Originally posted by h1a8
lol at reinforced submarine glass
not only was that not a real submarine but the glass looked like plasticheavily armored? I think not. They looked soft as hell. Especially with widow easily piercing them like jello.
tanking energy attacks that could destroy cars? I think not
the chariot's energy blasts were shown to destroy cars, not their hand weapons.
Also Cap had armor built in his gut area.Oh you are referring to Skull denting the shield?
If so then i'm not sure it was made of steel. After all it was a prop for a costume.
Sure it was made of metal but definitely a much lighter metal since it was made for a regular human to carry to do shows with, not to actually fight with.
Also when Skull struck it you see bullets holes that easily penetrated it, proving it was much less durable than steel.
Also in the later scene Skull was scene making Cap bleed with a hit and smack to the face.Ozy has proven superhuman strength and can easily duplicate Skull's hitting strength or better.
So Ozy is going to hit and damage Cap in the face as to get past his durability.
This is what you're reduced to? anyone that actually watched the movie knows that you're seriuosly low-balling/lying about the feats because Ozy has no way of getting past Cap's durability.
But for the record, bullets never penetrated Cap's shield, all they did was chip the paint, this was shown when we see the back of the shield after Red Skull punched it, there were no holes.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America would punch Ozymandias' face off, what is wrong with you guys? Stop arguing with h1, if it isn't obvious now, it isn't going to be ever.On the topic of Captain America, did anyone catch the new Ultimate Spider-Man episode? Marvel has completely dropped the pretense that Captain America is anything resembling human (Been like that for a while now tbh). But it was obvious where they were heading with it when they stopped calling him an enhanced human period, and referred to him as a super soldier.
I'd also like to point out, that the Captain America in the Ultimate Spider-Man Universe is copied and pasted from the movie Universe. This is even more one sided than I thought (If that was possible), if that's what Marvel thinks Captain America is at power/formidability wise.
The show isn't great and the jokes are cringe worthy at times but the episode was worth it for that -brief- ass kicking.
Brubaker's responsible for the whole "he's not peak human" shtick, mostly.
Granted, Cap's always had feats which qualify as superhuman, but he was referred to as "peak human" in the context of his stories. Since Brubaker got on board, he's made it abundantly clear that Steve is superhuman, both in terms of feats and statements as well as writer interviews.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Brubaker's responsible for the whole "he's not peak human" shtick, mostly.Granted, Cap's always had feats which qualify as superhuman, but he was referred to as "peak human" in the context of his stories. Since Brubaker got on board, he's made it abundantly clear that Steve is superhuman, both in terms of feats and statements as well as writer interviews.
Good for him
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Good for him
Very good for him, in fact.
Guy's had arguably the best Captain America run of all time and has influenced how Cap is handled outside of comics by Marvel for years (ie. the Captain America sequel).
Where once it was possibly debatable if Cap was just peak human with high end feats or outright superhuman to begin with, it certainly isn't nowadays since Brubaker got his hands on him years ago.
Those people need to read Captain America comics instead of relying on bios and handbooks, then.
Peak humans don't dodge bullets because they "see faster than them". He's currently been described as the next stage in human evolution with the Super-Soldier Serum effectively making Steve the pinnacle of what a human could possibly be someday.
Admittedly, I used to think Steve was only peak human in description as well as conventionally, but that was before I started reading the comics in depth. Guy's superhuman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
This is what you're reduced to? anyone that actually watched the movie knows that you're seriuosly low-balling/lying about the feats because Ozy has no way of getting past Cap's durability.But for the record, bullets never penetrated Cap's shield, all they did was chip the paint, this was shown when we see the back of the shield after Red Skull punched it, there were no holes.
There was a big phucking hole in the middle-top right of the shield. Watch as Cap walks towards Skull after he says, "I'm a big fan of your films". You will see a hole clearly with light shining through it. Now look at the front of the shield right before Skull punches it too, pause it here. The scene immediately after, where it shows the shield denting from behind, has Cap covering it up the hole with his arm (as verified immediately after that scene). Then finally watch the part after Cap kicks him while lying on the ground and gets up and walks after him, same hole. Look at the shield these three times.
You are the one lowballing here. Treating Ozy like he has regular human stats with no superhuman ability at all. He was clearly shown to do superhuman shit over and over again including catching a bullet. Skull was at least able to beat blood from Cap with a couple of hits (including a smack).
I'm not even suggesting that Ozy is strong as Cap. But he's not too far away in physicality where skill and h2h speed won't matter.
P.S. I trying my best to find that blood on Hulk and I still couldn't see him koed anywhere. So really I don't know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, normal glass couldn't handle the pressure that subs operate out, so of course it was reinforced glass, h1a8 must be getting desperate.
That sub didn't look like it was designed to travel the depths real submarines can travel. It just look like a getaway pod, nothing more.
The feat was still amazing, just not what you are making it out to be.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those people need to read Captain America comics instead of relying on bios and handbooks, then.Peak humans don't dodge bullets because they "see faster than them". He's currently been described as the next stage in human evolution with the Super-Soldier Serum effectively making Steve the pinnacle of what a human could possibly be someday.
Admittedly, I used to think Steve was only peak human in description as well as conventionally, but that was before I started reading the comics in depth. Guy's superhuman.
I believe people used the say Cap is peak human a long time ago. I don't think there has been anyone in recent years to think he isn't superhuman. So I don't get where you guys are coming from.
Originally posted by h1a8
There was a big phucking hole in the middle-top right of the shield. Watch as Cap walks towards Skull after he says, "I'm a big fan of your films". You will see a hole clearly with light shining through it. Now look at the front of the shield right before Skull punches it too, pause it here.
you're on some good drugs dude
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the clip that shows a bullet hole in the shield and post the proof that the submarine used regular glass instead reinforced glass like other submarines and submersibles.
Here you see the hole
http://imageshack.us/a/img7/3920/holeinshield.png
Again you see the same hole, but from the front.
http://imageshack.us/a/img401/2829/holeinshield2.png
Again
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/4977/holeinshield3.png
There are more images but 3 should suffice.
I didn't say it was regular glass. I said it looked like plastic. I'm not claiming it was plastic or regular glass in the story (but it was in making the movie). I just don't think it was reinforced glass. It was a getaway pod, nothing more. Prove that it was indeed reinforced glass.
