can easily hurt Cap with his superhuman strength.
Basically everything you said was false, but let's start with you claiming Loki wasn't that strong, you're aware that he was strong enough to block Thor's strikes, right?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Basically everything you said was false, but let's start with you claiming Loki wasn't that strong, you're aware that he was strong enough to block Thor's strikes, right?
If Loki was so strong then why he only managed to throw Cap about 10 feet away? Ozy threw Rorshach further than that. And why Loki didn't manage to destroy the ground when he missed Cap with the staff, striking the ground?
Again Loki wasn't that strong. He has no great strength feats to say otherwise.
Lastly, it takes a portion of an attacker's strength to block them. In martial arts class, women were able to block my attacks with ease and I'm much stronger. Plus Loki used a tool to block Thor, which makes it easier.
Specifically point out what else I said was false.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Loki was so strong then why he only managed to throw Cap about 10 feet away? Ozy threw Rorshach further than that. And why Loki didn't manage to destroy the ground when he missed Cap with the staff, striking the ground?
Loki threw guys further than that. And that's like saying Hulk didn't destroy Stark Tower when he pummelled Loki into it, therefore Hulk isn't that strong.
Lastly, it takes a portion of an attacker's strength to block them. In martial arts class, women were able to block my attacks with ease and I'm much stronger.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Loki threw guys further than that. And that's like saying Hulk didn't destroy Stark Tower when he pummelled Loki into it, therefore Hulk isn't that strong.
Did you really cut loose, like in an actual fight? Or was it controlled sparring? [/B]
Not the same thing since Loki has no strength feats that contradict him being very strong.
Also Loki never threw anyone further than 10ft. He kicked a guy approximately 10-15 away though which is the same when he struck Cap. Nothing spectacular.
Also characters in movies and comics have variable showings. Just because a character tanks a Gladiator punch doesn't mean they tanked a hit that can level a planet. Characters don't always operate in comics at optimal ability. I based Loki not being very strong solely off the scene where he engages Cap. He hits the ground with no damage to it, throws Cap like 10ft, etc. Nothing spectacular. Lokii is stronger than a normal human but doesn't have any great strength feats in the movie that set him far away. Plus Cap was HURT from Loki. So it isn't like Cap tanked it without being hurt at all. Thus it is a non feat.
It was a sparring session with protective gear on but I was sure to put at least 70% or more of my power into most hand strikes. To be honest I got frustrated the woman was showing me up (she was much more skilled and experience than me) and probably went 90% or more of my power in a strike or two. She was still able to block me. She was a phucking tiger I tell you. I was sweating good after the session.
Originally posted by tkitna
Now Loki's not very strong? Lol. I've been away from this thread for awhile. Obviously not long enough though as I see the BS is still being thrown.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Loki threw guys further than that. And that's like saying Hulk didn't destroy Stark Tower when he pummelled Loki into it, therefore Hulk isn't that strong.
Did you really cut loose, like in an actual fight? Or was it controlled sparring?
I'd say that this debate is over, seeing as I've basically got him arguing that he(h1a8) can tank the hit that dented Cap's shield and that Ozy is stronger than Loki.
At this point I think that even Stevie Wonder can see that h1a8 is massively low-balling Cap's feats so that he can give his character the win.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd say that this debate is over, seeing as I've basically got him arguing that he(h1a8) can tank the hit that dented Cap's shield and that Ozy is stronger than Loki.At this point I think that even Stevie Wonder can see that h1a8 is massively low-balling Cap's feats so that he can give his character the win.
I never claimed nor implied Ozy is stronger than Loki or Cap. To be clear
Loki>Cap>Ozy in strength.
Cap's shield wasn't proven to be solid steel but rather a costume prop. So the feat isn't enough to prove Ozy (with his superhuman strength) can't hurt Cap. Also Ozy strength feats puts in the area of being able to dent steel (real steel and not costume prop metal).
Originally posted by Silent Master
SureHow strong are you claiming Loki is cl 1, 2, 5, 10 etc? and how much strength are claiming it would take to dent Cap's shield like the Skull did?
Loki on average is probably around class 3. This is based on his showings against humans and Cap himself (him throwing and kicking people around and such). Class 10 and higher would absolutely splatter a human in one hit. Loki did no such thing.
Assuming the shield was a lighter metal but fairly strong I would probably guess it would take between 1-2 ton strength to dent the shield like that. I'm pretty sure the weight of a car concentrated in the size of knuckles on a fist can dent the shield.
Also here are my estimates for all the characters in the discussion
1. Loki=3 tonner
2. Cap=Red Skull=1-2 tons
3. Ozy= 1 ton or slightly above that
These are averages since we have variable showings. IMO Cap is probably twice as strong as Ozy at best and probably 1.5 times stronger at worst.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Loki was so strong then why he only managed to throw Cap about 10 feet away? Ozy threw Rorshach further than that. And why Loki didn't manage to destroy the ground when he missed Cap with the staff, striking the ground?Again Loki wasn't that strong. He has no great strength feats to say otherwise.
Lastly, it takes a portion of an attacker's strength to block them. In martial arts class, women were able to block my attacks with ease and I'm much stronger. Plus Loki used a tool to block Thor, which makes it easier.
Specifically point out what else I said was false.
Lol, what the f*ck?
Loki, the guy who was able to take hits from Thor and Hulk and bounce right back up wasn't very strong?
You are so full of shit I can see it coming out of your ears.