Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I was wondering. Because in the film, like in the comic, Ozy was surprised that he managed to catch that bullet (with gloves, incidentally).So whilst its a very impressive speed/skill feat, he hadn't done it before (based on his reaction) and he didn't do it after. So I would see it as a high-end outlier....
Ozy's averages then rely on his casual beating of R and Night Owl.
The movie also had him get spun around and then thrown down the stairs by the bullets force.
Movie Cap chases down cars, punches through reinforced submarine windows, jumps 20 + in the air, sends soldiers flying dozens of feet with his attacks, lifts motorcycles above his head with several women sitting on it without breaking a sweet and can hold his own in melee combat against a Norse God.
Movie Ozy beat three middle aged costume vigilantes.
17 pages.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Movie Cap chases down cars, bunches through reinforced submarine windows, jumps 20 + in the air, sends soldiers flying dozens of feet with his attacks, lifts motorcycles above his head with several women sitting on it without breaking a sweet and can hold his own in melee combat against a Norse God.Movie Ozy beat three middle aged costume vigilantes.
17 pages.
According to h1a8, Loki is only cl 3 and Thor is cl 5....which would mean movie Hulk is around cl 6-8.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He wants to use high end feats for Ozy and low end for Cap.Can you believe he actually posted the below quote?
False, you failed to answer the question of whether you are using the highest feats through the entire contiuum of movies. Ozy has no low feats but only high ones.
Cap has high ones too but not Loki or those lasers, they have low feats as well.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So are we using high end feats or average feats?
Ask Silent Master that. I been asking him for days and he refuse to answer.
Ozy has few apperances and thus no average feats exist for him. Every feat he did was superhuman and was comparable to each other.
Silent Master was using the highest feats (not average) from the whole set of movies as a continuum. Even then I still rebutted each very well.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Fact is that Cap tanked hits that exceed anything Ozy is capable of, punched/kicked fully armored soldiers further than anybody Ozy threw(with both hands), punched through armored glass while underwater and he's at least as skilled in hth as Ozy.Ozy has zero chance.
Cap didn't tank anything. He was hurt by almost everything he encountered.
Why you keep arguing about who's stronger? Of course Cap is stronger but strength isn't even significant when the opponent is in the vicinity of your strength.
I seen much weaker fighters (in the old UFC days) beats much stronger opponents (people more than 3x stronger) due to being better skilled and faster.
You should be banned for saying Cap is at least as skilled as Ozy. This is not debatable. Ozy would almost treat Cap like a child if they were in equal bodies. No comparsion in skill, not even close.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Catching a bullet doesn't put him > Cap by itself.
Never said nor implied it. But it gives Ozy a hella push towards being > Cap since Cap can't come close to doing that himself.
Ozy's better fighting skill, reflexes, and h2h speed, combined with catching a bullet seals the deal.
Attributes for each (subjective of course)
Strength
Cap = 10
Ozy =7 (Ozy is still superhuman here)
Skill
Cap = 6
Ozy = 10
Reflexes
Cap = 6
Ozy = 10
Durability
Cap = 10
Ozy = 7 (caught a bullet, caught a punch capable of smashing through solid concrete)
H2H speed
Cap = 7
Ozy =10
Ozy has few apperances and thus no average feats exist for him. Every feat he did was superhuman and was comparable to each other.
But they made a point that his bullet feat was an outlier....he didn't just casually catch it (like he casually dismissed R and Owl), he surprised even himself, the smartest man on the planet who plans for everything. So I don't think it can be said to be an 'average'.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Movie Cap chases down cars, punches through reinforced submarine windows, jumps 20 + in the air, sends soldiers flying dozens of feet with his attacks, lifts motorcycles above his head with several women sitting on it without breaking a sweet and can hold his own in melee combat against a Norse God.Movie Ozy beat three middle aged costume vigilantes.
17 pages.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they made a point that his bullet feat was an outlier....he didn't just casually catch it (like he casually dismissed R and Owl), he surprised even himself, the smartest man on the planet who plans for everything. So I don't think it can be said to be an 'average'.
How the hell was he surprised? He did the shit casually and on purpose. Look at the scene again please.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Per feats. Cap is far stronger and more durable, plus his feats of beating trained soldiers and superhuman aliens>>>> Ozy's feats of beating random thugs and vigilantes whose only feats are beating random thugs.
Cap is not far stronger per feats. At best he 1.5-2 times stronger. But being stronger is not going to win this fight here. Those soldiers didn't know how to fight. Also those aliens didn't either. Black Widow and Barton were schooling them easily. LOL I didn't even see them throw a punch for crying out loud. Maybe they did though. Who cares?
Only an idiot or someone bias can not see how skilled Ozy was. He was far more skilled that 3 Caps put together (if skilled can be stacked).
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not that Ozy stands a chance against Movie 'I fight super powered aliens and tank laser guns that damage Iron Man' Cap, but when exactly was it stated that this is movie characters?
We been discussing this for weeks dude. Of course we know this isn't about comic versions as EVERYONE, including me, has said Cap wins in comic versions.
But know that those lasers failed to move IM significantly too. So we can't pick and choose. Also Cap wore armor in his gut area which protected him somewhat but those lasers still phucked the shit out of him. Hence a non feat.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't care to read much more than that
Good! Now you see that Silent was making up facts. Get him Branlor.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why would they even use an alloy? To make it lighter? What possible logic would that have when the guy carrying it around is obviously extremely strong? What combination of metals are you getting it that was commonly used around this time?Steel was a common material used in that era and custom metals were not commonly used for stage props.
What is the evidence against it being steel? From what I've read, the only "proof" that you showed was (pls correct me if I missed anything):
-It was penetrated by something.
-It was dented by the Red Skull
-It was used as a propAll of this is circumstantial and in no way proves that it was not steel.
Sorry but a steel shield isn't going to used as a costume to do shows with. It's too phucking heavy dude. It being penetrated by a bullet is sufficient in showing it was not steel. No one even mentioned Red Skull denting it made it not steel. You made this up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I was wondering. Because in the film, like in the comic, Ozy was surprised that he managed to catch that bullet (with gloves, incidentally).So whilst its a very impressive speed/skill feat, he hadn't done it before (based on his reaction) and he didn't do it after. So I would see it as a high-end outlier....
Ozy's averages then rely on his casual beating of R and Night Owl.
By him not every doing it before makes it more impressive than ever. It not only shows his durability, speed, and reflexes, but indirectly it showed the residual his incredible fighting skill that achieved some of those things.
If Cap tried to catch a bullet, he would have failed miserably.
You not liking it doesn't change the fact that per feats, Cap is far stronger and more durable, plus his feats of beating trained soldiers and superhuman aliens>>>> Ozy's feats of beating random thugs and vigilantes whose only feats are beating random thugs.
As for your attempts to use BW and Hawkeye fighting them, they didn't do anywhere near as well in pure HTH as Cap did..
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Movie Cap chases down cars, punches through reinforced submarine windows, jumps 20 + in the air, sends soldiers flying dozens of feet with his attacks, lifts motorcycles above his head with several women sitting on it without breaking a sweet and can hold his own in melee combat against a Norse God.Movie Ozy beat three middle aged costume vigilantes.
17 pages.
I listed the superhuman feats Ozy has. Yet you troll and ignore them. Only list feats for one character and ignore the other characters feats is trolling.
He is in the vicinity of Cap's strength by feats (but Cap is still stronger).
1. Ozy jumps casually 30ft through the air
2. Throws a man about 250lb through a highly reinforced window (skyscraper glass)
3. Casually catchs a punch capable of smashing through solid concrete
4. Kicks people over 20ft away across the room
5. Casually throws people like rag dolls over 20ft away
6. Smashes someones head and breaks a solid marble table in half
7. Catches a freaking bullet (skill, speed, reflex, and durability feat all in one)
8. Schools Rorshach and Nite Owl like they are children
Nothing you named by Cap is far above Ozy. Yet Cap is above Ozy physically but not by much. Ozy's skill, speed, reflexes, and smarts edges Cap out.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but a steel shield isn't going to used as a costume to do shows with. It's too phucking heavy dude. It being penetrated by a bullet is sufficient in showing it was not steel. No one even mentioned Red Skull denting it made it not steel. You made this up.
That is categorically untrue. My father is a huge collector of memorabilia, and I can tell you for a fact that movie and set props from that era are remarkably well made. People routinely get fooled into thinking they have something older / more valuable then what they actually have because they have a replica that was used in an 70 year old movie. That's how well that stuff was made back then... craftsmen had pride.
Not to mention the military doesn't cut corners. My winter jacket is a vintage ww2 era us military bomber jacket and it's still in amazing condition.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You not liking it doesn't change the fact that per feats, Cap is far stronger and more durable, plus his feats of beating trained soldiers and superhuman aliens>>>> Ozy's feats of beating random thugs and vigilantes whose only feats are beating random thugs.As for your attempts to use BW and Hawkeye fighting them, they didn't do anywhere near as well in pure HTH as Cap did..
Dude who cares if Cap is stronger? What the hell is that going to do? I can beat the shit out of someone stronger than me but less skilled. Ozy is still superhuman. Stop trolling and acting like he has just human stats.
Cap beating aliens that can't fight at all is pathetic.
Cap beating soldiers that can't fight is pathetic.
So again how is Cap beating non fighting aliens and soldiers >>> Ozy feats of skill?
Trolling at it's finest I see.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is categorically untrue. My father is a huge collector of memorabilia, and I can tell you for a fact that movie and set props from that era are remarkably well made. People routinely get fooled into thinking they have something older / more valuable then what they actually have because they have a replica that was used in an 70 year old movie. That's how well that stuff was made back then... craftsmen had pride.Not to mention the military doesn't cut corners. My winter jacket is a vintage ww2 era us military bomber jacket and it's still in amazing condition.
It was used for a show, not to fight. And stop arguing the fight of one battle. You can't win the war unless you win all the battles. You still have to conquer these
1. stage custume
2. penetrated by a bullet
Even if you somehow beat 1. doesn't mean jack shit as 2. has your number dude.