TPM Qui-Gon Jiin vs. ROTJ Luke

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))

LOL! are you kidding me! Anakin meant that as a kinda of pigheaded insult towards Dooku, He didn't mean it literally. Anakin thought he was a FAST learner compared to everyone else (because he was). Thats why he felt Obi-Wan was holding him back. For him to say and mean "I am a slow learner" literally would go against EVERYTHING else he said in the rest of the movie..lol n00b.

hes certainly not a Form V master like Vader (who Dooku said was the best practitioner of Form V he had ever seen)

1. Yes he was slow-ass learner. He even put the emphasis on "AM".----"He still has MUCH to learn."- Obi to Mace and Yoda.

2. If Dooku woulda lived to ROTJ he woulda retracted that statement, cuz Luke was better at Form V.

Anakin was not at all a slow-ass learner. Not even in the slightest. While he is a bit headstrong, he does have ten less years than pretty much any other Jedi his age. Hell, he's the only exception, really. Most Jedi are trained from birth.

Luke was not better at Form V than Vader. Not by a longshot.

1. Yes he was slow-ass learner. He even put the emphasis on "AM".----"He still has MUCH to learn."- Obi to Mace and Yoda.

2. If Dooku woulda lived to ROTJ he woulda retracted that statement, cuz Luke was better at Form V.

Luke didn't know Form V, its impossible, there's not enough time to learn anything. I'm not repeating myself, read my post above.

But just as a side though (If say Luke even had years to learn a style)...who exactly taught him Form V? Vader is the ONLY living practitioner of Form V alive during the Empire times...so...Luke just magically taught himself a lightsaber form who know one other then the person he's trying to defeat knows? Ridiculous.

Yoda couldn't have done it, he uses Form IV...so...tell me? How do you teach yourself something that no one knows, and then manage to master it as well as a person (who was hailed by one of the best duelist of the PT era, Dooku) as THE master of Form V, and who had been practicing Form V for 40 years...

No, Luke has no lightsaber style.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Anakin was not at all a slow-ass learner. Not even in the slightest. While he is a bit headstrong, he does have ten less years than pretty much any other Jedi his age. Hell, he's the only exception, really. Most Jedi are trained from birth.

Luke was not better at Form V than Vader. Not by a longshot.

Luke was a much faster learner. If Anakin had started at 19, he would not nearly be as good as Luke by ROTJ.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Luke was a much faster learner. If Anakin had started at 19, he would not nearly be as good as Luke by ROTJ.

Opinion, you have nothing to back that statement up.

Luke isn't good by ROTJ. That's the thing. In comparison to Anakin by AOTC, he loses. In comparisont to Kenobi at TPM, he loses. Qui-Gon Jinn is overkill.

Zett Jukassa could take Luke.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Opinion, you have nothing to back that statement up.

"I AM a slow learner" - Anakin. He was 19 when he said that, and had already been practicing for 10 years.

Yea, Zett prolly could. So far I've pWned all the "luke is teh 00ber jedi!!11" fanboys, since no one can back anything they're up.

Luke sucks in ROTJ, give it up.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
"I AM a slow learner" - Anakin. He was 19 when he said that, and had already been practicing for 10 years.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
"I AM a slow learner" - Anakin. He was 19 when he said that, and had already been practicing for 10 years.

LOL! are you kidding me! Anakin meant that as a kinda of pigheaded insult towards Dooku, He didn't mean it literally. Anakin thought he was a FAST learner compared to everyone else (because he was). Thats why he felt Obi-Wan was holding him back. For him to say and mean "I am a slow learner" literally would go against EVERYTHING else he said in the rest of the movie..lol n00b.

I'm waiting for a responce to my above post. How did Luke know Form V?

It wasn't an insult, he meant it.

He wan't faster than Obiwan, which is why he got a lightnong bolt to the face.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I'm waiting for a responce to my above post. How did Luke know Form V?

holocrons

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
holocrons

Proof?

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Proof?

STAR WARS: The NEW Essential Chronology

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
It wasn't an insult, he meant it.

He wan't faster than Obiwan, which is why he got a lightnong bolt to the face.

No. Anakin is a pigheaded arrogant fool who thought he was the best thing since hyperdrive. He would not say that about himself literally, espicially to an enemy.

And the lightning didn't mean he was a slow learner. Hes just stupid and arrogant where Obi was not. Anakin was more skilled the Obi in ATOC, he proved that by not getting pWned near as fast against Dooku. (And by the rest of the movie)

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
STAR WARS: The NEW Essential Chronology

The Chronology cannot create canon. You have to do better than that.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
STAR WARS: The NEW Essential Chronology

Proof? Those guides not canon by any means.

And even if he did have holocrons, again, its impossible FOR ANYONE to master a lightsaber form in 6 months. Especially to the degree of THE best practitioner of Form V alive.

Absurd.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Proof? Those guides not canon by any means.

And even if he did have holocrons, again, its impossible FOR ANYONE to master a lightsaber form in 6 months. Especially to the degree of THE best practitioner of Form V alive.

Absurd.

Where else would he learn Form V?--Plo Koon's ghost?

Luke was not a master of V by ROTJ, just like Anakin was not a master in ROTS. In fact, he didn't become one until he was a borg. Dooku said Anakin was the finest Djem So fighter he had ever seen. In other words, it was Dooku's opinion----I dont think he got a chance to meet all 10,000 Jedi that were alive during the Clone Wars.

No, see I asked YOU that question. Where did Luke learn Form V? I said he didn't. You said he did. You have to prove up that he did. You have not.

And Anakin being praised as the finest Form V fighter by (arguably) the best duelist of his time is pretty damn good. Sure, Dooku didn't meet all the other Jedi, But Anakin was leagues above pretty well all the Jedi other then Mace and Yoda and arguably Obi-Wan.