Don't even try to be a good debater because you aren't one. I repeat myself, read people's posts, the ones I've been telling you to read, and you will see why it is a logical assumption for Exar to be able to block Luke's lightning. Proof positive. Until you can come up with actual proof against my arguments, we are done here.
Originally posted by Fishy
anyways Luke his lightning is described as something like lightning right? That would mean like lightning it can be blocked with a lightsaber or perhaps with the force, now I doubt Exar Kun knew the technique to block something like that with his bare hands but the lightsaber is probably still going to work.
Fishy, I would think that the ability to block lighting would haqve been mentioned somewhere in all of the Sith knowledge that he got.
Both of you are responding under the assumption that Luke's attack launches and strikes like Sith lightning: wrong. The passage describes it as a tangle of pulsing energy around his left hand - not as bolts of lightning flying from his fingertips. In fact, the ''emerald lightning'' works more like a Force-choke in the way it is used. Luke extends his hand, and the Vong just drops, pulsing with the vivid energy of his assault. There's no bolt or beam or wave: just that.
So, assuming that the lightning would work on a Force-user, I don't see how Kun would simply block it with a lightsaber. And because we've never seen or heard of anything like it before TUF, Kun's only conceivable defense - in the event that it is effective against him - would be to stop the lightning before Luke could unleash it.
Don't even try to be a good debator? LOL what does that have to do with anything? You're the one that tells me to "go look at other posts" when I'm asking YOU for proof. Then the namecalling. What arguments? I asked you to prove Kun can block Luke's emerald lightning. Where is your argument lol? Yea it looks like we're done because you don't have an argument and you can't answer mine.
And Faunus good point. All that is stated in TUF book?
Ok...And? It's not about me in this situation. I love when I say someone to someone their natural response is "Well look at you", as some sort of unintelligent defense mechanism. And if you notice my past few days, they have been more of actual posts than "I agree". I like your arbitrary numbers though.
Originally posted by tdtd
Don't even try to be a good debator? LOL what does that have to do with anything? You're the one that tells me to "go look at other posts" when I'm asking YOU for proof. Then the namecalling. What arguments? I asked you to prove Kun can block Luke's emerald lightning. Where is your argument lol? Yea it looks like we're done because you don't have an argument and you can't answer mine.And Faunus good point. All that is stated in TUF book?
Read my earlier posts. They provide proof. You ignored them. That is a sign of a horrible debator and fool.
Faunus, even if it's more like a force choke it's totally possible that Exar can just break it with the force. Just because he hasn't seen it before doesn't mean he can't block against it. Do you think Mace had ever blocked against Sith lightning as of ROTS? Do you think that Luke had ever seen a force storm as of DE? If green lightning couldn't be blocked against and it worked on force users Luke would have pwned Welk with it and the pwned Lomi Plo with it, as neither are even close to Exar in force powers.
Glentract instead of using personal attacks and telling me to refer to your previous posts, why can't you just jot it down in the post? Out of the last 3-4 times you've posted how I'm such a poor debator and moron, you could have just as easily provided the proof. And youre right, absence of proof isn't proof of absence, however with Luke blocking AT-AT fire, we have something to work with in terms of him blocking Kun's blasts. You're just saying it's possible for Kun to block his lightning, that's all. Anything's possible.
And you're saying just because he didn't see it before, doesn't mean he can't block it. We saw how Vodo did up against something he's never seen before.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Faunus, even if it's more like a force choke it's totally possible that Exar can just break it with the force.
The choke-mention was a comparison, Glentract, not a binding statement.
Just because he hasn't seen it before doesn't mean he can't block against it. Do you think Mace had ever blocked against Sith lightning as of ROTS? Do you think that Luke had ever seen a force storm as of DE?
Sith lightning? A visible attack against which Obi-Wan could defend against? I'd be surprised if he couldn't have. And Luke turned the growing storm on Palpatine; he didn't stop it.
You do realize that the same logic can be used against Kun?
''Just because Luke has never been seen to block Kun's attack, it doesn't mean he can't.''
If green lightning couldn't be blocked against and it worked on force users Luke would have pwned Welk with it and the pwned Lomi Plo with it, as neither are even close to Exar in force powers.
If you haven't noticed, Luke's not one to kill on sight: nor are most Jedi. If he'd used it against Lomi Plo or Welk, they'd have been killed, and I'm sure that's something Luke would rather have avoided. If you're referring to Luke's second confrontation with the former, he was busy being peppered by UnuThul's pellets: and in the end, he did slash her into fourths with the flick of his wrist.
And I'm not insinuating that Luke's attack would work on Exar: but it's certainly a possibilty. Besides, he has other attacks at his disposal.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Faunus, even if it's more like a force choke it's totally possible that Exar can just break it with the force. Just because he hasn't seen it before doesn't mean he can't block against it. Do you think Mace had ever blocked against Sith lightning as of ROTS? Do you think that Luke had ever seen a force storm as of DE? If green lightning couldn't be blocked against and it worked on force users Luke would have pwned Welk with it and the pwned Lomi Plo with it, as neither are even close to Exar in force powers.
Mace didn't block force lightning with his force powers but with his lightsaber (which can't be done against emerald lightning). Luke didn't block DE Sidious force storm - he turned it against Sidious and this was done with his potential combined with that of Leia and unborn Anakin. And the ability wasn't used against him directly.
Both not very good examples why Exar would be able to block Luke's emerald lightning. If anything Exar might just resist it since he did "resist" Odan's attack against him (also something unknown to Exar) but on the other hand: If somebody who should be totally immune to force attacks is affected by this I don't see Exar "resisting" it or "blocking it with the force".
And I don't see Luke using instakill abilities on other people with his "Let's turn anybody back to the light side" sickness. He would possibly even try to convert Kun back if he had the chance. That's more likely a philosophical issue than a proof for the inability to use it against force users.
Originally posted by tdtd
Borbarad, wasn't Odan Urr's attack a simple force push?
No Odan Urr tried to remove Exar kun from the force, something Nomi later on did with Ulic.
Both of you are responding under the assumption that Luke's attack launches and strikes like Sith lightning: wrong. The passage describes it as a tangle of pulsing energy around his left hand - not as bolts of lightning flying from his fingertips. In fact, the ''emerald lightning'' works more like a Force-choke in the way it is used. Luke extends his hand, and the Vong just drops, pulsing with the vivid energy of his assault. There's no bolt or beam or wave: just that.So, assuming that the lightning would work on a Force-user, I don't see how Kun would simply block it with a lightsaber. And because we've never seen or heard of anything like it before TUF, Kun's only conceivable defense - in the event that it is effective against him - would be to stop the lightning before Luke could unleash it.
That does totally change the situation, maybe I should try reading some post ROTJ stuff sometimes... Would make all of this stuff a lot easier to know and I wouldn't rely on other people to give me information all the time. It just all seems like so much bullshit and Chewbacca dies 🙁
Originally posted by Borbarad
Mace didn't block force lightning with his force powers but with his lightsaber (which can't be done against emerald lightning). Luke didn't block DE Sidious force storm - he turned it against Sidious and this was done with his potential combined with that of Leia and unborn Anakin. And the ability wasn't used against him directly.Both not very good examples why Exar would be able to block Luke's emerald lightning. If anything Exar might just resist it since he did "resist" Odan's attack against him (also something unknown to Exar) but on the other hand: If somebody who should be totally immune to force attacks is affected by this I don't see Exar "resisting" it or "blocking it with the force".
And I don't see Luke using instakill abilities on other people with his "Let's turn anybody back to the light side" sickness. He would possibly even try to convert Kun back if he had the chance. That's more likely a philosophical issue than a proof for the inability to use it against force users.
Luke never made any attempt to turn Lomi back to the light. I think that he knew from the start that she was too much of a threat to the galaxy to be left alive, as unlike Vader she would have ended up destroying the galaxy. And it's more then just major characters tha he didn't use it on. What about all of the Kiliks who he was obviously ready to kill? He could have pwned them but chose instead to use more conventional force powers. Seeing as Luke has come a long way in going back to a lightside only view of the force, you may be right that it was just a philosophical thing. Why would he abandon his values for this fight? It would be similar to Yoda using Darkside powers against Sidious in ROTS.