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Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Its also impossibe to accelerate the particles to speeds rivalling Superman and the FLash. Particles need energy to be acclerated, and one cannot just create energy. This is why i prefer my Hyper space theory, 'the mover' has acsess to all energy sources through out time and space. I.e. if you need energy, one teleport via Hypersapce to an ancient quasar, or an exploding sun.

but that still doesn't answer how they are capable of moving at nearly infinite speeds -- in any event many many multiples of c.

Originally posted by leonidas
you said what i was gonna say!! psions explain why no ebergy/matter conversion is necessary. 😉

What is moving the psions then ? .... things dont move by themselves.

Originally posted by leonidas
but that still doesn't answer how they are capable of moving at nearly infinite speeds -- in any event many many multiples of c.

There is the infinitesimal probability that--because of quantum fields--space could inflate, like it did at the start of the Big Bang, moving (so goes theory) at many times the speed of light.

The Surfer (eg) psiconsciously triggers, and literally rides (inside) a wave of space. This is why his power is "cosmic." For all intents and purposes, it is "magic" which brings all the cosmos within his grasp.

Originally posted by leonidas
but that still doesn't answer how they are capable of moving at nearly infinite speeds -- in any event many many multiples of c.

Its as easy as ABC, with a Hyper Space tech.

Wormholes mean almost instant Acceleration, and no Time dilation problems

Space Time warpage allows you to achieve F.T.L. speeds.

All of this is possible with Hyper D tech !

Originally posted by Mindship
There is the infinitesimal probability that--because of quantum fields--space could inflate, like it did at the start of the Big Bang, moving (so goes theory) at many times the speed of light.

The Surfer (eg) psiconsciously triggers, and literally rides (inside) a wave of space. This is why his power is "cosmic." For all intents and purposes, it is "magic" which brings all the cosmos within his grasp.

Or you can do it artificially with Hyper D tech .... the decission is you'res ?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Its as easy as ABC, with a Hyper Space tech.

Wormholes mean almost instant Acceleration, and no Time dilation problems

Space Time warpage allows you to achieve F.T.L. speeds.

All of this is possible with Hyper D tech !

don't wormhole avoid the need to move? i thought they were essentailly the same thing as folding a map. ss never opens wormholes. warping space is the more generally accepted explanation i think.

still, neither of your explanations answers the questions of how he travels through time.

and what moves the psions? why couldn't his brain simply be enough? same way graviton moves . . . gravitons. psions are just a form of energy after all.

Originally posted by leonidas
still, neither of your explanations answers the questions of how he travels through time.

When you start doing things at the quantum level (however it's done), nonlocality occurs not just with space but also with time. Laws of physics, as we know them at the classical level, simply do not apply.

Every entity in the universe has a quantum field/wavefunction, which extends (with decreasing probability) throughout all of space and time. The reason you and I, for example, are where we are is because, given the rules for existence in our universe, it worked out that the greatest probability for our existence is right where we are (I hope that made sense).

Quantum theory actually says (for example) that a mouse could suddenly, instantly, be teleported to the surface of the sun and survive there for a week. The odds of this happening are so immense that the universe would have to be a trillion trillion times its current age for it to happen. But it is not impossible.

The Surfer can move through time because he can phase-shift his wavefunction, change the probability, move the wave-crest of when he is to some"place" else in time.

Originally posted by leonidas
don't wormhole avoid the need to move? i thought they were essentailly the same thing as folding a map. ss never opens wormholes. warping space is the more generally accepted explanation i think.

still, neither of your explanations answers the questions of how he travels through time.

and what moves the psions? why couldn't his brain simply be enough? same way graviton moves . . . gravitons. psions are just a form of energy after all.

Sorry Leo, that breaks the Laws of thermo dynamics. Atoms and particles vibrate as they contain energy, but they will eventually stop vibrating if not stimulated by some other source of energy. Atoms absorb energy and then give out gravitons. You cant get a free meal. The same applies for ‘psions’

'Energy cannot be created or destroyed'

If his mind moves the psions, without any form of energy transfer, why does he absorb solar energy ?

'don't wormhole avoid the need to move? i thought they were essentailly the same thing as folding a map. ss never opens wormholes. warping space is the more generally accepted explanation i think.

still, neither of your explanations answers the questions of how he travels through time.'

Im really confused with this .... Im not talking about the Surfer particularly, im talking about chracters in general. Most powers of most Super heroes involve the control of energy and matter.

This is impossible by the laws of physics. If you replace energy and the matter with Hyper D tech, you can achieve all the same results. These technologies work on an atomic level, and the characters themselves are probably unaware of them, as they are from Higher dimensions.

They think theyre manipulating energy, when they are really interacting with Hyper Dimensional techs.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
What is moving the psions then ? .... things dont move by themselves.

Conciousness, at this point it gets pretty philosophical.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Conciousness, at this point it gets pretty philosophical.

'Use the Force Luke' .... I see that as a cop out. Surely there is a solar energy transfer between the particles and the KATP.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'Use the Force Luke' .... I see that as a cop out. Surely there is a solar energy transfer between the particles and the KATP.

The solar energy acts like a battery allowing Supes psychic energy to generate his consciousness at a greater range than most other beings. Think of him as the world service and a normal persons ability to interact with psions as a baby monitor radio in a bedroom.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The solar energy acts like a battery allowing Supes psychic energy to generate his consciousness at a greater range than most other beings. Think of him as the world service and a normal persons ability to interact with psions as a baby monitor radio in a bedroom.

Which is basically what i was saying .... The Sun still doesn't provide him enough power ! Therefore we have took look to an alternate energy source. Psions do though prevent the need for space. (Although i prefer the use of Hyper Space rather than psions)

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The solar energy acts like a battery allowing Supes psychic energy to generate his consciousness at a greater range than most other beings. Think of him as the world service and a normal persons ability to interact with psions as a baby monitor radio in a bedroom.

Which is basically what i was saying, although we still dont have a sufficient energy source. Psions do prevent the need for Hyper Space,although i prefer the more realistic scientifically plausible explanation.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Which is basically what i was saying, although we still dont have a sufficient energy source. Psions do prevent the need for Hyper Space,although i prefer the more realistic scientifically plausible explanation.

Psions are a real scientific theory Yahs, albeit a rather out there one.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Psions are a real scientific theory Yahs, albeit a rather out there one.

Yes .... but M theory is more respected !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Yes .... but M theory is more respected !

yes it is, however psionic theory is more esoteric and less scientific. In some ways it is purely assumption based on a known fact "The uncertainty principle", and that the behaviour of particles changes when they are observed. The psion is thought to cause this observational change. Something is definately interacting. So lets call it a psion.

Originally posted by Mindship
When you start doing things at the quantum level (however it's done), nonlocality occurs not just with space but also with time. Laws of physics, as we know them at the classical level, simply do not apply.

Every entity in the universe has a quantum field/wavefunction, which extends (with decreasing probability) throughout all of space and time. The reason you and I, for example, are where we are is because, given the rules for existence in our universe, it worked out that the greatest probability for our existence is right where we are (I hope that made sense).

Quantum theory actually says (for example) that a mouse could suddenly, instantly, be teleported to the surface of the sun and survive there for a week. The odds of this happening are so immense that the universe would have to be a trillion trillion times its current age for it to happen. But it is not impossible.

The Surfer can move through time because he can phase-shift his wavefunction, change the probability, move the wave-crest of when he is to some"place" else in time.

Could that explain all of Surfer's powers? If he can alter the laws of probablity then he could produce just about any effect in the physical universe he wants. From matter manipulation to healing an injured persons could it just be him altering the probablity of what he wants to happen until it does.

Or is there something else I'm missing?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
yes it is, however psionic theory is more esoteric and less scientific. In some ways it is purely assumption based on a known fact "The uncertainty principle", and that the behaviour of particles changes when they are observed. The psion is thought to cause this observational change. Something is definately interacting. So lets call it a psion.

This is very simillar to Minsips theory ..... Its V cool any way !!!!!!! Its given me a lot of ideas for my soon to be bestselling comic. Where do you think the psion originates from ???

Originally posted by TheKahn
Could that explain all of Surfer's powers? If he can alter the laws of probablity then he could produce just about any effect in the physical universe he wants. From matter manipulation to healing an injured persons could it just be him altering the probablity of what he wants to happen until it does.

Or is there something else I'm missing?

Yess ... in other words every character in comic dom is just a derivative of the Scarlet witch !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Yess ... in other words every character in comic dom is just a derivative of the Scarlet witch !

I KNEW IT! 😉
But that might be a good explanation for Darksied's Omega Effect as well.

As for where the psion orginates for something different maybe there is a religious explanation for it. It could be that by God (or whoever you may beleive in) in creating humans in his image gives us as of now an latent or undeveloped (at least consciencely) ability to manipulate the physical world. As science cannot readly explain or identify this "devine" ability, so its effects are attributed to psions.