Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, what the f*ck?Loki, the guy who was able to take hits from Thor and Hulk and bounce right back up wasn't very strong?
You are so full of shit I can see it coming out of your ears.
Apparently it only takes cl 3 strength to block the strikes of someone that can crush Iron-man's armor with his bare hands and knock the Hulk around.
Using that logic. h1a8 also believes that a 3 month old baby could block hits from Mike Tyson.
Originally posted by KingD19
13 pages of h1a8 fighting a losing battle. Shame.
You mean winning as my argument makes far better sense.
I claimed movie Ozy can beat Cap mainly due to skill and h2h speed.
I didn't claim Ozy was stronger or more durable than Cap ever.
A couple of members here are arguing that Ozy can't even hurt Cap.
That's far dumber than me saying Ozy wins.
Ozy clearly has superhuman stats (strength, speed, reflexes, etc.)
and yet still can't hurt Cap. So a superhuman character that's stronger than any human can't hurt Cap?
You how stupid that sounds?
Not only Ozy has the strength to compete but he has the hand speed to generate a larger kinetic energy.
The misconception is that Cap is fighting a regular human with no superhuman strength. If he were then I would never be arguing for Ozy in the first place. But I know better, and we all should know better.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Apparently it only takes cl 3 strength to block the strikes of someone that can crush Iron-man's armor with his bare hands and knock the Hulk around.Using that logic. h1a8 also believes that a 3 month old baby could block hits from Mike Tyson.
Anyone with 5 ton strength can knock the Hulk around with an indestructible hammer around since Hulk weighs less than half a ton.
And it takes only a small portion of someone's strength to block an attack.
Plus Loki used a tool to help block Thor, it wasn't from his bare hands which would require more strength.
Crushing Iron Man's armor was a good feat but not that good. He barely crushed it, just a little bit.
Lastly you are forgetting the variable ability rule. Just because someone uses X strength in one instance doesn't mean they are using in another instance IF contradictory evidence exists for it. For instance, Glads striking someone doesn't mean he is striking with planet destroying force. You can't use the highest showings for the basis of a different scene. If so then I can say since Superman can survive X so if Y hurts him Y is applying more force than X's greatest feat. Loki was fighting at 2-3 ton strength when engaging Cap. As shown from him slinging Cap around and him hitting the ground with no damage done to it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Bullets don't phase Loki.Cap's fists do.
Not hard to see where Cap stands.
The bullets did phase Loki. Apparently Loki has a healing factor or uses magic to heal himself. If you look at the scene again you would see a bullet from a handgun scar the shit out of his face. But he uses magic or some healing factor to instantly heal himself.
Cap didn't phase him at all. Loki wasn't even hurt in the slightest. So I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Lastly, as a great man once said, "boards don't hit back". It would be very hard (not impossible though) for Cap to hit Ozy due to Ozy's skill and h2h speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, what the f*ck?Loki, the guy who was able to take hits from Thor and Hulk and bounce right back up wasn't very strong?
You are so full of shit I can see it coming out of your ears.
Loki didn't take a hit from Hulk, Hulk only grabbed him and slammed him repeatedly into the ground. Looking at the scene Hulk was holding back while Loki still almost died. So again how in the hell did Loki take punishment.
Also the scene was Loki against Concrete and not Hulk against Loki. Concrete>>>>Loki as Loki was seriously hurt.
Lastly durability =/= strength
If someone can survive an attack doesn't mean they can lift X tons. We prove strength by feats of strength, not feats of durability. You should know this since you been a member here a long time now. Think man!
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyone with 5 ton strength can knock the Hulk around with an indestructible hammer around since Hulk weighs less than half a ton.
And it takes only a small portion of someone's strength to block an attack.
Plus Loki used a tool to help block Thor, it wasn't from his bare hands which would require more strength.Crushing Iron Man's armor was a good feat but not that good. He barely crushed it, just a little bit.
The bullets did phase Loki. Apparently Loki has a healing factor or uses magic to heal himself. If you look at the scene again you would see a bullet from a handgun scare the shit out of his face. But he uses magic or some healing factor to instantly heal himself.
Cap didn't phase him at all. Loki wasn't even hurt in the slightest. So I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Lastly, as a great man once said, "boards don't hit back". It would be very hard (not impossible though) for Cap to hit Ozy due to Ozy's skill and h2h speed.
Loki didn't take a hit from Hulk, Hulk only grabbed him and slammed him repeatedly into the ground. Looking at the scene Hulk was holding back while Loki still almost died. So again how in the hell did Loki take punishment.
Lastly durability =/= strength
If someone can survive an attack doesn't mean they can lift X tons. We prove strength by feats of strength, not feats of durability. You should know this since you been a member here a long time now. Think man!
LOL at saying that Thor is only cl 5.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say he was, just saying that is all it takes to launch a half ton object.
Well do we know what class he is? What's his best strength feats?
Do we base his class off his highest feat or his average feats?
Even with ignoring his Hulk related feats, We know that he can casually crush Iron-man's armor in his bare hands.
Let me guess, you're going to claim that that would only take cl 5 strength, right?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Even with ignoring his Hulk related feats, We know that he can casually crush Iron-man's armor in his bare hands.Let me guess, you're going to claim that that would only take cl 5 strength, right?
I'm not sure what it takes to slightly crush Iron Man's wrist armor. Thor used all his might due to the fact he could only crush it a centimeter and not anymore. So casually is false.
Iron Man is bullet proof against hand arms, but against high powered bullet shots he can be penetrated easily. My guess is that concentrating some tonnage into a small area such as the hand can compromise his armor to a slight extent (such as what Thor did).
You never answered the question though.
Do we based a character's class off their highest feat or average feats?
That way I can argue accordingly.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Prove that Thor was using "all his might" ann 2) Prove that he only "crush it a centimeter"BTW, you're aware that real world grade 5 titantium has a tensile strength of around 128,000psi and a compressive strength of 141,000psi, right?
Are you sure you want to stick with the cl 5 strength rating?
He was using all of his might because he only managed to crush it about 1 cm and not much more (as shown). 1 cm is approximate from the visuals. It was above 1mm and below 1.5 cm and seemed as if 1 cm. Exactness is unnecessary as it wouldn't change the outcome of the argument.
Tensile strength has nothing to do with deforming something. It has everything to do with tearing/ripping something apart. Yes I'll still stick with 5 ton strength.
And you are still avoiding the question:
You never answered the question though.
Do we based a character's class off their highest feat or average feats?
That way I can argue accordingly.
This question is important because it seems you are taking a character's highest feat and applying to all situations and scenes. A character applying X tons in one scene doesn't mean they are applying X tons in another. We would get a heap of shit of contradictions if we used logic like that.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I didn't ask for your speculation, I asked for proof.
Proof is in seeing. How do you know that Thor crushed Iron Man's wrist part anyway? Is it because you saw it? How do we know something happened on panel? Because we can see.
Lastly compression strength deals with completely crushing a solid cylinder. And since both Iron Man's wrist part was rather a thin plate and Thor used his finger tips (less Area) then it took much less force than you are thinking.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Wow, cap beats the f**k out of ozy
Let's see
Ozy has superhuman strength (less than but close to movie Cap's), greater superhuman h2h speed and reflexes than Cap, and greater fighting skill than Cap.
How does Cap win or let alone land strikes on him?
As far as I can tell it's highly believable that Ozy won't get touched by Cap.
Originally posted by h1a8
Proof is in seeing. How do you know that Thor crushed Iron Man's wrist part anyway? Is it because you saw it? How do we know something happened on panel? Because we can see.Lastly compression strength deals with completely crushing a solid cylinder. And since both Iron Man's wrist part was rather a thin plate and Thor used his finger tips (less Area) then it took much less force than you are thinking.
3rd time asking.
Prove that Thor was using all his might and that the metal was only deformed by 1cm. also prove that it only takes cl 5 strength to deform Iron-man's armor.
Keep in mind that his armor took a tank shell in the first movie without any damage to the armor and that real world titantium would have been completely destroyed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Let's see
Ozy has superhuman strength (less than but close to movie Cap's), greater superhuman h2h speed and reflexes than Cap, and greater fighting skill than Cap.How does Cap win or let alone land strikes on him?
As far as I can tell it's highly believable that Ozy won't get touched by Cap.
Cap's Durability is so far and away above Ozy there not even comparative
Caps charging speed is also much greater than anything shown in the Watchman movie
Movie Cap is also apparently fine with killing people, and if he hits Ozy he can kill him in a single strike
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ozy caught a bullet which pack less force than a boxers punch.Cap's Durability is so far and away above Ozy there not even comparative
Caps charging speed is also much greater than anything shown in the Watchman movie
Movie Cap is also apparently fine with killing people, and if he hits Ozy he can kill him in a single strike
The energy of a bullet exceeds that of a punch by a lot. Otherwise people would splatter other people's faces with punches.
Cap's durability is more than Ozy's but no so much that Ozy (whom has superhuman strength) can't hurt him well. Red Skull after all smacked blood from Cap and all he did was dent a costume prop metal shield.
Charging speed? What the hell is that going to do in an up close fight? Ozy has the speed and reflexes to catch bullets. What the hell is Cap going to do? Ozy will kick the shit out of him, probably 10 ft through the air or simply trip him or make him look stupid some other kind of way.
Yet movie Cap didn't kill many ordinary humans whom he hit. Ozy is superhuman in every sense of the word and not a regular human. Cap didn't kill Skull with a punch and Ozy is almost comparable in physicality. Hell Rorshach and Nite Owl had superhuman durability and Ozy is above them.
With that said, Cap would have a hard time even hitting Ozy. I wouldn't be surprised if Ozy beats him without getting touched in 7 out of 10 matches.
Originally posted by Silent Master
3rd time asking.Prove that Thor was using all his might and that the metal was only deformed by 1cm. also prove that it only takes cl 5 strength to deform Iron-man's armor.
Keep in mind that his armor took a tank shell in the first movie without any damage to the armor and that real world titantium would have been completely destroyed.
Why wasn't he using all his might? He tried to kill the shit out of Cap with the hammer. Obviously he wasn't holding back.
My guess, based off my college physics professor's experience, is that it takes about 1-2 tons concentrated in the area of a fingertip to begin to dent a thin plate of titanium. Imagine the force of the weight of a couple of cars pressing down on a thin plate of titanium in the area of the size of fingertips.
False, the Iron Man suit took damage from the tank shell. When he landed and got up you see his chest area damaged and was scared up.
Also the chest is much more durable than the wrist area.
Lastly, a tank's shell after traveling over 1000ft against gravity (loss of thousands of joules of energy) doesn't hit with much kinetic energy at all.
The loss of kinetic energy is mgh which is huge considering the height in which the shell traveled to hit Iron Man. Plus the shell didn't seem to be traveling that fast as you clearly see it go past Iron Man when he dodges it. But we can chalk that up to suspension of disbelief and assume it was going faster than a handgun bullet.
And lastly, are you basing characters off their highest feats or average feats?
4th time asking.
Prove that Thor was using all his might and that the metal was only deformed by 1cm. also prove that it only takes cl 5 strength to deform Iron-man's armor.
Keep in mind that his armor took a tank shell in the first movie without any damage(The chest plate wasn't damaged) to the armor and that real world titantium would have been completely destroyed.
Originally posted by Silent Master
4th time asking.Prove that Thor was using all his might and that the metal was only deformed by 1cm. also prove that it only takes cl 5 strength to deform Iron-man's armor.
Keep in mind that his armor took a tank shell in the first movie without any damage(The chest plate wasn't damaged) to the armor and that real world titantium would have been completely destroyed.
I did prove it. Either you don't understand the proof or you purposely don't want Ozy to beat Cap at all. If the latter then you are trolling. If the former then you just aren't that smart.
Thor wasn't holding back. Thus he used all of his might. You are trolling if you say otherwise.
Once again, Thor was willing to kill. That implies he is not holding back and thus using all of his might.
Whether it is 1cm or 1.3cm, 2 cm, etc. it really doesn't change the point. Arguing about exactly 1cm is trolling. Also looking at the scene what reasonable range of deformation do you think Thor bent in IM's wrist armor? 1-2cm, 1-2in, 1-2ft, what? Whatever you choose is fine with me as long as you are honest and reasonable.
Why did you repeat the same stuff in the end? I addressed that already. Comment on my rebuttal, don't repeat the same stuff like I didn't address it.
His chest was damaged. You see cracks and holes in his chest area that wasn't there before the shot.
But who cares? Let's assume it did absolutely no damage to him. The shell lost hella MGH (potential energy=mass x gravity x height) energy and energy from drag resistance reaching IM. Not the same as being shot at from the ground at close range.