How can you say Kun did it with relative ease? That's pure speculation. That's a lot different than saying that if Luke did 1 ship he can do many, which is more logical. And for the last time bro, 1 million is not even a realistic #, Glentract proved that. Btw, controlling non sensitives is absolutely amateur for a force user.. You should know that.
How can you say Kun did it with relative ease? That's pure speculation.
No it isn't. It's a logical deduction based on scan evidence: Kun walks about, holds conversations, uses the Chancellor as a puppet, and strikes down Vodo. Obviously, he isn't struggling to maintain the spell. Indeed, it seems to be very easy for him.
That's a lot different than saying that if Luke did 1 ship he can do many, which is more logical.
No, it isn't, because you don't know the context under which he performed the feat; whether he just barely accomplished it or not.
And for the last time bro, 1 million is not even a realistic #, Glentract proved that
Really? Because I asked for his proof and got a whole lot of nothing. 1 million is a safe low number.
Btw, controlling non sensitives is absolutely amateur for a force user.. You should know that.
Wrong, controlling the weak minded is. And then, a large number of weak minded would be a completely different trick. The fact that Exar Kun was able to control such a large number of varying races, not all of whom were "weak-minded," is a testament to his power. I don't see why you keep trying to degrade it.
Uh, no evidence except for the omniscient narrator stating that he forced them to watch and not react, right? That's control, Fishy.
If you are frozen you are forced t watch as well. You can't close your eyes you can't look the other way you can't move... Thats being forced to watch, but its not really controlling them.
And he had to walk up to him? Bullshit. Prove that. You have no proof that he could not merely have forced the Chancellor to say anything from further away - Kun's penchant for the theatric doesn't mean he couldn't have accomplished his goal any other way.
actually its up to you to prove this. Seeing as we know Kun walked up to the chancelor and placed his hand on him. If you believe otherwise, you need to give a reason for that.
But he did control them and 1 million is a safe low number.
Haven't we been over this already? The stadium could never have held a million people.
Indeed, he performed his feat with relative ease. That's probably because creating tangible illusions is more difficult, I'll grant. But they are comparable inasmuch as their complexity is concerned.
I don't really see how... I mean I agree that its far more difficult to do, thats my entire point really. But its also more complex because you have to create millions of things that constantly change and adopt to whats going on around them, on several planets against god knows how many enemy's. That in its nature is more complex then freezing people.
Except you have no proof of that and it runs contrary to our ideas of how the Force works - that is, the person using it has to maintain the power for it to continue. You didn't see Sidious, for example, toss a bolt of lightning and then just sit back and watch it hit someone.
Different uses of the force.. But lets look at another part where people freeze, Kotor. I know gameplay and all, but not all of it is gameplay. Juhani for instance froze the two people that went with Revan and then started to fight, Malak froze people.. This isn't at the same scale lets make that clear first. However it is possibly the same technique in which Malak or Juhani freeze somebody then they can do stuff, eventually the person just awakens from the status. It is possible that Kun used a similair technique on a much larger scale, likely actually if you ask me.
Still no real evidence for that, and it doesn't really matter anyways. Doing it and controlling it, is probably very hard to do.
But inasmuch as Kun had to control the will of at least one million sentients and he did so without much apparent strain. They are similar in complexity, not difficulty.
I really don't see how its just as complex honestly... Especially because there is no real evidence he was controlling them.
If you are frozen you are forced t watch as well. You can't close your eyes you can't look the other way you can't move... Thats being forced to watch, but its not really controlling them.
And if you are controlled you can be "forced to watch and not react." Ergo, Kun was controlling them.
actually its up to you to prove this. Seeing as we know Kun walked up to the chancelor and placed his hand on him. If you believe otherwise, you need to give a reason for that.
No, Fishy, the onus is on you to prove the positive (that he did need to walk up to him) rather than me to prove the negative (that he didn't need to walk up to him).
Good luck with that...
Haven't we been over this already? The stadium could never have held a million people.
According to your subjective observation? That's not permissible debating material.
Note how absolutely immense the Chancellor's podium is. Also note the lack of empty seats. That building can easily house over a million.
I don't really see how... I mean I agree that its far more difficult to do, thats my entire point really. But its also more complex because you have to create millions of things that constantly change and adopt to whats going on around them, on several planets against god knows how many enemy's. That in its nature is more complex then freezing people.
No, because once created both of them were controlling a similar number of entities. By the sheer numbers one would think a single mind would never be able to control them, but they did.
Different uses of the force.. But lets look at another part where people freeze, Kotor. I know gameplay and all, but not all of it is gameplay. Juhani for instance froze the two people that went with Revan and then started to fight, Malak froze people.. This isn't at the same scale lets make that clear first. However it is possibly the same technique in which Malak or Juhani freeze somebody then they can do stuff, eventually the person just awakens from the status. It is possible that Kun used a similair technique on a much larger scale, likely actually if you ask me.
Different uses of the Force that operate under the same principle. There's nothing to suggest that Malak or Juhani just used the power and let it sit. Indeed, it's more likely that both had to maintain their hold over the subjects in question.
Still no real evidence for that, and it doesn't really matter anyways. Doing it and controlling it, is probably very hard to do.
But Exar Kun did it with apparent ease. Hence his immense power.
I really don't see how its just as complex honestly... Especially because there is no real evidence he was controlling them.
Except for what the omniscient narrator states, right?
Originally posted by IKC
And if you are controlled you can be "forced to watch and not react." Ergo, Kun was controlling them.
What kind of logic is this?
If you are frozen you can't move and you are forced to watch. Ergo Exar froze them.
Exact the same thing, does it prove anything? No. So then we have to look at what is more likely.
Does he make them do anything but stand still what freezing can also do? No.
Would it be logical to control thousands of beings when freezing them is just as effective for the desired effect? No.
Most logical conclusion they were frozen, what the narrator says can be seen in several ways and it proves nothing.
No, Fishy, the onus is on you to prove the positive (that he did need to walk up to him) rather than me to prove the negative (that he didn't need to walk up to him).Good luck with that...
What kind of bullshit is that? You are the one disagreeing with what is seen, we see him walk up to the chancelor and we see him use his hand to control the Chancelor. Then you claim he didn't need to and its up to me to prove that he did when all the evidence shows that he did? Great...
According to your subjective observation? That's not permissible debating material.
Not just mine, again we had this debate already. But the stadium from simply looking at it could not have housed a million beings, in other scans we see some seats are empty so the senate chambers wasn't even filled yet. If we compare the Stadium to other stadiums build on earth that only house 50.000 people we can see that the Size difference isn't huge. Definitly not big enough to house 20x as many people, and thats excluding guards. If we would include guards the stadium would need to be 60x as big, it simply isn't.
Note how absolutely immense the Chancellor's podium is. Also note the lack of empty seats. That building can easily house over a million.
Have you ever been to a practically filled stadium, stood at the bottom and then looked up to the top. It looks enormous even if it can only house 50.000 people.
No, because once created both of them were controlling a similar number of entities. By the sheer numbers one would think a single mind would never be able to control them, but they did.
Still there is no prove that he controlled them or that there were actually a million people there.
Different uses of the Force that operate under the same principle. There's nothing to suggest that Malak or Juhani just used the power and let it sit. Indeed, it's more likely that both had to maintain their hold over the subjects in question.
Could be, Juhani did drop her status spell when she was beaten. But that could also because the effect worked out, although its more likely the first.
But Exar Kun did it with apparent ease. Hence his immense power.Never argued otherwise.
Except for what the omniscient narrator states, right?
He doesn't even mention control, just forces them to watch. In which case freezing and controlling would do the same thing.
what the narrator says can be seen in several ways and it proves nothing.
And you've decided to see it as pure freezing while I, taking cues from their being forced to watch and not react, see it as controlling.
What kind of bullshit is that? You are the one disagreeing with what is seen, we see him walk up to the chancelor and we see him use his hand to control the Chancelor. Then you claim he didn't need to and its up to me to prove that he did when all the evidence shows that he did? Great...
What kind of bullshit is it? It's called debating, Fishy. You cannot ask me to prove a negative (that Kun didn't (negative) need to walk up to the Chancellor). Ergo, the onus is on you to prove the positive. Nothing in the dialogue, narration, or panels states that Kun needed to walk up to him to control his mind and use him as a puppet.
Ergo, you cannot prove the positive.
Not just mine, again we had this debate already. But the stadium from simply looking at it could not have housed a million beings, in other scans we see some seats are empty so the senate chambers wasn't even filled yet. If we compare the Stadium to other stadiums build on earth that only house 50.000 people we can see that the Size difference isn't huge. Definitly not big enough to house 20x as many people, and thats excluding guards. If we would include guards the stadium would need to be 60x as big, it simply isn't.Have you ever been to a practically filled stadium, stood at the bottom and then looked up to the top. It looks enormous even if it can only house 50.000 people.
Okay, you and Glentract. Stellar team, there.
Sorry, your subjective observation is not rock-solid fact. Look at the chancellor's podium again. Kun is standing right next to it and our perspective is level with him. He looks like a fly and the Chancellor's podium isn't even very big in comparison to the rest of the building!
By the way, show me some empty seats. To claim that they're empty because the artist failed to draw squiggle lines is laughable. The place was a full house.
1 million is a safe low number.
Could be, Juhani did drop her status spell when she was beaten. But that could also because the effect worked out, although its more likely the first.
Given what we know about the Force, it is proper to assume the former.
He doesn't even mention control, just forces them to watch. In which case freezing and controlling would do the same thing.
Except it couldn't have been freezing, unless you mean to tell me that Kun was already the focus of their attention before he walked in the door. Obviously he made them move their eyes (and heads) because in a building that immense, they would have missed parts or all of the action.
There you have it. Control.
Originally posted by IKC
And you've decided to see it as pure freezing while I, taking cues from their being forced to watch and not react, see it as controlling.
When you are unable to move you are also being forced to stand still and watch.
What kind of bullshit is it? It's called debating, Fishy. You cannot ask me to prove a negative (that Kun didn't (negative) need to walk up to the Chancellor). Ergo, the onus is on you to prove the positive. Nothing in the dialogue, narration, or panels states that Kun needed to walk up to him to control his mind and use him as a puppet.Ergo, you cannot prove the positive.
He didn't control the chancelor before he walked up to him and put his hand on him, the chancelor didn't say a word didn't even move. Then Kun stands there and the chancelor does. Ergo Kun needed to be there. You claiming otherwise requires prove, because the on panel evidence suggests that he did indeed need to be there, like shown.
Okay, you and Glentract. Stellar team, there.Sorry, your subjective observation is not rock-solid fact. Look at the chancellor's podium again. Kun is standing right next to it and our perspective is level with him. He looks like a fly and the Chancellor's podium isn't even very big in comparison to the rest of the building!
Comics are offline, so I can't show you pictures right now, but just look at the picture that shows the entire senate room, see how tiny that is. Go to google look up a picture from a filled stadium taken from the top, see how tiny the people are? They are somewhat comparable, the senate chambers might be bigger, but to say its at least 20x as big as a reasonably sized stadium is ridiculious saying its 60x as big (which it would be to have a million senators + guards) is even more so.
By the way, show me some empty seats. To claim that they're empty because the artist failed to draw squiggle lines is laughable. The place was a full house.
Just like its laughable to claim that Luke doesn't suck with a lightsaber because technology sucks, point is there are parts where we can see the seats... Meaning parts of it were empty.
1 million is a safe low number.
I disagree, there is no way that place could have housed a million people let alone stand a million senators plus guards.
Given what we know about the Force, it is proper to assume the former.
Agreed.
Except it couldn't have been freezing, unless you mean to tell me that Kun was already the focus of their attention before he walked in the door. Obviously he made them move their eyes (and heads) because in a building that immense, they would have missed parts or all of the action.
Really is that so? Most of the senators would have already been looking at the podium where the chancelor and Ulic were, so thats not much of a problem, seeing as you also have no evidence to even suggest Kun made them move, we can't allow this assumption to prove another assumption.
There you have it. Control.
Or freezing.
When you are unable to move you are also being forced to stand still and watch.Really is that so? Most of the senators would have already been looking at the podium where the chancelor and Ulic were, so thats not much of a problem, seeing as you also have no evidence to even suggest Kun made them move, we can't allow this assumption to prove another assumption.
Or freezing.
No, nonsense. The narration says the entire chamber is forced to watch and not react, ergo whichever Senators were looking off, picking their nose, or whatever were forced to turn their heads to Kun and the actions he performed; among them fighting Vodo, which obviously meant they moved quite a bit. Ergo, Kun had to have controlled them in order to force them to move their heads and eyes to watch his actions.
Kun controlled them and forced them to watch. QED.
He didn't control the chancelor before he walked up to him and put his hand on him, the chancelor didn't say a word didn't even move. Then Kun stands there and the chancelor does. Ergo Kun needed to be there. You claiming otherwise requires prove, because the on panel evidence suggests that he did indeed need to be there, like shown.
He didn't control the chancellor before he walked up to him, correct. What is also correct is absence of proof is not proof of absence, Fishy. It is your assumption that Kun needed to be near him and grab the back of his head to control him. Assumptions are not proof. You have not proved that he needed to grab the Chancellor in order to control him.
Prove the positive or drop the point.
but just look at the picture that shows the entire senate room, see how tiny that is. Go to google look up a picture from a filled stadium taken from the top, see how tiny the people are? They are somewhat comparable, the senate chambers might be bigger, but to say its at least 20x as big as a reasonably sized stadium is ridiculious I posted again: that's a floor-level view of the Chancellor's podium.
Uh, my scans work. Take a look at the one I posted previously, and look at the Chancellor's podium again. In that scan, we get a ground-level view of it. It's enormous. It might be as big around as the Washington Monument. The thing is immense. The entire building is immense.
Here's a bird's-eye view of it:
That building is easily many times the size of anything we have built on Earth. That combined with the fact that Star Wars technology far surpasses our own, and you have a building that can hold at least a million beings.
Just like its laughable to claim that Luke doesn't suck with a lightsaber because technology sucks, point is there are parts where we can see the seats... Meaning parts of it were empty.
Actually, you can't see the seats. I'm looking at it right now: for one, the seats in the Senate hall appear to be benches. Secondly, in every panel that has a reasonably close shot of the seats, they're filled to the brim, even in sections that were "empty" in the larger panel showing most of the inside. Ergo, the meaningless detail that the penciler didn't fill in does not indicate a lack of senators: every other panel shows that the seats were full.
I disagree, there is no way that place could have housed a million people let alone stand a million senators plus guards.
Except it did. Scans and logical deduction from PT canon contradict your subjective observation.
Originally posted by IKC
[B]No, nonsense. The narration says the entire chamber is forced to watch and not react, ergo whichever Senators were looking off, picking their nose, or whatever were forced to turn their heads to Kun and the actions he performed; among them fighting Vodo, which obviously meant they moved quite a bit. Ergo, Kun had to have controlled them in order to force them to move their heads and eyes to watch his actions.Kun controlled them and forced them to watch. QED.
Oh come on. Being "forced to watch" doesn't mean Kun made them turn their heads to focus on a certain event and he did that during the entirety of his movements in the senate chamber. If they were "forced to watch" they were simply put into a status where they weren't able to participate in the events meaning that they were frozen and nothing else.
He didn't control the chancellor before he walked up to him, correct. What is also correct is absence of proof is not proof of absence, Fishy. It is your assumption that Kun needed to be near him and grab the back of his head to control him. Assumptions are not proof. You have not proved that he needed to grab the Chancellor in order to control him.
No IKC. It's your assumption that Kun didn't have to be close to the Chancelor to control him. In fact he put his amulet on the Chancelor, then you can see the amulet working and only after that the Chancelor says what Kun dictates. So the assumption is that Kun could have done that without being close to the Chancellor where the evidence shown in the source speaks against it and not the other way around.
Prove the positive or drop the point.
You should follow that advice yourself since you can't prove that Kun could have controlled the Chancellor while being far away from him.
Except it did. Scans and logical deduction from PT canon contradict your subjective observation.
Now...what does the number of Senators have to do with the entire discussion ? Kun did use some Sith magic spell to do what he did and we don't exactly now if it needs preparation time, if yes how much time it needs and if it can be used against powerful force users like NJO Luke or DE Sidious.
As it seems it might be quite hard for Kun to deal with NJO Luke or DE Sidious alone. Combined I guess they are too much for him especially when you keep in mind that NJO Luke had already confronted Exar Kuns spirit and it's even said that Luke in that time (Jedi Knight trilogy) could have blocked the attack of Exar Kun's spirit (I guess that's why Kun never attacked Luke). The same spirit that toasted one of Luke's students and force choked the entirety of them at once.
Now even if the real Kun is exceptionally more powerful than his own spirit. The same goes for NJO Luke compared to the Luke that is descriped in the Jedi Academy trilogy. Add Sidious with his force storms and Kun will most likely go down in this fight.
I agree with that statement completely. And W00t, you need to look up the definition of argument in the dictionary because nobobdy was arguing anything. I was asking IKC how he could use his logic for 1 feat but not for the other. And yes I will keep arguing when besides IKC, some of you unueducated fans make Exar Kun look like a Force God. That's a laugh right there. I'm not denying Kun I know he was one of the MOST powerful Force Users ever but stop exaggerating his powers and downplaying others..
Oh come on. Being "forced to watch" doesn't mean Kun made them turn their heads to focus on a certain event and he did that during the entirety of his movements in the senate chamber. If they were "forced to watch" they were simply put into a status where they weren't able to participate in the events meaning that they were frozen and nothing else.
Reading comprehension is your friend. I repeat:
No, nonsense. The narration says the entire chamber is forced to watch and not react, ergo whichever Senators were looking off, picking their nose, or whatever were forced to turn their heads to Kun and the actions he performed; among them fighting Vodo, which obviously meant they moved quite a bit. Ergo, Kun had to have controlled them in order to force them to move their heads and eyes to watch his actions.Kun controlled them and forced them to watch. QED.
No IKC. It's your assumption that Kun didn't have to be close to the Chancelor to control him. In fact he put his amulet on the Chancelor, then you can see the amulet working and only after that the Chancelor says what Kun dictates. So the assumption is that Kun could have done that without being close to the Chancellor where the evidence shown in the source speaks against it and not the other way around.
No, Nai, it is your assumption that despite the lack of evidence to this point, Kun needed to be close to the Chancellor to control him. My argument (that he didn't) does not speak against the scans because there is nothing in the scans to suggest that he needed to be near him.
So prove the positive, don't ask me to prove the negative.
You should follow that advice yourself since you can't prove that Kun could have controlled the Chancellor while being far away from him.
I know English is not your first language, so I'll make it clearer:
This is asking me to prove a negative (that Kun didn't (NEGATIVE) need to be near the Chancellor).
That is a fallacy. The onus is on the opposition to prove the positive (that Kun needed to be near the Chancellor).
Now...what does the number of Senators have to do with the entire discussion ? Kun did use some Sith magic spell to do what he did and we don't exactly now if it needs preparation time, if yes how much time it needs and if it can be used against powerful force users like NJO Luke or DE Sidious.
Except no apparent time was necessary and we know that Sith magics are incredibly advanced Dark Side techniques. We cannot just assume that he needed time when there's no evidence to the fact.
The fact that he was able to do it with such ease indicates that it was not a great strain on him - because of that, it's proper to assume that the multitude he controlled is not his upper limit.
As it seems it might be quite hard for Kun to deal with NJO Luke or DE Sidious alone. Combined I guess they are too much for him especially when you keep in mind that NJO Luke had already confronted Exar Kuns spirit and it's even said that Luke in that time (Jedi Knight trilogy) could have blocked the attack of Exar Kun's spirit (I guess that's why Kun never attacked Luke). The same spirit that toasted one of Luke's students and force choked the entirety of them at once.
Except Kun's spirit was both weakened and half-mad from 4000 years of isolation, and Kun's spirit ripped Luke's from his body by controlling Kyp Durron.
DE Sidious, as I've shown in earlier threads (Exar and Ulic vs. Sidious and Dooku) is in no way comparable to Kun. He can and will go down hard, either to an amulet blast or other such Force attack or to Kun's superior dueling skills.
Luke won't be anything different, but he'll at least last longer.
IKC you are somebody who's making an assumption by saying that he didn't need too. When everything shows that he does need too. You need to prove that he doesn't, because that goes against what is shown in the comics.
We never see Vader destroying a planet with the force, but then again nothing ever says that he couldn't. So he can.
We never see Aleema blow up a star without Sadow his ship, but nothing says she couldn't so she can?
You need to prove up.
IKC you are somebody who's making an assumption by saying that he didn't need too. When everything shows that he does need too. You need to prove that he doesn't, because that goes against what is shown in the comics.
Wrong, nothing shows that he needs to, Fishy! Just because he did X doesn't mean he can't do Y, because absence of proof is not proof of absence!
The onus is on you to prove the positive, not me to prove the negative. Learn to debate.
Dude...
Did you ever see Revan destroying a star? Absence of proof is not proof of absence so he can.
Did we see Aleema destroying a star without a ship? No, but absence of proof is not proof of absence so she can.
Did we ever see a japanese samurai kill ten million people with his barehands in an hour? No, but absence of proof is not proof of absence so he can.
Thats your logic here... Its not a logical assumption to make that he can do it. A logical assumption would be that he could have blasted the chancelor away with his amulet, and that wouldn't really require prove. However this an assumption with nothing in favour of it, nothing to suggest its true, absolutely nothing. You need to prove up.
Did you ever see Revan destroying a star? Absence of proof is not proof of absence so he can.
Do you have a premise to go on with this? What's that? No?
Did we see Aleema destroying a star without a ship? No, but absence of proof is not proof of absence so she can.
Do you have a premise to go on with this? What's that? No?
Did we ever see a japanese samurai kill ten million people with his barehands in an hour? No, but absence of proof is not proof of absence so he can.
Do you have a premise to go on with this? What's that? No?
Thats your logic here... Its not a logical assumption to make that he can do it. A logical assumption would be that he could have blasted the chancelor away with his amulet, and that wouldn't really require prove. However this an assumption with nothing in favour of it, nothing to suggest its true, absolutely nothing. You need to prove up.
It is a logical assumption to make given that he performed the action and distance was not mentioned in dialogue, narration, nor anywhere else in the scans as a prerequisite for said action. Ergo, unless you have proof to the positive (that he needed to be close) then it is reasonable to assume that he could have performed the action regardless of reasonable distances.
Asking me to prove a negative is a fallacy. Prove the positive or drop the point.
And do you have a logical reason to assume he could, when the control argument you made is wrong. Dude you love Exar I can understand that, but you are just not using logic right now. You are ignoring the fact that we see on screen on panel evidence that he goes there and then manipulates the Chancelor with his hand on the Chancelor his head and the amulet seems to be doing some of the work. Thats what we know.
You are assuming that he can do it without, without on screen evidence, without the narrator saying anything of that matter. Without any reason for it, prove up. That is your job now. Its not your job to prove that Revan can't blow up stars, you would never succeed if I claim he can. It would be my job to prove up that he could.
And proving a negative or a possitive can easily be changed by just changed are to aren't or is to isn't. Prove up or admit to the fact that he couldn't, when there is no reasom to assume that he could.
Originally posted by IKC
I know English is not your first language, so I'll make it clearer:This is asking me to prove a negative (that Kun didn't (NEGATIVE) need to be near the Chancellor).
That is a fallacy. The onus is on the opposition to prove the positive (that Kun needed to be near the Chancellor).
Do you want to piss me off IKC ?
I'm asking you to prove a positive. I asked you to provide proof that Exar could have done the manipulation from a far distance. And you can't do this because their is nothing indicating that Kun can do it from a greater distance so this is your assumption and you have no proof for it.
In fact you are asking us to proof a negative because you demand proof for Kun not being able to control the Chancellor from a far distance when there is nothing indicating that he could have done it. And please stop questioning my reading comprehension or English skills to cover up your own mistakes.
Except no apparent time was necessary and we know that Sith magics are incredibly advanced Dark Side techniques. We cannot just assume that he needed time when there's no evidence to the fact.
It's nice what you know. I wonder why Kun keeps covering on Ossus or why he even gets attacked if all he has to do was snapping his fingers to freeze any opposition. What we know is, that Sith magic was a ritualized form of Dark Side use - ever seen "blink-of-an-eye-rituals" going on somewhere ? Because I didn't...
Except Kun's spirit was both weakened and half-mad from 4000 years of isolation, and Kun's spirit ripped Luke's from his body by controlling Kyp Durron.
Anderson tells us that Luke could have withstand the attack from Kun alone even at this point. And yes...Kun was a half-mad and 4000 year old spirit but still far away from being helpless.
DE Sidious, as I've shown in earlier threads (Exar and Ulic vs. Sidious and Dooku) is in no way comparable to Kun. He can and will go down hard, either to an amulet blast or other such Force attack or to Kun's superior dueling skills.
The point is that this is Kun vs DE Sidious and NJO Luke at once. Can Luke keep Kun busy until Sidious can unleash a force storm ? Possibly. Can Kun take out force users of that calibre with blasts from his amulets ? This can be argued. You can look at it like you want but this would surely be no easy thing for Kun that will be over in the matter of seconds.
