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Originally posted by TheKahn
I KNEW IT! 😉
But that might be a good explanation for Darksied's Omega Effect as well.

As for where the psion orginates for something different maybe there is a religious explanation for it. It could be that by God (or whoever you may beleive in) in creating humans in his image gives us as of now an latent or undeveloped (at least consciencely) ability to manipulate the physical world. As science cannot readly explain or identify this "devine" ability, so its effects are attributed to psions.

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I can't wait to hear an explanaition that doesn't involve some form of mysticism

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Conciousness, at this point it gets pretty philosophical.

It's philosophical in the real world. But in the highly magical/metaphysical superhero universes, I thinketh it be fair game.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Yess ... in other words every character in comic dom is just a derivative of the Scarlet witch !

pretty much 😉

The thing is, if you're gonna have universes where entities like The Presence or TOAA exist, then mysticism/consciousness is implied in the weave of that universe and perfectly legit.

In real life though, if superpowers are gonna appear in the foreseeable future, it will likely be by way of hypertech.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
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I can't wait to hear an explanaition that doesn't involve some form of mysticism

Oh, sorry 😮
You'll most likely have to wait for Mindship if you want a really impressive and technical explantion. 😉

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psions have also been called KI (chi) is some instances. 'philosophers' have considered it to be the 'life energy that flows through everything'. perhaps like ss, supes has also an established connection with this creationary force? not hard to believe considering he is supposed to be so important to the source. perhaps he is in essence wielding 'divine' power.

not sure about the reasons why thermodynamics would be broken -- psions would simply be a different type of energy that supes changes . i think whirly was saying solar rad would be the sort of fuel that would allow him to convert this 'divine energy' into psions that in turn let him do whatever he wants.

or maybe there's something genetic that allows them to access this energy-converting ability. i mean we don't understand our own genome, and at its heart biology may be even LESS understood (evolution of life from viruses?? IS there a neural correlate for consciousness?) than cosmology. just how many chromosomes DO kryptonians have . . .? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
psions have also been called KI (chi) is some instances. 'philosophers' have considered it to be the 'life energy that flows through everything'. perhaps like ss, supes has also an established connection with this creationary force? not hard to believe considering he is supposed to be so important to the source. perhaps he is in essence wielding 'divine' power.

not sure about the reasons why thermodynamics would be broken -- psions would simply be a different type of energy that supes changes . i think whirly was saying solar rad would be the sort of fuel that would allow him to convert this 'divine energy' into psions that in turn let him do whatever he wants.

or maybe there's something genetic that allows them to access this energy-converting ability. i mean we don't understand our own genome, and at its heart biology may be even LESS understood (evolution of life from viruses?? IS there a neural correlate for consciousness?) than cosmology. just how many chromosomes DO kryptonians have . . .? 😖hifty:

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The original point i made was that Solar radiation doesnt provide enough 'fuel',. Mindsip and i both believe that supes needs some other higher energy yield process.

The point about Thermo dynamics is that particles cannot move without 'fuel'. One cannot create this 'fuel' by just thinking about it, therefore he needs another source to provide the 'fuel'. I reiterate that the suns radiation is not a suitable source, as it does not provide enough 'fuel'

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
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The original point i made was that Solar radiation doesnt provide enough 'fuel',. Mindsip and i both believe that supes needs some other higher energy yield process.

The point about Thermo dynamics is that particles cannot move without 'fuel'. One cannot create this 'fuel' by just thinking about it, therefore he needs another source to provide the 'fuel'. I reiterate that the suns radiation is not a suitable source, as it does not provide enough 'fuel'

my apologies for boring you . . . 😂

and while ONE sun may not provide the fuel necessary, what about all the OTHER stars he absorbs energy from . . .?

and if he's simply altering energy that already exists and is ALREADY in motion, why would it disobey thermodynamics? the sunlight/starlight merely allows him to manipulate energy like any energy manipulator.

Posts I had originally put in another thread...

Just to give this some perspective...

One ton of TNT exploding yields over 4000 megajoules of energy.
One megaton yields over 4000 terajoules: more energy than the whole Earth will use for hundreds of years, at least.

Seems to me, in order to survive a one megaton blast, one would have to counter 4000 terajoules with an equal amount of energy, at least.

Where in God's name do these "nuke survivors" get this much power from? Given the amount of energy which rains down from the sun, per square centimeter, even Superman doesn't have enough skin surface area to absorb this much power.

More Playing With Numbers...

Why pick on Superman?
1. Ask 100 people which superhero can take a nuke, chances are, every one of them will answer "Superman."
2. Unlike those superheroes who rely on "magic" (which, as far as anyone knows, has absolutely no basis in reality), Big Blue's power depends on solar energy, which is very real and can be measured.

Thusly...
- On a sunny day, the amount of sunlight per square centimeter yields 0.1345 joules every ten seconds.
- An adult male has about 1.8 square meters of total skin surface area.
- If Superman were totally naked, he could perhaps absorb about 2500 joules in ten seconds. He needs 1.6 trillion times this amount to counter the energy of a 1 megaton bomb (4000 trillion divided by 2500).
- 1.6 trillion x 10 seconds is about 500,000 years. This is how long Kal El has to sunbathe to absorb enough power to survive 1 (one) "typical" nuclear explosion.

Thank you for your kind attention.

From here it would perhaps be better to assign the solar rad he absorbs a "secondary" position, something which triggers a far more powerful energy source, rather than being the primary energy source itself.

A character I had developed used subnanotech to draw power directly from the quantum foam, ie, by "popping quantum plumes." I imagine many of us are familiar with science's current theories on zero-point energy. Some say it's a pipe dream (which would violate laws of conservation); others say the quantum vacuum holds unimaginable degrees of power which can be utilized as long as an overall cosmic "balancing of the energy books" occurs.

Superman picked the wrong power source.

Let's assume for a minute that Superman is only powered by the sun.
Could you make it work?

"If" Superman is only powered by the sun what could be the alternate mechanism that allows him to absorb more energy of the sun's output? A simplistic example would be how black surfaces absorb more heat than white ones.

Perhaps his body creates some type of attraction with the charged particles in the sun drawing more of the sun's energy to him. Or his body acts as an energy sink that increases the rate of energy apsorbtion.

Any thought?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Let's assume for a minute that Superman is only powered by the sun.
Could you make it work?

"If" Superman is only powered by the sun what could be the alternate mechanism that allows him to absorb more energy of the sun's output? A simplistic example would be how black surfaces absorb more heat than white ones.

Perhaps his body creates some type of attraction with the charged particles in the sun drawing more of the sun's energy to him. Or his body acts as an energy sink that increases the rate of energy apsorbtion.

Any thought?

Mindsips already take this into consideration, Its still no where near the needed amount of energy. I do like you're previous idea about the source, it would also explain why he become so damm important. N.B. other Kryptonians such as Kara must also have this connection, as she is nearly as powerful as him.

In other words maybe the Kryptonians where becoming the New, New Gods. As Grant Morisson rightly pointed out, this evolutionary step was meant to occur on earth, in the Far, Far future. This is maybe why Krypton was destroyed ?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Mindsips already take this into consideration, Its still no where near the needed amount of energy. I do like you're previous idea about the source, it would also explain why he become so damm important. N.B. other Kryptonians such as Kara must also have this connection, as she is nearly as powerful as him.

In other words maybe the Kryptonians where becoming the New, New Gods. As Grant Morisson rightly pointed out, this evolutionary step was meant to occur on earth, in the Far, Far future. This is maybe why Krypton was destroyed ?

Although this is straying somewhat from topic, I like the touch with the New New Gods and what was supposed to happen to humans, so I wonder if the following could be worked in somehow (also a post of mine removed from another thread)...

...Kryptonians and Earthlings derive from the same source. Neither are native to their planets; our common origin goes waayyy back, the seeds of both races brought to each planet by the Preservers/Progenitors/First Ones. This is why Kryptonians and Earthlings are so alike...

Maybe the Original New Gods were the Progenitor Race? Or the Celestials? Just another thought.

Originally posted by Mindship
Although this is straying somewhat from topic, I like the touch with the New New Gods and what was supposed to happen to humans, so I wonder if the following could be worked in somehow (also a post of mine removed from another thread)...

[B]...Kryptonians and Earthlings derive from the same source. Neither are native to their planets; our common origin goes waayyy back, the seeds of both races brought to each planet by the Preservers/Progenitors/First Ones. This is why Kryptonians and Earthlings are so alike...

Maybe the Original New Gods were the Progenitor Race? Or the Celestials? Just another thought. [/B]

I didn't know that .... but it would explain a heck of a lot !!!!!!!!

It think we have the answer to our question as to where his extra 'fuel' comes from.

If you add in all the other stuff, i.e. the control of psions (another power that may derive from the source), we have pretty much solved the problem of Superman and the secret of his powers .

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I didn't know that .... but it would explain a heck of a lot !!!!!!!!

It's just a theory; I don't know if DC ever mentioned anything to that effect.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
It think we have the answer to our question as to where his extra 'fuel' comes from.
If you add in all the other stuff, i.e. the control of psions (another power that may derive from the source), we have pretty much solved the problem of Superman and the secret of his powers .

I'm not keen on the "psion," per se, approach. But placing aside my own one-size-fits-all psiconscious explanation for superpowers, I would agree Supes uses solar energy to trigger another energy source--perhaps not unlike the ignition in a car engine triggering the much-more-powerful internal combustion. Source of this extra energy? Perhaps as you've mentioned, from dimensions outside our standard four. This way we don't need "psions." The energy could come from what is "compactifying" the other dimensions mentioned in string theory.

Originally posted by Mindship

I'm not keen on the "psion," per se, approach. But placing aside my own one-size-fits-all psiconscious explanation for superpowers, I would agree Supes uses solar energy to trigger another energy source--perhaps not unlike the ignition in a car engine triggering the much-more-powerful internal combustion. Source of this extra energy? Perhaps as you've mentioned, from dimensions outside our standard four. This way we don't need "psions." The energy could come from what is "compactifying" the other dimensions mentioned in string theory.

I totally agree !!!!!

I hate the idea of psions, its such a Kop out IMO. Although i like Whirly's view that psions are just the uncertainty principle and our chosen perspective of it, rather than a fundamental particles. It kind of linked in with your QM, Scarlet Witch theory.

There is another very cool concepts, thats a bi product of M theory. Its a theory that suggests that a photon could become an Infinite energy source, if it where to pass through a worm hole in Time/Space.

I dont really understand how it works, although I know it involves time travel. In reality this could very dangerous, i.e. cause another Big Bang/rip the Fabric of time and space. But in the comic universe, where every other cosmic guy taps into 'An infinite energy source', it could work really well. I especially like it, as it involves the photons that his KATP have absorbed.

I thought id bump this thread up because ive just read some ery interesting information. According to The Champion of the Universes bio in the latest handbook, not only is the Big Bang the power source behind the power primordial (which the Elders make use of) but apparrently the Infinity Gems as well. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I thought id bump this thread up because ive just read some ery interesting information. According to The Champion of the Universes bio in the latest handbook, not only is the Big Bang the power source behind the power primordial (which the Elders make use of) but apparrently the Infinity Gems as well. 😖hifty:

What doesn't the big bang power.

Originally posted by grey fox
What [b]doesn't the big bang power. [/B]

Whatever lies beyond reality. 😄

Originally posted by grey fox
What [b]doesn't the big bang power. [/B]

Wolve...no wait, never mind.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I thought id bump this thread up because ive just read some ery interesting information. According to The Champion of the Universes bio in the latest handbook, not only is the Big Bang the power source behind the power primordial (which the Elders make use of) but apparrently the Infinity Gems as well. 😖hifty:

This is the definitive proof that the phoenix is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet, and therefore far more powerful than Eternity. Its also enhances the notion that the phoenix is truly multiversal, although this was never in doubt.