TPM Qui-Gon Jiin vs. ROTJ Luke

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No, see I asked YOU that question. Where did Luke learn Form V? I said he didn't. You said he did. You have to prove up that he did. You have not.

And Anakin being praised as the finest Form V fighter by (arguably) the best duelist of his time is pretty damn good. Sure, Dooku didn't meet all the other Jedi, But Anakin was leagues above pretty well all the Jedi other then Mace and Yoda and arguably Obi-Wan.

According to anything about Luke--he used Form V. Why is the Chronology not valid?

It was still Dooku's opinion. "There's always someone better than you." Dooku just never had the chance to meet the better Form V user.

It does not fall under any canon source. Its just speculation in terms of canon. Unless you can find a real canonical souce saying Luke knew Form V as of ROTJ, then he didnt know shit as of ROTJ.

And again, YOU have to prove that what Dooku said is wrong. Got any source saying there is a better practitioner of Form V at the time? If not then what Dooku says wins over the 'nothing' that you have. Speculation isn't evidence I'm afraid.

Dooku said he was the finest HE had seen/faced. That was Dooku's opinion. I'm not saying Dooku was wrong, if Ani is the best in Dooku's opinion thats fine and dandy. But it doesn't mean Ani was the best alive.

Luke can't have known Form V. I'm ruling it out. It is, in the sense of continuity, IMPOSSIBLE.

Anakin did not literally mean "I am a slow learner." Look how he talks about himself for the rest of the movie. He thinks he's being held back, and he's only been in training for ten years, compared to the Jedi of his age group, who have at least seven to ten more years on him.

Fine then, what style did Luke use?

He didn't.

Exactly, he didnt use a style. Thats what I've been saying for the past half hour. He cant have known a style, and he especially cant have known Form V.

But its late, I'm going to read for a bit then go to bed. I leave the pWnage now to the other members. I'll be back tomorrow to laugh at what the "zOMG!!11 luke is teh 1337 jedi!!!11" fanboys come up with next.

Till tomorrow.

We saw him redirect a blaster bolt on sand skiff at the pit of carkoon, which would point to Form V. 😬

Originally posted by Captain REX
He didn't.

Well it was good enuff for him to defeat a Sith Lord......unlike Quigon.

We saw him redirect a blaster bolt on sand skiff at the pit of carkoon, which would point to Form V.

We also saw him get shot in the hand in that same sequence.

Wow, Luke rules with a saber eh?...lol 🙄

Anyways, now bed.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
We also saw him get shot in the hand in that same sequence.

Wow, Luke rules with a saber eh?...lol 🙄

BFD, nobody's perfect.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Well it was good enuff for him to defeat a Sith Lord......unlike Quigon.

Yeah, a Sith Lord who wasn't trying to kill him, was slow, noisy, and was trying to keep him in one piece so that when he turned to the Dark Side they could betray and kill Palpatine.

What an epic accomplishment for Luke. 🙄

Originally posted by IKC
Yeah, a Sith Lord who wasn't trying to kill him, was slow, noisy, and was trying to keep him in one piece so that when he turned to the Dark Side they could betray and kill Palpatine.

What an epic accomplishment for Luke. 🙄

✅ He had the mental toughness to resist coercion to the Dark Side.

Except he made a ninja scream and attacked Vader powered by the Dark Side. Only after lopping off his hand (after many baseball-bat swings) did he realize he was falling.

And that means jack in a fight.

That doesn't exactly factor into a fight to the death.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
BFD, nobody's perfect.

Same applies to Qui-Gon. He was past his prime, but he was definitely a better fighter than Luke, even if he was defeated by Maul. In turn, Maul is a better fighter than Luke as well. So is Padawan Kenobi.

Originally posted by Captain REX

Same applies to Qui-Gon. He was past his prime, but he was definitely a better fighter than Luke, even if he was defeated by Maul. In turn, Maul is a better fighter than Luke as well. So is Padawan Kenobi.

tru dat

Originally posted by Captain REX
That doesn't exactly factor into a fight to the death.

Well, seems most people have come to their senses and realised that Luke gets pwned.

Qui-Gon nubs Luke like a squeeb.

Holy Bantha!!! lot's of posts since I last checked.

The sources I've read did not say that Luke knew form V just that his style was similar to it.

I also agree that ROTJ Luke could not beat Qui Gon.

What I am saying is that you are underestimating his level of training. I doubt Yoda would have sent him after Vader if he was still at complete noob level. Luke was supposed to be the hope of the Jedi not their las joke. Yoda obviously disagreed with Luke trying to save his Father, he wanted luke to go kick some A.

You can learn basic proficiencies in 6 months, I lived in South America for a while and was speaking Spanish fine after 3 months.
And I still say luke had more than 6 months training. Who knows how much time between ESB and ROTJ Luke spent training with Yoda. And before you say it, Yoda wouldn't need a lightsaber to teach him. You don't use a real sword to learn how to use one.

Summary. Qui Gon>TPM Obi-Wan = ROTJ Luke (That equal sign should be one of those squiggly one you use in math that mean about equal, I do think Obi would be a little better, just because of more actual combat at that point.)

When he went to Vader in ESB, Yoda said he wasn't ready. Luke said he was and promised to come back, he then promptly went away to come back in ROTJ when Yoda died, he did not spend the time in between training with Yoda, he even says he's going back to his old friend to fulfill that promise he made when he left in the first place.

At that time, Luke his training was still not complete. In the time between that however Luke has done some stuff but nothing that could have learned him to fight better then Vader, he could barely construct a lightsaber with the help of Obi Wan his notes and after he did he was immediately thrown into danger and all the chances he had to learn more were removed as he went on a fool chase to find Han and Boba Fett.

He didn't have much time for training at all, and he didn't train with any Jedi so he couldn't have improved much either.