ROTS Sidious vS. ROTJ Sidious

Started by tdtd8 pages

Exactly. Watch the GL interview on the episode III dvd

Interview? Or do you mean the DVD commentary?

Yea commentary

Sorry Darthsith, Mace did overpower and almost take him out, damn that prophecy. He only started playing the victim when Anakin got in.

I love how we are all making valid points about the fight but you have nothing but false interpretation on your side. Even if Anakin hadn't arrived Palpatine could've just zapped Mace when Mace raised his lightsaber over his head like some damn fool.
So what if Palpatine had royal guards with him at all times. He was still vulnerable to traitors and other people even as close as in his inner circle. In fact, someone from his inner circle went on and killed him in the end. With his vast fleet and army at his disposal. He had to have trained for protection.

Anakin only kiled him cause Luke was there, that was the only time he had no protection.
And secondly, ROTS Palpatine did get his arse handed to him. Windu disarmed him knocked him on his ass at pointed his saber at the Sith's throat, telling him the he "has lost" with Palpatine not saying anything while almost having what seemed like a asthmatic attack and the looked of utter defeat. If that's not a genuine handing of the ass, then I don't know what else it is.

Palpatine kills three strong Masters in 6 seconds, while Mace stands there and looks dumb. If he really were stronger than Sidious he'd have kiled him during that 6 seconds. And even at the end Palpatine couldn've zapped Mace when he reaised the saber way above his head.
And I didn't say ROTJ Luke was anywhere near Mace's power. I said Palpatine was seconds away from defeating the future NJO leader, a person who can effortlessly beat Mace and perhaps Yoda even.

Yes, Sidious was seconds away from killing Luke. And yes, Luke does become far stronger than Mace. Unfortunately, Luke was only a tiny fraction of what he is in NJO. By your logic, if I beat TPM Anakin I'd be the strongest person ever cause I killed the Chosen One.

Lucas also said that Mace overpowered Sidious and Sidious used his powers to try and destroy Mace. Sidious only began faking AFTER he tried to kill Mace with his initial lightning. So in fact, Sidious WAS in danger when he realized he was unable to kill Mace with his initial lightning, which was why he called Anakin for help.

Lucas says Palpatine fakes being to weak. So he really wasn't to weak. Plus he could have killed Mace when Mace's lightsaber was above his head.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Lucas says Palpatine fakes being to weak. So he really wasn't to weak. Plus he could have killed Mace when Mace's lightsaber was above his head.

Maybe he could have, but remember when Sidious fell onto one knee near the end of the duel? By that same two cents, I could just as easily say that all Mace had to do was swing his lightsaber a little further back and *zoom*, off would have went Palpatine's head.

Darthsith watch the DVD commentary before commenting. Lucas states that Mace was overpowering him with the saber, and that Sidious was helpless when his lightning didn't work.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Maybe he could have, but remember when Sidious fell onto one knee near the end of the duel? By that same two cents, I could just as easily say that all Mace had to do was swing his lightsaber a little further back and *zoom*, off would have went Palpatine's head.

But he didn't. And instead of stabbing Mace he swung his saber over his head, leaving his entire body vulnerable.

Stabbing Mace? You mean stabbing Sidious right? And Mace didn't swing at Sidious, Sidious didn't use his lightning either. Instead, Sidious called Anakin for help, leaving his entire body vulnerable to Mace chopping him in half 😉

lol

Originally posted by tdtd
Darthsith watch the DVD commentary before commenting. Lucas states that Mace was overpowering him with the saber, and that Sidious was helpless when his lightning didn't work.
Which is obviously wrong, since Mace ended up flying out of the window at the hands of Sidious.

Only after Anakin disarmed Mace. Yeah, Sidious shot a one-handed, defenseless Jedi out the window. w00t!

Darth Sith you're bordering on illogical fanboyism.. Unless you don't consider Lucas canon, then Sidious had his ass handed to him,.

After being apparently overwhelmed (I'M TOO WEAK) by the purple saber. He blasts the Jedi Master violently out the window quite easily and gets up as if nothing happened.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Stabbing Mace? You mean stabbing Sidious right? And Mace didn't swing at Sidious, Sidious didn't use his lightning either. Instead, Sidious called Anakin for help, leaving his entire body vulnerable to Mace chopping him in half 😉

Yes, I mean stabbing Sidious. Sidious called for Anakin for help, something that GL said was Sidious pretending he needed help. He left his body "vulnerable" cause he knew Anakin would turn to the Dark Side that way.

You people are stupid, watch the commentary or shut up.

Originally posted by Gamblor
After being apparently overwhelmed (I'M TOO WEAK) by the purple saber. He blasts the Jedi Master violently out the window quite easily and gets up as if nothing happened.

Originally posted by tdtd
You people are stupid, watch the commentary or shut up.

Reported. And ironically GL also says Palpatine was faking being weak.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes, I mean stabbing Sidious. Sidious called for Anakin for help, something that GL said was Sidious pretending he needed help. He left his body "vulnerable" cause he knew Anakin would turn to the Dark Side that way.

Pretending AFTER HE TRIED TO KILL MACE! He WAS trying to kill Mace but got OVERPOWERED. THEN he decided to call Anakin for help. So yes, I am fully aware that Palpatine played possum, but only after Mace overpowered him. THAT is what GL said. We have to make account for the fact that GL said Mace OVERPOWERED Sidious and that Palpatine's initial lightsaber strike was an attemp to KILL Mace as well!

And tdtd, calm down. No need to start bashing darthsith just because of this.

Darthsid, You're not understanding. I'm talking about two different situations. Palpatine was owned by Mace in light saber combat. Then when his lightning had no effect on Mace, he started playing the victim in front of anakin screaming "i'm weak I can't hold on much longer".

Let's clear this up here:

Palpatines Databank Profile: Windu overpowered Palpatine the instant Anakin Skywalker came running into the offices.

Maces Databank Profile: Windu had disarmed Sidious and cornered the treacherous Sith Lord into the frame of his expansive office window.

Lucas stated in his Commentary that Mace defeated Sidious Fair and square.

Nothing indicates in the script, Databank, books or from Lucas that he was faking until after Mace DEFEATED him.