Originally posted by GalacticStorm
😍
The question is weather the phoenix force is dissimilar to the energy source known as the Heart of the universe .... as this power source is bound by the laws of creation, it safe to assume the phoenix force surpasses it in power. The Heart of the universe destroyed as single universe not the multiverse, and it is easier to destroy than create. 🙂
Originally posted by Doctor SKankBut would destroying a universe not require the same amount of energy as to make one? Granted its easier to destroy a car than build one. 😉
The question is weather the phoenix force is dissimilar to the energy source known as the Heart of the universe .... as this power source is bound by the laws of creation, it safe to assume the phoenix force surpasses it in power. The Heart of the universe destroyed as single universe not the multiverse, and it is easier to destroy than create. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I thought id bump this thread up because ive just read some ery interesting information. According to The Champion of the Universes bio in the latest handbook, not only is the Big Bang the power source behind the power primordial (which the Elders make use of) but apparrently the Infinity Gems as well. 😖hifty:
hey, that's basically what i said earlier when i said it is likely the universe's energy! bully for me!
clap
i also likened it to the power cosmic, which, as it has its origins in galactus, and galactus has his origins in the big bang, is ALSO likely a derivative of big bang energy! the only question i had revolved around the PF's part in g's origin. did the PF merely shelter g? did it grant power to g in anyway? and if the PF is the power BEHIND the bog bangs in the first place, does that mean g and the power primordial are linked directly to the PF???crazy
Originally posted by leonidas
hey, that's basically what i said earlier when i said it is likely the universe's energy! bully for me!clap
i also likened it to the power cosmic, which, as it has its origins in galactus, and galactus has his origins in the big bang, is ALSO likely a derivative of big bang energy! the only question i had revolved around the PF's part in g's origin. did the PF merely shelter g? did it grant power to g in anyway? and if the PF is the power BEHIND the bog bangs in the first place, does that mean g and the power primordial are linked directly to the PF???crazy
In the previous reality the Dweller in the Darkness tampered with the M'kraan crystal until it was beyond repair, he was hoping that all life in creation would see the resultant conflagration and die in fear(his power source) which would therefore empower him making him virtually omnipotent and an impediment to the creation cycle. Phoenix got around this by linking to all life in creation and emitting "life affirming telepathic energy" easing their fear and helping them to accept their fate with dignity. This spoiled Dwellers plans and saved all life in reality allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg before the crystal wiped out the multiverse.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/5307094756.jpg&s=x402
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/5307212334.jpg&s=x402
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10213045375.jpg&s=x10
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8808374683.jpg&s=x11
The cosmic egg itself was merely a focal point for the energies of creation, which had collapsed back on themselves over the course of the previous universes life. These energies stem from the Phoenix Force and it was they that transformed Galen into Galactus and in the event of the Big Bang, the Phoenix was reborn into reality, Galactus was released into 616 and at the same time Eternity came into being.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7509292924.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8808390586.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7509330349.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/751133489.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/12205244920.jpg&s=x402
If the Power Primordial and the Infinity Gems both derive power from the Big Bang then they they are without a doubt linked to the Phoenix Force. Galactus came into being because number one he was saved by the Phoenix and secondly its energies transformed him into what he is. IMO Marvel just needs to have a version of DC's Genesis event wherein all energy types were explained and all linked with the Source as the origin point. That would make things so much easier.
However i read on another forum that the Phoenix Force is apparrently a protected character at Marvel. Noone but X-men writers/editors are allowed to have any input on the character, hence its absence from big cosmic events or its lack of appearances anywhere outside X-titles.
Unfortunately as the thread said theres two camps at Marvel, X-men and everybody else 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the Power Primordial and the Infinity Gems both derive power from the Big Bang then they they are without a doubt linked to the Phoenix Force. Galactus came into being because number one he was saved by the Phoenix and secondly its energies transformed him into what he is. IMO Marvel just needs to have a version of DC's Genesis event wherein all energy types were explained and all linked with the Source as the origin point. That would make things so much easier.However i read on another forum that the Phoenix Force is apparrently a protected character at Marvel. Noone but X-men writers/editors are allowed to have any input on the character, hence its absence from big cosmic events or its lack of appearances anywhere outside X-titles.
Unfortunately as the thread said theres two camps at Marvel, X-men and everybody else 🙁
that really DOES suck. that means there really is no chance for a single unified theory of everything -- ala genesis -- and that the cosmology will remain totally f'd.
i'd never heard that before. that's one of the dumbest things i can imagine. stands to reason though that all the powers ARE linked to the PF though, as all stem from the start of the universe.
marvel really can be ridiculous at times . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
that really DOES suck. that means there really is no chance for a single unified theory of everything -- ala genesis -- and that the cosmology will remain totally f'd.i'd never heard that before. that's one of the dumbest things i can imagine. stands to reason though that all the powers ARE linked to the PF though, as all stem from the start of the universe.
marvel really can be ridiculous at times . . .
U have a sig now ?
I'm glad you have seen the light on the phoenix force ? Does this have anything to do with the retraction of Whirlys membership ? 🙂
How does telepathy work ??????? Is it transcendent, Hyper dimensional or just a genetic form of esp that occurs only in the realm of comics ? Are telepaths telekinetically moving the molecules with inside the other persons brain, or are they tapping into a higher form of consciousness that is intrinsically linked to all ? 🙂
How do concussive force blasts work ???????? Is it the manipulation highly dense / reactive particles or useage of a altenative force ? 🙂
Originally posted by Doctor SKank
How does telepathy work ??????? Is it transcendent, Hyper dimensional or just a genetic form of esp that occurs only in the realm of comics ? Are telepaths telekinetically moving the molecules with inside the other persons brain, or are they tapping into a higher form of consciousness that is intrinsically linked to all ? 🙂How do concussive force blasts work ???????? Is it the manipulation highly dense / reactive particles or useage of a altenative force ? 🙂
I always considered concussive blast's as a release of natural energy , but instead of the particles /atoms being incredibly loose (such as how we radiate heat) it's denser.
Originally posted by Doctor SKank
How does telepathy work ??????? Is it transcendent, Hyper dimensional or just a genetic form of esp that occurs only in the realm of comics ? Are telepaths telekinetically moving the molecules with inside the other persons brain, or are they tapping into a higher form of consciousness that is intrinsically linked to all ? 🙂How do concussive force blasts work ???????? Is it the manipulation highly dense / reactive particles or useage of a altenative force ? 🙂
Answering your second question first, I, myself, have often wondered this. The main problem I see is that often such blasts seem to break Newton's third law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
What I mean is that when character uses a powerful concussive blast, they should be knocked backwards with the same force as their target is hit with. Think along the lines of the recoil of a gun.
Now there are a few ways I can see around it. First one could argue, that like Cyclops, all characters that fire concussive blasts simply open a portal to an alternate universe where the laws of physics are fundamentally different. Or the character could be unconsciously curving space behind the point where the blast is generate, redirecting the recoil of the blast either to the side or even back at their opponent.
As to the nature of this power, I think Mindship could come up with a better explanation given his knowledge in this area. But off the top of my head I could see it being some type of warping of space, waves of gravitational force acting in the opposite direction of what would be intuitive, or, perhaps more mundanely, some of it could be explained as simply pressurized air.
Telepathy is also an interesting topic. One explanation I have always been drawn to to is that, given the electrochemical nature of the human brain, telepaths are simply a type of, relatively weak but very precise, energy manipulators. They are able to either sense or manipulate the firing of nerve impulses in the human brain to determine what thoughts or memories are being accessed by the target at the moment or to cause certain brain functions to occur.
Now the fact that each human brain is slightly different would present a challenge as the "telepath" wouldn't know exactly what areas of the brain he or she was causing to fire, but this could be explained by the "telepath" studying brain physiology and that perhaps the true strength of telepaths lie in them having a good natural intuition in this area.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Seems like we could use a new topic, Leo. Any ideas?
sorry, k. wasn't ignoring your post, but couldn't think of a good topic. one came up earlier today -- the relationship between the astroforce ('wrath' of the source) and the spectre. what IS the relationship, and are both powers the 'highest' levels of power used by characters in any comic?
Re: "Your thoughts" OR . . . "A smart person's thread!"
Originally posted by leonidas
as opposed to debating, some of the most fun i've had on this forum has been discussing hypothetical explanaltions for various things. a couple that were particularly memorable: a great discussion regarding the nature and orgin of the phoenix force (thanks to gs and demi and ill!). a great discussion on the nature of the power cosmic and how it was comparable and different from the astro-force (tip of the cap again to ill!)so, what i'd like to do is to put a couple topics on the table and just have some people express some thoughts on them, and hopefully generate some good discussion. anyway, here goes?
1. what is the nature of darkseid's omega beams and where does it stem from?
2. how does the anti-life equation stack up against the other 'great powers'? ie -- the pf, the IG, the HOTU, starbrand?
3. what is the HOTU and from where did it come?
4. what exactly is the power cosmic and from where does it come -- what is its source?
5. is 'the source' (new gods) the greatest power in all of comics?
6. what came first -- the multiverse or the phoenix force -- think through this one carefully!! 😄 ?
i have other topics in mind, but that should suffice i hope to get the ball rolling. just pick one, throw out some random thoughts. there will be very little actual 'evidence' presented in this thread. most will be (hopefully) educated guesses on the topics, and perhaps someone even WILL be able to present certain pieces of evidence i was unaware of to settle certain questions.
so, smart people, have at it!!!!!!
oh, and if you have your own challenging, mind-bending topic, speak out! i for one may at least have a go at it!
1) Perhaps it stems from his molecular structure or maybe it is powered by a star.
2) I'd say it's at least even with the Infinity Guantlets, but weaker than the other two.
3) The Heart of the Universe, came from the Heart of the Universe. 😛
4) I heard that Galactus got the power cosmic from remains of the "Big Bang."
5) Could very well be.
6) Probably the Phoenix Force because TOAA had her help build it.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Answering your second question first, I, myself, have often wondered this. The main problem I see is that often such blasts seem to break Newton's third law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.What I mean is that when character uses a powerful concussive blast, they should be knocked backwards with the same force as their target is hit with. Think along the lines of the recoil of a gun.
Now there are a few ways I can see around it. First one could argue, that like Cyclops, all characters that fire concussive blasts simply open a portal to an alternate universe where the laws of physics are fundamentally different. Or the character could be unconsciously curving space behind the point where the blast is generate, redirecting the recoil of the blast either to the side or even back at their opponent.
As to the nature of this power, I think Mindship could come up with a better explanation given his knowledge in this area. But off the top of my head I could see it being some type of warping of space, waves of gravitational force acting in the opposite direction of what would be intuitive, or, perhaps more mundanely, some of it could be explained as simply pressurized air.
Telepathy is also an interesting topic. One explanation I have always been drawn to to is that, given the electrochemical nature of the human brain, telepaths are simply a type of, relatively weak but very precise, energy manipulators. They are able to either sense or manipulate the firing of nerve impulses in the human brain to determine what thoughts or memories are being accessed by the target at the moment or to cause certain brain functions to occur.
Now the fact that each human brain is slightly different would present a challenge as the "telepath" wouldn't know exactly what areas of the brain he or she was causing to fire, but this could be explained by the "telepath" studying brain physiology and that perhaps the true strength of telepaths lie in them having a good natural intuition in this area.
Very competent answers Khan .... with regards to telepathy i see its as more of a supernatural linkage between some form of transcendent 'collective conscience' rather than the manipulation of nerve impulses (IMO this is too complicated to be a practical solution/explanation).
Using what we know about consciousness and observation,its effects on reality due to quantum theory and wave functions (Mind sip and Doctor SKank know what i mean), I theorize that the firing of nerve impulses may be a side effect of the uncertainty principle. What is physically perceived as the firing of action potentials (never impulses) is a quantum side effect of some greater supernatural form of consciousness that we all posses.
In layman's terms maybe the human soul (or something like it) is doing the communicating, and the effects on brain chemistry is a physical side effect.
Originally posted by S.S
🙁
You asked to get banned............. 😆
You're so responsible....... 😛
My time here will definitely be temporary ..... I found out, within the space of a month, that I'm actually quite academic. This was kind of the point of my isolation, although i seriously missed this place.
When did Digi tell everyone ? 🙂
