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Very Few Intelligent people in the Superman forum so ill put this here ! 😉

The question is do Supermans powers really come from Solar radiation ?

My oppinion :

Its believed that Supes powers are derived from the absorption of Solar energy. I’m not convinced, the feats Supes regularly performs suggest an alternate, but more powerful energy source. The absorption of Yellow Solar energy may be the key to unlocking this Meta ability.

All of Superman’s powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of Supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

I theorise this photosynthetic process may kick start some form of matter to energy conversion. I.e. his food is converted to pure energy I.e. E=MC2. Imagine every time he eats, he’s consuming more energy than a nuclear megatons warhead.

Now its unlikely that this process can occur in his cells, as his molecules would be ‘annihilated’ by the energy conversion. I therefore theorise that his body maybe linked to a form of Hyper space (Another Dimension) such as the phantom zone. It is here that this matter to energy conversion may occur. Hyper Space could also explain his other abilities such as Flight, Heat Vision and ‘Super Breathe’. It would also incorporate the popular theory of tactile telekinesis.

Complexity is measured on how much energy a given amount of mass can manipulate. As we know the Kryptonian’s are second only to the New Gods and the Guardians in advancements in science. Its therefore probable to suggest that they found a way to give the Kryptonian cell the power of the Atom.

Maybe there’s an even greater energy source, Have any of you any ideas how Supes powers could be developed ?

What is the energy source that Powers the Hulk ?

I've heard that the gamma radiation only opens a dimension, which not only provides his extra mass but also is the source of his near limitless power. Any ideas what this energy source maybe ?

I think it may be a pocket of 'psionic' energy/particles that is controlled by Bruce Banners ID. This would explain why his strength is derived from his emotional and therefore psychic state. Maybe the extra mass is psionic particles which Bruce's subconscious 'ID' (Look up Sigmund Freud) control on a basic level. As the 'Id' by nature is immature, Bruce can only do basic things with these particles i.e. move them as if they were part of his own body. As Bruce's 'Id' becomes more frustrated the psionic energy controlling the particles becomes more intense, therefore the movement of the particles becomes more violent.

This would also explain the Hulks durability and Healing factor. In other words the Hulk is unaware that he has a subconscious (The ID) form matter manipulation. This power will never develop further, as the Hulk is basically a retard !!!!!!!

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Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
What is the energy source that Powers the Hulk ?

I've heard that the gamma radiation only opens a dimension, which not only provides his extra mass but also is the source of his near limitless power. Any ideas what this energy source maybe ?

I think it may be a pocket of 'psionic' energy/particles that is controlled by Bruce Banners ID. This would explain why his strength is derived from his emotional and therefore psychic state. Maybe the extra mass is psionic particles which Bruce's subconscious 'ID' (Look up Sigmund Freud) control on a basic level. As the 'Id' by nature is immature, Bruce can only do basic things with these particles i.e. move them as if they were part of his own body. As Bruce's 'Id' becomes more frustrated the psionic energy controlling the particles becomes more intense, therefore the movement of the particles becomes more violent.

This would also explain the Hulks durability and Healing factor. In other words the Hulk is unaware that he has a subconscious (The ID) form matter manipulation. This power will never develop further, as the Hulk is basically a retard !!!!!!! 🙂

I'm so glad you asked. Below is a post I initially put in a Hulk thread sometime ago. Hey, GMTA.

"The Hulk's power is ultimately grounded in psionics.

The gamma rays changed those parts of Banner's brain which affected aggressive feelings, behavior and strength--the "fight" part of the fight/flight response. They also skewed his brain's ability to sense the universal psionic field (yknow, the one so many other heroes tap into). When Bruce gets pissed, that ability kicks in, creating an intense, but localized conversion of energy into matter.

The energy comes from the quantum vacuum, a frothing of virtual particles. These ghost particles are empowered psionically. This is where all the Hulk's mass comes from: matter out of the vacuum of space, being adapted by his Fight response. It also provides the virtually unlimited wellspring of energy from him to draw on, as he gets angrier and angrier.

This explains why his pants are nigh-indestructible. The Hulk may be monstrous but he's still human. At a deeply unconscious level, Bruce's modesty is still fractionally intact. As the pants are damaged, they are instantly regenerated (as best as possible), just like the Hulk's body regenerates (only living tissue takes longer cuz it's more complex).

This explains why the Hulk can see astral forms, and why he can always find his way back to where he was created.

Bruce, you psionic maniac you... "

I also would tend to agree with your re-assessment of Superman's power source. I had posted in a "Who can survive a nuke" thread an analysis of solar absorption. In a nutshell, even if Superman were completely naked so he could absorb solar energy with all his skin, at the rate sunlight falls (joules/sq cm), and given the surface of his skin, he would have to absorb solar energy for 500,000 years before he had enough power to counter the explosive force of just one megaton nuke.
Clearly, something more is needed.

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm so glad you asked. Below is a post I initially put in a Hulk thread sometime ago. Hey, GMTA.

"The Hulk's power is ultimately grounded in psionics.

The gamma rays changed those parts of Banner's brain which affected aggressive feelings, behavior and strength--the "fight" part of the fight/flight response. They also skewed his brain's ability to sense the universal psionic field (yknow, the one so many other heroes tap into). When Bruce gets pissed, that ability kicks in, creating an intense, but localized conversion of energy into matter.

The energy comes from the quantum vacuum, a frothing of virtual particles. These ghost particles are empowered psionically. This is where all the Hulk's mass comes from: matter out of the vacuum of space, being adapted by his Fight response. It also provides the virtually unlimited wellspring of energy from him to draw on, as he gets angrier and angrier.

This explains why his pants are nigh-inderstructible. The Hulk may be monstrous but he's still human. At a deeply unconscious level, Bruce's modesty is still fractionally intact. As the pants are damaged, they are instantly regenerated (as best as possible), just like the Hulk's body regenerates (only living tissue takes longer cuz it's more complex).

This explains why the Hulk can see astral forms, and why he can always find his way back to where he was created.

Bruce, you psionic maniac you... "

I like the emotional connection between his mood and his power and it hints some form psionic involvement. A bit like the link between Gladiators power and his confidence.

Where these psionic particles come from is anyones guess. I like the idea of the quantum foam its definitely an untapped resource in comics. After all its the 'home' of wormholes and Zero point energy as well as the Planck length.

I also agree with connection between the gamma rays, and Bruce's emotional state. Like Doctor Jekyll's potion, the gamma rays act as the catalyst that release the incarnation of the 'ID' i.e. Mr Hyde. 🙂

I think the hole scenario can be turned into a metaphor of how humans can misuse Ultimate power. Hulk has a GODLIKE energy source at his disposal. Yet he is incapable of controlling it, blinded by his most basic and instinctual desires. It therefore successfully shows the dangers of embracing the basic and savage nature of our ID.

A couple things about Galactus and the PC:

Does Galactus actually impart power cosmic to his heralds, or does he give them the ability to tap into the power cosmic?

If the former, then that could be the reason that his hunger has grown. IIRC, his hunger didn't increase until after he started making heralds. Perhaps because he is giving of himself his hunger grows because he has less power.

I also wonder if, since the death of Galactus will spell the end of the universe, his hunger is little more than a black hole of unbelievable proportions that is unleashed upon his death. That would explain why, even though Galactus is incredibly powerful, he often doesn't fare too well in combat. Most of his energy goes to keeping this singularity in check. I wonder if that's what brought about the end of the previous universe.

Speaking of which, did anyone see the article last year about how we can survive the end of the universe? It was in Scientific American or something like that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
A couple things about Galactus and the PC:

Speaking of which, did anyone see the article last year about how we can survive the end of the universe? It was in Scientific American or something like that.

No i havn't, but i'ver read a little about it .... doesn't require 'tunneling' into another universe via a wormhole ?

I like youre theory about Galactus and the the black hole !!!!!!! 🙂

Perhaps the gamma explosion that Banner was exposed to created a kind of dimensional rift that has become either localized inside of Banner's mind/body or which his mind can now re-open (were not really sure what kind of bomb it was anyway and his ability to access it may be the result of an unknown latent mutation of Banners as his father was exposed to radiation).

Now somehow the emotions that he was feeling at the time of the exposure (fear, anxiety, anger at being there) trigger the opening of said rift and give him access to an undisclosed amounts of energy and mass. The angrier he gets (or the more his mind resembles the state it was at the time of exposure) then the larger the rift opens. Just a thought. 😄

Originally posted by TheKahn
Perhaps the gamma explosion that Banner was exposed to created a kind of dimensional rift that has become either localized inside of Banner's mind/body or which his mind can now re-open (were not really sure what kind of bomb it was anyway and his ability to access it may be the result of an unknown latent mutation of Banners as his father was exposed to radiation).

Now somehow the emotions that he was feeling at the time of the exposure (fear, anxiety, anger at being there) trigger the opening of said rift and give him access to an undisclosed amounts of energy and mass. The angrier he gets (or the more his mind resembles the state it was at the time of exposure) then the larger the rift opens. Just a thought. 😄

IMO its very similar to my original theory .... (no offense), but i think you're missing the point about Stans Lees intentions about the Hulk.

I've heard that Lee was trying to emulate the Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde story of the Victorian era. The story mirrors the Victorian perspective on the human Psyche, by depicting Sigmund Freud's Super Ego suppressed by chemicals and therefore creating an out of control unreasonable monster, in the form of Mister Hyde. The Id incarnate.

Also, although you have explained where the additional matter and energy originate from, you have failed clarified how Bruce Banner is able to control these factors. Large amounts of energy and matter, rarely ever form coherent systems such as living cells. They usually collapse into simple structures such as Suns or Black holes, such is the chaotic nature of the universe.

Sorry for the criticism but this is a debate forum, i did love your quantum perspective on the omega effect. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No i havn't, but i'ver read a little about it .... doesn't require 'tunneling' into another universe via a wormhole ?

I like youre theory about Galactus and the the black hole !!!!!!! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
IMO its very similar to my original theory .... (no offense), but i think you're missing the point about Stans Lees intentions about the Hulk.

I've heard that Lee was trying to emulate the Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde story of the Victorian era. The story mirrors the Victorian perspective on the human Psyche, by depicting Sigmund Freud's Super Ego suppressed by chemicals and therefore creating an out of control unreasonable monster, in the form of Mister Hyde. The Id incarnate.

Also, although you have explained where the additional matter and energy originate from, you have failed clarified how Bruce Banner is able to control these factors. Large amounts of energy and matter, rarely ever form coherent systems such as living cells. They usually collapse into simple structures such as Suns or Black holes, such is the chaotic nature of the universe.

Sorry for the criticism but this is a debate forum, i did love your quantum perspective on the omega effect. 🙂

Oh, it cool. No offense taken 😄 .
Sorry, I didn't see your post before but I'm thinking you're on the right track. He would need some way to control/manipulate the energy and mass he was recieveing.

How about this: Could the Hulk be in contact with a patron deity like Juggernaut? This could explain the control over the added energy and mass as it would be the actions of another being. Perhaps Banner's bravery at the time of the explosion or his uniquely screwed up mind was enough to catch this deity's attention and Hulk was made his exemplar.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Very Few Intelligent people in the Superman forum so ill put this here ! 😉

The question is do Supermans powers really come from Solar radiation ?

My oppinion :

Its believed that Supes powers are derived from the absorption of Solar energy. I’m not convinced, the feats Supes regularly performs suggest an alternate, but more powerful energy source. The absorption of Yellow Solar energy may be the key to unlocking this Meta ability.

All of Superman’s powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of Supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

I theorise this photosynthetic process may kick start some form of matter to energy conversion. I.e. his food is converted to pure energy I.e. E=MC2. Imagine every time he eats, he’s consuming more energy than a nuclear megatons warhead.

Now its unlikely that this process can occur in his cells, as his molecules would be ‘annihilated’ by the energy conversion. I therefore theorise that his body maybe linked to a form of Hyper space (Another Dimension) such as the phantom zone. It is here that this matter to energy conversion may occur. Hyper Space could also explain his other abilities such as Flight, Heat Vision and ‘Super Breathe’. It would also incorporate the popular theory of tactile telekinesis.

Complexity is measured on how much energy a given amount of mass can manipulate. As we know the Kryptonian’s are second only to the New Gods and the Guardians in advancements in science. Its therefore probable to suggest that they found a way to give the Kryptonian cell the power of the Atom.

Maybe there’s an even greater energy source, Have any of you any ideas how Supes powers could be developed ?

My opinion was always that Kal-El was genetically altered by his father before he was sent to earth. The matter energy conversion you explained may be what Jor-El altered Superman to take advantage of. I just have a hard time seeing a standard kryptonian body being able to regulate such processes just by being exposed to yellow sunlight.

Or an alternate theory may be that Kryptonians were on the verge of evolving a way of connecting to the source (similar to the New Gods) at the time of their destruction. We know from the Phantom Zone Projector that their science as advanced enough to be able to open up portal to other dimensions. Superman's exposure to yellow sunlight may have been only the catalysts that finally established his connection. This could explain the extra energy he seems to have as well as explain how he was able to block the Omega Effect.

Originally posted by TheKahn
My opinion was always that Kal-El was genetically altered by his father before he was sent to earth. The matter energy conversion you explained may be what Jor-El altered Superman to take advantage of. I just have a hard time seeing a standard kryptonian body being able to regulate such processes just by being exposed to yellow sunlight.

Or an alternate theory may be that Kryptonians were on the verge of evolving a way of connecting to the source (similar to the New Gods) at the time of their destruction. We know from the Phantom Zone Projector that their science as advanced enough to be able to open up portal to other dimensions. Superman's exposure to yellow sunlight may have been only the catalysts that finally established his connection. This could explain the extra energy he seems to have as well as explain how he was able to block the Omega Effect.

Superman is just plain nutzo powerful

Originally posted by TheKahn
How about this: Could the Hulk be in contact with a patron deity like Juggernaut? This could explain the control over the added energy and mass as it would be the actions of another being. Perhaps Banner's bravery at the time of the explosion or his uniquely screwed up mind was enough to catch this deity's attention and Hulk was made his exemplar.

I love the concept, although i think the Hulk is more of a Punnishment than a reward .... The Cosmic DEITY abstract known only as the Super Ego creates the Hulk, the living embodyment of man's missuse of power, and its embracement of the ID. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I love the concept, although i think the Hulk is more of a Punnishment than a reward .... The Cosmic DEITY abstract known only as the Super Ego creates the Hulk, the living embodyment of man's missuse of power, and its embracement of the ID. 🙂

Maybe the deity is a real dick. 😄

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Speaking of which, did anyone see the article last year about how we can survive the end of the universe? It was in Scientific American or something like that.

I never saw that article. I wonder if it talked about the same thing Stephen Baxter dramatized in his scifi novel "Ring." The most advanced race in the universe built an immense doorway into another universe (we're talking lightyears across), through which all the other civilizations could escape (although they werent running from a Big Crunch; nonetheless it would still accomplish the same end).

Originally posted by TheKahn
He would need some way to control/manipulate the energy and mass he was recieveing.

The control could be subconscious/psiconscious. After all, Freud was right when he said the mind is like an iceberg: most of it is unseen but nonetheless more potent than our conscious mind.

Originally posted by Mindship
The control could be subconscious/psiconscious. After all, Freud was right when he said the mind is like an iceberg: most of it is unseen but nonetheless more potent than our conscious mind.

I didn't know that ... see its all fitting into place !!!!!!!! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Very Few Intelligent people in the Superman forum so ill put this here ! 😉

The question is do Supermans powers really come from Solar radiation ?

My oppinion :

Its believed that Supes powers are derived from the absorption of Solar energy. I’m not convinced, the feats Supes regularly performs suggest an alternate, but more powerful energy source. The absorption of Yellow Solar energy may be the key to unlocking this Meta ability.

All of Superman’s powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of Supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

I theorise this photosynthetic process may kick start some form of matter to energy conversion. I.e. his food is converted to pure energy I.e. E=MC2. Imagine every time he eats, he’s consuming more energy than a nuclear megatons warhead.

Now its unlikely that this process can occur in his cells, as his molecules would be ‘annihilated’ by the energy conversion. I therefore theorise that his body maybe linked to a form of Hyper space (Another Dimension) such as the phantom zone. It is here that this matter to energy conversion may occur. Hyper Space could also explain his other abilities such as Flight, Heat Vision and ‘Super Breathe’. It would also incorporate the popular theory of tactile telekinesis.

Complexity is measured on how much energy a given amount of mass can manipulate. As we know the Kryptonian’s are second only to the New Gods and the Guardians in advancements in science. Its therefore probable to suggest that they found a way to give the Kryptonian cell the power of the Atom.

Maybe there’s an even greater energy source, Have any of you any ideas how Supes powers could be developed ?

in the past, i've read META-ATP as K-ATP, but your theory soudns similar to others i've read. i don't think you need to go into hyperspace though. if you assume his bioelectric field envelops each individual cell, each cell would be able to withstand 1000s of times more energy conversion than our regualr cells. throw on top of that the fact that kryptonians are bio-engineered to begin with and that they are generally viewed to be 'physically perfect' (well beyond regular humans) and that perhaps their bodies are simply more efficient (as well as more capable) of energy conversion than our own, and i think biology alone can be used to explain his powers. don't forget too, that krypton was a massive planet, and even at base strengths kryptonians are FAR stronger than humans.

100s of times more efficient. nigh-indestructible cells courtesy of invulnerability that extends to the cellular level. a base level of physical power well beyond our own.

also consider the advances in mental development kryptonians have made -- both science-wise (intelligence) and tp-wise (pure mental abilities). torquasm-vo may simply be an offshoot of the tactile telekinesis that would explain so many things. perhaps his heat vision is simply one more offshoot of a developing competence in the area of mental prowess.