Ozymandias vs Captain America

Originally posted by h1a8

Lastly, a tank's shell after traveling over 1000ft against gravity (loss of thousands of joules of energy) doesn't hit with much kinetic energy at all.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Slightly Off-topic.

[b]The DM33 has a three-part aluminum sabot and a two-part tungsten penetrator, and is said to be able to penetrate 560 millimeters (22 in) of steel armor at a range of 2,000 meters (2,200 yd).

BTW, 2,000 meters would be 6,561ft. [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
Who cares? What's the relevance?

I don't care to read much more than that

Originally posted by h1a8
I said I can tank a hit from someone who can dent weak metal.

Which is what you said Cap's shield is made of, the shield which Red Skull dented with a punch.

Still not seeing what Ozy did in the movies that puts him above Cap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is what you said Cap's shield is made of, the shield which Red Skull dented with a punch.

But Red Skull no exist, only Hugo Weaving, and h1a8 can tank Hugo's punch.

This thread is getting weird and existential.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol

Why is H1 still allowed to just make up facts in every thread?

It's funny how you never attacked Silent Master or anyone else for ACTUALLY making up facts. He said the shield was made of steel, and just gave useless info on a DM33 implying that the bullet in IM was just that.

This thread is still here!? Can someone just call time of death?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is what you said Cap's shield is made of, the shield which Red Skull dented with a punch.

I didn't say nor imply I can tank every being who can dent weak metal. I said I can tank a hit from someone who can dent weak metal (prehaps the weakest person who can do it)

In other words, from the set of all who can dent weak metal, there exists a member of the set whom I can tank their hit.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Still not seeing what Ozy did in the movies that puts him above Cap.

He is not as strong as Cap or quite as durable. But he does have superhuman strength (stronger than any human).

1. He casually jumped about 30ft
2. He kicked Rorshach many feet through the air across the room
3. He threw Rorshach like a rag doll over 20ft away
4. He easily caught a punch capable of smashing through solid concrete
5. He easily and casually picked up and threw a man weighing about 250lb through a highly reinforced skycraper window.
6. He smashed a man's head and broke a solid marble table in half.

Ozy skill is far greater than Cap and didn't get touched by simultaneously fighting Rorshach or Nite Owl.

Ozy's h2h speed and reflexes is far greater than Caps as he was able to catch a bullet after it was shot and very easily and casually (while talking and explaning his plot) block every attack made by Rorshach and Nite Owl like they were children.

Cap being stronger and more durable is not enough to give him the win here.
Ozy is also superhuman with incredible skill.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say nor imply I can tank every being who can dent weak metal. I said I can tank a hit from someone who can dent weak metal (prehaps the weakest person who can do it)

In other words, from the set of all who can dent weak metal, there exists a member of the set whom I can tank their hit.

He is not as strong as Cap or quite as durable. But he does have superhuman strength (stronger than any human).

1. He casually jumped about 30ft
2. He kicked Rorshach many feet through the air across the room
3. He threw Rorshach like a rag doll over 20ft away
4. He easily caught a punch capable of smashing through solid concrete
5. He easily and casually picked up and threw a man weighing about 250lb through a highly reinforced skycraper window.
6. He smashed a man's head and broke a solid marble table in half.

Ozy skill is far greater than Cap and didn't get touched by simultaneously fighting Rorshach or Nite Owl.

Ozy's h2h speed and reflexes is far greater than Caps as he was able to catch a bullet after it was shot and very easily and casually (while talking and explaning his plot) block every attack made by Rorshach and Nite Owl like they were children.

Cap being stronger and more durable is not enough to give him the win here.
Ozy is superhuman with incredible skill.

I don't agree with that at all, tbh.

Originally posted by Blight
This thread is still here!? Can someone just call time of death?

movie versions discussion dude. Read first!

Cap jumped over 30 feet during his rescue of Bucky, knocked fully armored soldiers 20-30ft with punches and kicks, tanked punches capable of denting thick metal, punched through reinforced glass while underwater, caught up to a sub while swimming etc etc etc.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap jumped over 30 feet during his rescue of Bucky, knocked fully armored soldiers 20-30ft with punches and kicks, tanked punches capable of denting thick metal, punched through reinforced glass while underwater, caught up to a sub while swimming etc etc etc.

Jumped 30ft in the rescue of Bucky? If so then that matches Ozy and not surpasses him by much. We don't know how durable the metal is since it has no feats of durability. All we know is that a bullet was able to go through it and that it was used to do shows with. Punching through reinforced glass underwater is impressive and is the number one reason why I say Cap is stronger than Ozy (but not by much), also swimming to caught the sub and running 40-50mph is impressive too. But still not enough to beat Ozy. Ozy caught a bullet. That right there is probably as impressive as most (if not all) of Cap's feats. It's hard to beat.

Catching a bullet doesn't put him > Cap by itself.

Fact is that Cap tanked hits that exceed anything Ozy is capable of, punched/kicked fully armored soldiers further than anybody Ozy threw(with both hands), punched through armored glass while underwater and he's at least as skilled in hth as Ozy.

Ozy has zero chance.

Holy shit this is still going on?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Holy shit this is still going on?

h1a8 is still trying to argue that Ozy will win the fight, Because Cap has better feats.

Yea, I don't understand his argument either.

Maybe if we all concentrate really hard h1a8 dying our collective willpower will make it happen?

Originally posted by h1a8
Jumped 30ft in the rescue of Bucky? If so then that matches Ozy and not surpasses him by much. We don't know how durable the metal is since it has no feats of durability. All we know is that a bullet was able to go through it and that it was used to do shows with. Punching through reinforced glass underwater is impressive and is the number one reason why I say Cap is stronger than Ozy (but not by much), also swimming to caught the sub and running 40-50mph is impressive too. But still not enough to beat Ozy. Ozy caught a bullet. That right there is probably as impressive as most (if not all) of Cap's feats. It's hard to beat.

So are we using high end feats or average feats?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So are we using high end feats or average feats?

He wants to use high end feats for Ozy and low end for Cap.

Can you believe he actually posted the below quote?

Originally posted by h1a8
You are reaching through your ass in all movies (from avengers, to Thor, to IM, to CA, etc.) to get feats to support your case. This is desperation.

I was wondering. Because in the film, like in the comic, Ozy was surprised that he managed to catch that bullet (with gloves, incidentally).

So whilst its a very impressive speed/skill feat, he hadn't done it before (based on his reaction) and he didn't do it after. So I would see it as a high-end outlier....

Ozy's averages then rely on his casual beating of R and Night Owl.

Originally posted by h1a8
Steel/Iron that size is very heavy and very durable. Brass/Copper? It could be a million different type of alloys. It was made to do shows, not to fight wars. A bullet easily penetrated it proving it wasn't steel. You are not in the discussion. Silent claimed it was made of steel with no proof. We can accept it was made of steel except there is evidence against it.

Why would they even use an alloy? To make it lighter? What possible logic would that have when the guy carrying it around is obviously extremely strong? What combination of metals are you getting it that was commonly used around this time?

Steel was a common material used in that era and custom metals were not commonly used for stage props.

What is the evidence against it being steel? From what I've read, the only "proof" that you showed was (pls correct me if I missed anything):

-It was penetrated by something.
-It was dented by the Red Skull
-It was used as a prop

All of this is circumstantial and in no way proves that it was not steel.