Originally posted by Mindship
I never saw that article. I wonder if it talked about the same thing Stephen Baxter dramatized in his scifi novel "Ring." The most advanced race in the universe built an immense doorway into another universe (we're talking lightyears across), through which all the other civilizations could escape (although they werent running from a Big Crunch; nonetheless it would still accomplish the same end).
I'm reading a Baxter called "Exultant" at the moment
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I'm reading a Baxter called "Exultant" at the moment
Baxter aint the best when it comes to developing characters. But he is outstanding when it comes to integrating the latest scientific theories into Big Ideas, Ideas which in past works typically span most of Space and Time.
Xeelee Sequence (I think "Ring" is his best work, of those I've read)
Manifold Series
Lemme know how "Exultant" turns out.
Originally posted by Mindship
Baxter aint the best when it comes to developing characters. But he is outstanding when it comes to integrating the latest scientific theories into Big Ideas, Ideas which in past works typically span most of Space and Time.Xeelee Sequence (I think "Ring" is his best work, of those I've read)
Manifold SeriesLemme know how "Exultant" turns out.
I agree and I liked "Ring" also 🙂 I will matey 🙂
coupla things.. Lee actually created hulk as a homage to frankenstein not jekyll and hyde., tho it is easy to make that connection. with regards to superman, maybe this sounds weird, but i think supes IS actually absorbing the amounts of solar energy that Mindship mentioned and even beyond, cuz that would explain why he projects a skin level nigh impenetrable aura, just picture static electricity, you rub your shoes on the carpet fast enuff and you'll be able to generate a static charge.
i believe this is how supes absorption works, his body is basically a powerplant for raw energy, and his individual molecules absorb energy so rapidly, that after his body gets the energy needed for sustenance the excess is converted into waste that makes its way upward to his skin, thats why is invulnerbality seems to be constant,(unless there is magic, kryptonite, or red solar enuergy is around) cuz the outward energy is being contantly replaced by a fresh batch..i dont know i could be wrong..
as for the hulk its quite likley that his extra mass comes from hyper space, and that the gamma radiation just gave his cellular structure the ability to open microspcopic apertures in his body to allow energies to flood in from hyperspace,( which he does pscionically) or it could be in tru hyper space fashion that every possible version of Banner's body exists in different dimesnions, possibly pocket dimensions in his own psyche that exists independently from real world space...THAT WOULD CERTAINLY explain why he has the yet unexplored potential to transform into soooooooooooooo many different hulks[guilt, and devil hulk included] and it WOULD CERTAINLY explain why once upon a time banner was able to separate from the hulk altogther and still maintain two different bodies.. so im thinking that banner has the subconcious ability to shift around his other-dimensional selves while still maintaining his 616 mind. and to take it a step further, every single banner that exists in every single reality probably are just time sharing the bank of all these hulk bodies that reside in the higher planes and dont even know it.
Originally posted by manjaro
coupla things.. Lee actually created hulk as a homage to frankenstein not jekyll and hyde., tho it is easy to make that connection. with regards to superman, maybe this sounds weird, but i think supes IS actually absorbing the amounts of solar energy that Mindship mentioned and even beyond, cuz that would explain why he projects a skin level nigh impenetrable aura, just picture static electricity, you rub your shoes on the carpet fast enuff and you'll be able to generate a static charge.i believe this is how supes absorption works, his body is basically a powerplant for raw energy, and his individual molecules absorb energy so rapidly, that after his body gets the energy needed for sustenance the excess is converted into waste that makes its way upward to his skin, thats why is invulnerbality seems to be constant,(unless there is magic, kryptonite, or red solar enuergy is around) cuz the outward energy is being contantly replaced by a fresh batch..i dont know i could be wrong..
as for the hulk its quite likley that his extra mass comes from hyper space, and that the gamma radiation just gave his cellular structure the ability to open microspcopic apertures in his body to allow energies to flood in from hyperspace,( which he does pscionically) or it could be in tru hyper space fashion that every possible version of Banner's body exists in different dimesnions, possibly pocket dimensions in his own psyche that exists independently from real world space...THAT WOULD CERTAINLY explain why he has the yet unexplored potential to transform into soooooooooooooo many different hulks[guilt, and devil hulk included] and it WOULD CERTAINLY explain why once upon a time banner was able to separate from the hulk altogther and still maintain two different bodies.. so im thinking that banner has the subconcious ability to shift around his other-dimensional selves while still maintaining his 616 mind. and to take it a step further, every single banner that exists in every single reality probably are just time sharing the bank of all these hulk bodies that reside in the higher planes and dont even know it.
All true Jaro 🙂
I attribute Supes powers to be more of a subconscious mental/natural ability. The sunlight is simply a catalyst for the rest of his power base. I don't see it as any different than Storm eating a slice of pizza. While the pizza gives her energy once digested...it doesn't give her the power to control the weather directly.
Supes takes in sunlight, it's stored in his cells, and then subconsciously converted into whatever he needs. Whether it may be flight, Super hearing, or freeze breath. If it was just redirected sunlight, he wouldn't exhibit many of his abilities.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I attribute Supes powers to be more of a subconscious mental/natural ability. The sunlight is simply a catalyst for the rest of his power base. I don't see it as any different than Storm eating a slice of pizza. While the pizza gives her energy once digested...it doesn't give her the power to control the weather directly.Supes takes in sunlight, it's stored in his cells, and then subconsciously converted into whatever he needs. Whether it may be flight, Super hearing, or freeze breath. If it was just redirected sunlight, he wouldn't exhibit many of his abilities.
I dont disagree, the problem that Mindsip and i were trying to solve is the fact that the suns radiation alone doesn't provide enough energy. Its just not powerful enough.
Originally posted by manjaro
coupla things.. Lee actually created hulk as a homage to frankenstein not jekyll and hyde., tho it is easy to make that connection. with regards to superman, maybe this sounds weird, but i think supes IS actually absorbing the amounts of solar energy that Mindship mentioned and even beyond, cuz that would explain why he projects a skin level nigh impenetrable aura, just picture static electricity, you rub your shoes on the carpet fast enuff and you'll be able to generate a static charge.i believe this is how supes absorption works, his body is basically a powerplant for raw energy, and his individual molecules absorb energy so rapidly, that after his body gets the energy needed for sustenance the excess is converted into waste that makes its way upward to his skin, thats why is invulnerbality seems to be constant,(unless there is magic, kryptonite, or red solar enuergy is around) cuz the outward energy is being contantly replaced by a fresh batch..i dont know i could be wrong..
as for the hulk its quite likley that his extra mass comes from hyper space, and that the gamma radiation just gave his cellular structure the ability to open microspcopic apertures in his body to allow energies to flood in from hyperspace,( which he does pscionically) or it could be in tru hyper space fashion that every possible version of Banner's body exists in different dimesnions, possibly pocket dimensions in his own psyche that exists independently from real world space...THAT WOULD CERTAINLY explain why he has the yet unexplored potential to transform into soooooooooooooo many different hulks[guilt, and devil hulk included] and it WOULD CERTAINLY explain why once upon a time banner was able to separate from the hulk altogther and still maintain two different bodies.. so im thinking that banner has the subconcious ability to shift around his other-dimensional selves while still maintaining his 616 mind. and to take it a step further, every single banner that exists in every single reality probably are just time sharing the bank of all these hulk bodies that reside in the higher planes and dont even know it.
While I would still debate just how much solar energy Superman can absorb per unit time (given the rate solar energy falls on Earth per sq cm, and the surface area of his skin), I really like your Hulk explanation as to where all the different Hulk versions come from. Well done.
Isn't giving serious scientific discussion to nonsense a blast? 😄
Here is one to debate about. If Superman had wasted most of his reserves fighting Doomsday, had NO mental processes working, and was kept out of the sun while he was dead...how is it that his body was still invulnerable?
Cadmus couldn't penetrate his body even after death to clone Superboy...they had to get creative...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Here is one to debate about. If Superman had wasted most of his reserves fighting Doomsday, had NO mental processes working, and was kept out of the sun while he was dead...how is it that his body was still invulnerable?Cadmus couldn't penetrate his body even after death to clone Superboy...they had to get creative...
I propose that--like with a human being--it took time for all his cells to die. Some residual energy remained. And so great was his living invulnerability that even in death, this residual, slowly receding energy was too much for Cadmus.
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Originally posted by leonidas
in the past, i've read META-ATP as K-ATP, but your theory soudns similar to others i've read. i don't think you need to go into hyperspace though. if you assume his bioelectric field envelops each individual cell, each cell would be able to withstand 1000s of times more energy conversion than our regualr cells. throw on top of that the fact that kryptonians are bio-engineered to begin with and that they are generally viewed to be 'physically perfect' (well beyond regular humans) and that perhaps their bodies are simply more efficient (as well as more capable) of energy conversion than our own, and i think biology alone can be used to explain his powers. don't forget too, that krypton was a massive planet, and even at base strengths kryptonians are FAR stronger than humans.100s of times more efficient. nigh-indestructible cells courtesy of invulnerability that extends to the cellular level. a base level of physical power well beyond our own.
also consider the advances in mental development kryptonians have made -- both science-wise (intelligence) and tp-wise (pure mental abilities). torquasm-vo may simply be an offshoot of the tactile telekinesis that would explain so many things. perhaps his heat vision is simply one more offshoot of a developing competence in the area of mental prowess.
I disagree Leo. To my knowledge there is nothing (and there never will be) in biological diversity that can withsatnd the immense pressures and temps of the matter to energy conversion. We're talking about the amounts of energies realeased when Anti matter comes into contact with 'ordinary' matter. The gamma rays alone will kill anything biological, therefore i hypothesise that there must be some form of extra dimensional interactions. Not only to protect his cells from the energy conversion, but to also to create the conditions needed to collapse matter into pure energy.
As we know, string theory predicts that our universe is one of many (maybe infinite) branes, that are floating and expanding into 11 dimesnional hyperspace. Its theorised that the conditions and laws of physics of each of these universes maybe completely diffrent from our own. One of these various universe may even cause the collapse of matter into pure energy.
As mentioned before by manipulating space, and effecting the the Force Fundamental one can efffect the conditions of any universe. Its not hard to imagine the Kryptonians creating such technology and therefore siphning the immense energies of the physical universe.
What is percieved as supermans bioelectric aura, is actually an echo of Hyper spatial particles/technologies interacting with Supermans 3D body. These extra dimensional nano devices can account for all his powers.
I.e. when we see Supes flying, the nano devices are just dragging his body via hyper space. His super strength is cellular level hydraullics working via Hyper space. His invunerability is the same Hyper spatial devices bonding his bio molecules more tightly than any form of electro magnetic field. The enrgy provided for these interactions is siphoned off the matter to energy conversion that also exists in Hypert Space.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think Supes powers are psionic. Hence Superboys tactile TK!
True .... but i belive that all exsotic (Sorry spell checker is not working) energies and forms of sentient/trascendent/mystical matter are actually the 3D echoes of AI Hyper Dimesnional tech. Like Hoyles (It probably isnt Hoyle's theory) theory that photons travelling through the vacuum are actually vibrations from Hyper space. What we percieve as Forces and energies, are actually Extra Dimensional interactions. Tacktile T.K. is nothing more than the mental controll of sophisticated hyper dimensional robots. Supes 3D mind just perceives it as 'mind over matter'.
I know im wrong but it sounds cool, and its theorectically more plausible than energies controlled by the mind.
Another Question ?
Its about time we put a universally comprehendible theory to the mysterious 'Strength Force' (Discovered by Wickerman) !
When characters use their strength to mysteriously increase their durability and balance. (E.G. Doomsday isnt sent flying into the North Pole, everytime Supes punches him in metropolis). The ability to manipulate this power varies from opponent to opponent.
E.G. one minute the Hulk can withstand hits from Moljnir, the next time he is getting beaten up by the Thing.
Another example of the 'Strength Force' in action, is when characters use their immense strengths to defy the laws of physics and lift seemingly impossibly massive objects.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I take its psions = the fundamental particle of the psionic force ?
psions are to mental energy what gravitons are to gravity. So yup!! They are a theoretical subatomic particle that interacts with the other subatomic particles changing the nature of reality through altering all fundemental forces.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
psions are to mental energy what gravitons are to gravity. So yup!! They are a theoretical subatomic particle that interacts with the other subatomic particles changing the nature of reality through altering all fundemental forces.
More 2-cents worth.
Personally, what I don't like about postulating psions as the quanta of psionic energy is that, IMO, it smacks too much of a "business as usual" approach to physics. "Here's a force, here's its particle, here's what it does." Too much of how we understand things now, when perhaps we oughta be thinking "outside the box."
Consider: when we think of telekinesis we tend to imagine (in this case) psions being emitted from point A (the brain), traveling through space and time in a nice classical/Newtonian manner, until it reaches point B (the target). This is not consistent with TK/PK experiments that have been done, going all the way back to Rhine's experiments at Duke University. What has been consistent in all experiments (at least as far as I'm aware) is that physical factors (eg, distance, mass/shape of target, number of targets) don't affect results so much as psychological factors (eg, motivation, fatigue). Therefore, I don't think a Newtonian approach is the way to go with psionics.
An alternative might be this, returning to my "psiconscious" approach.
You see a cup on a table. Comprising the cup are its trillions upon trillions of atoms, all vibrating, but we don't notice the vibrations cuz it's all random in all directions: it all cancels out. However, quantum mechanics says there is that infinitesmially small probability that all the cup's atoms will vibrate in the same direction at the same time, in which case the cup would move in that direction.
Telekinesis is simply the invoking of that extreme probability. There is no energy going from point A to point B. Rather, the consciousness of the TKer, being aware of quantum wavefunctioning and therefore all probabilities, is able to locate and bring to the fore that extremely rare situation, where all the atoms vibrate in same direction at same time.
The one "drawback" (?) to this approach is that it implies a Cosmos where Consciousness is the foundation of reality, not physical matter/energy. It implies an "essence before existence" philosophy, not an "existence before essence" one. On the other hand, if you're gonna postulate hypothetical psions or psionic energy, is Consciousness that much more of a stretch.
In any event, this approach has the added advantage (I think) of not necessarily requiring a huge power source to do things. Superman is not lifting the mountain per se--the unified vibrations of the mountain's atoms are doing that. All Supes is doing is psiconsciously locating and invoking the extreme improbability where the mountain's atoms behave that way. Solar energy might just be giving his brain cells that "extra kick" required for large-scale psiconscious operation.
Again, I find it an interesting coincidence (?) that psi is the term physicists use for the quantum-wavefunction and what parapsychologists use for psychic phenomena.
Originally posted by Mindship
More 2-cents worth.
Personally, what I don't like about postulating psions as the quanta of psionic energy is that, IMO, it smacks too much of a "business as usual" approach to physics. "Here's a force, here's its particle, here's what it does." Too much of how we understand things now, when perhaps we oughta be thinking "outside the box."Consider: when we think of telekinesis we tend to imagine (in this case) psions being emitted from point A (the brain), traveling through space and time in a nice classical/Newtonian manner, until it reaches point B (the target). This is not consistent with TK/PK experiments that have been done, going all the way back to Rhine's experiments at Duke University. What has been consistent in all experiments (at least as far as I'm aware) is that physical factors (eg, distance, mass/shape of target, number of targets) don't affect results so much as psychological factors (eg, motivation, fatigue). Therefore, I don't think a Newtonian approach is the way to go with psionics.
An alternative might be this, returning to my "psiconscious" approach.
You see a cup on a table. Comprising the cup are its trillions upon trillions of atoms, all vibrating, but we don't notice the vibrations cuz it's all random in all directions: it all cancels out. However, quantum mechanics says there is that infinitesmially small probability that all the cup's atoms will vibrate in the same direction at the same time, in which case the cup would move in that direction.Telekinesis is simply the invoking of that extreme probability. There is no energy going from point A to point B. Rather, the consciousness of the TKer, being aware of quantum wavefunctioning and therefore all probabilities, is able to locate and bring to the fore that extremely rare situation, where all the atoms vibrate in same direction at same time.
The one "drawback" (?) to this approach is that it implies a Cosmos where Consciousness is the foundation of reality, not physical matter/energy. It implies an "essence before existence" philosophy, not an "existence before essence" one. On the other hand, if you're gonna postulate hypothetical psions or psionic energy, is Consciousness that much more of a stretch.
In any event, this approach has the added advantage (I think) of not necessarily requiring a huge power source to do things. Superman is not lifting the mountain per se--the unified vibrations of the mountain's atoms are doing that. All Supes is doing is psiconsciously locating and invoking the extreme improbability where the mountain's atoms behave that way. Solar energy might just be giving his brain cells that "extra kick" required for large-scale psiconscious operation.
Again, I find it an interesting coincidence (?) that psi is the term physicists use for the quantum-wavefunction and what parapsychologists use for psychic phenomena.
Its also impossibe to accelerate the particles to speeds rivalling Superman and the FLash. Particles need energy to be acclerated, and one cannot just create energy. This is why i prefer my Hyper space theory, 'the mover' has acsess to all energy sources through out time and space. I.e. if you need energy, one teleport via Hypersapce to an ancient quasar, or an exploding sun.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nah... He is able to interact with the fabric of reality through the control of fundemetal forces using psions. The psions serve the same role as your hyperdimensional robots.
you said what i was gonna say!! psions explain why no ebergy/matter conversion is necessary. 😉