Coleman trebor vs. ESB Luke

Coleman Trebor as portrayed in AOTC. Although he's a council member he isn't particularly strong; he's more of a diplomat than a fighter. He did manage to block two of Jango's bolts, though, before dying, even though he wasn't even expecting Jango to be up there and was focused on Dooku. We all know ESB Luke. Fights near the end of ESB, on Cloud City.

Here goes: Vader chucks an onject at Luke with the Force. It hits and breaks the window. The air current sucks Luke out of the window.

Meanwhile, Trebor is on Cloud City, near where Luke is. Luke starts walking cautiously through that thing he walks through in ESB right before Vader attacks him for the last part of their duel. Instead of Vader jumping, out however, Trebor walks towards him and ignites his lightsaber. Luke ignites his lightsaber and they start to fight.

Who walks out alive"

Even Luke's ESB dueling is more impressive than Trebor's Niman "mastery"

Is Luke tired... or is the story just to entertain us?

I've seen Luke block Blaster Bolts and live from trained Imperial officers that were possibly clones of the man who killed Trebor.

Although this doesn't prove much in the line of Lightsaber combat, it shows Luke has a possible overpower on Coleman.

And the same person who killed Vader and took down Sidious is going to be defeated by a hammerhead council member who blocked two shots from a gun and died?

Is Coleman really going to take down the Jedi who became THE Jedi.

trebor wins

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
trebor wins

luk3 w1nz

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Is Luke tired... or is the story just to entertain us?

At that point, Luke was still giving Vader trouble.

Luke wins.

I agree with Sorgo. Luke could continue to contend with Vader at that point, so he could take Coleman.

Is Luke tired... or is the story just to entertain us?

I've seen Luke block Blaster Bolts and live from trained Imperial officers that were possibly clones of the man who killed Trebor.

And the same person who killed Vader and took down Sidious is going to be defeated by a hammerhead council member who blocked two shots from a gun and died?

I think Trebor wins in a close one. Luke's bruised up but not that tired and he'd put up a good fight. But Trebor's had more training and stuff. But IMO it could go either way. idk.

coleman = master on the council
luke = 6 weeks training

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
coleman = master on the council
luke = 6 weeks training

But I do agree that Trebor would probably win.

Uh, Luke's as tired as he is at that point in the film. But he's probably not that tired, he didn't look tired. I'd say at that point of the film he's at his ESB prime.

Vader still had significant trouble defeating Luke. Luke almost got the upper hand and slashed him once.

You have? When? I can't remember that. Maybe I just can't remember but please tell me when. Also, Jango was alot more advanced than any Stormtrooper, even the Clones. He has better weapons, armor and far more experience and, presumably, recieved better training. Plus he's killed Jedi before he fought Coleman and Coleman wasn't expecting him. He was focused entirely on Dooku.

He blocks a set of Speeder Bolts on Endor. Speeder bolts are larger than Jango's Pistol bolts.

Oh, they also pack more power.

If Coleman wasn't expecting Jango, why did he block some of his Bolts? Only to die seconds later? Jango was superior.

Luke also underwent extensive training by master Yoda and was fit to the max.

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I think Trebor wins in a close one. Luke's bruised up but not that tired and he'd put up a good fight. But Trebor's had more training and stuff. But IMO it could go either way. idk.

Eh... I haven't seen Coleman pull off anything spectacular except when he got shot off of a balcony.

Luke is like... The Jedi.

Vader still had significant trouble defeating Luke. Luke almost got the upper hand and slashed him once.

He blocks a set of Speeder Bolts on Endor.

If Coleman wasn't expecting Jango, why did he block some of his Bolts? Only to die seconds later? Jango was superior.

Eh... I haven't seen Coleman pull off anything spectacular except when he got shot off of a balcony.

Luke is like... The Jedi.

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]But Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke, he was just testing him. And he still toom Luke down and had his saber at Luke's throat. He could have killed him right there if he had wanted to.

You're wrong.

If he was testing him. His own son. For a potential apprentice, why would he make him less powerful by cutting his hand off? That's where the bullshit lies.

Vader never had his Saber at Luke's throat! Luke climbed away from him on the Podium. The only thing Vader did close to that was prop his Saber forward when Luke was at least five feet away from him.

So what? This is ESB Luke, not ROTJ Luke.

Fine. In ANH, he blocked pin sized Bolts from a Test Droid while blindfolded.

Did I say he wasn't? No, I only stated the obvious; Trebor leapt up in that top area intending to kill Dooku. Before he could go for Dooku Jango shot at him. Trebor, unexpecting it, still managed to block two shots.

No! Dooku ordered Jango to kill Trebor and Trebor turned around when Dooku signaled Jango. Trebor was prepared.

If he was testing him. His own son. For a potential apprentice, why would he make him less powerful by cutting his hand off? That's where the bullshit lies.

Vader never had his Saber at Luke's throat!

Fine. In ANH, he blocked pin sized Bolts from a Test Droid while blindfolded.

No! Dooku ordered Jango to kill Trebor and Trebor turned around when Dooku signaled Jango. Trebor was prepared.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Omg, Sorgo, he was testing him. "He will join us or die." He cut off his hand to end the duel. Then they could actually talk and Vader could try and lure him.

"Luke glances at the instrument complex floating away. At that instant, Vader's sword comes down across Luke's right forearm"

^ Vader got him when he was looking away. Real good takedown there, eh?

"Luke answers by rolling sideways and thrusting his sword at Vader so viciously that he nicks Vader on the shoulder. The black armour sparks and smokes and Vader seems to be hurt"

Don't try to tell me Vader wasn't having trouble in the fight.

Vader was going all out. Throwing heavy masses of shit at him and trying to kill him with his Lightsaber. He was going all out to test Luke to see if he was strong enough to even remotely compare to Vader. That's how the Sith work.

If you aren't strong enough, you die. That's the theocracy and that's how the gears turn. Luke wasn't doing too bad and Vader was not holding back. It doesn't indicate that in the script and GL never mentions that Vader holds back. It's bullshit.

"Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living... that's something else."

Were the CIS the Living? They killed Two hundred Jedi.

This was technology pre-ANH, by the way.

They were still pin sized and Luke still could see.

Uh huh. And di anyone else see this version of AOTC?

Don't be such a Moron!

Go watch the god damn movie right now, DS19!

He is ready for it. I'm tired of you trying to pull that shit off. Coleman died because he sucked, for christs sake!

HE SUCKED! GET OVER IT!

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
"Luke glances at the instrument complex floating away. At that instant, Vader's sword comes down across Luke's right forearm"

^ Vader got him when he was looking away. Real good takedown there, eh?

"Luke answers by rolling sideways and thrusting his sword at Vader so viciously that he nicks Vader on the shoulder. The black armour sparks and smokes and Vader seems to be hurt"

Don't try to tell me Vader wasn't having trouble in the fight.

Vader was going all out. Throwing heavy masses of shit at him and trying to kill him with his Lightsaber. He was going all out to test Luke to see if he was strong enough to even remotely compare to Vader. That's how the Sith work.

If you aren't strong enough, you die. That's the theocracy and that's how the gears turn. Luke wasn't doing too bad and Vader was not holding back. It doesn't indicate that in the script and GL never mentions that Vader holds back. It's bullshit.

"Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living... that's something else."

Were the CIS the Living? They killed Two hundred Jedi.

This was technology pre-ANH, by the way.

They were still pin sized and Luke still could see.

Don't be such a Moron!

Go watch the god damn movie right now, DS19!

He is ready for it. I'm tired of you trying to pull that shit off. Coleman died because he sucked, for christs sake!

HE SUCKED! GET OVER IT!

wow...you are one of the dumbest people I've seen on here...

Vader was NOT going all out...if he was, Luke would be dead. Case in point, right after Luke tagged his arm, RIGHT AFTER, Vader easily took his hand off...why? Because one he got pissed off, and two, it was Luke's weapon hand, he wanted him disarmed. He could have just as easily cut his head off or force pushed him off the arm they were fighting on. Oh wait, what about his force choke? He was going all out? I think not.

thats how the Sith work huh? Well you can argue this if you wish, and I'm sure you will, but i think anyone will tell you that Vader wasn't 100% "Vader" up there..Anakin was seeping through. He just found the one last part of his old life of love and happiness. Thats why he was making excuses to the Emperor not to kill him, "If he could be turned..." Why not just view him as a threat like EVERY OTHER JEDI? Because he didn't want to kill his son. I think you need to go back and watch all the movies and even throw on the AC and see if you pick up a few things. Cause you are in fact wrong on most if not all your posts.

wow...you are one of the dumbest people I've seen on here...

This is coming from one of the worst debaters in these forums? Hahaha!

Vader was NOT going all out...if he was, Luke would be dead. Case in point, right after Luke tagged his arm, RIGHT AFTER, Vader easily took his hand off

Did you not read what I just posted? Luke was distracted by an item flying into the shaft after Vader had finished one of his missed swings.

Prove that Luke would be did. Hell, prove he wasn't going all out! Lucas never mentioned he wasn't, the script doesn't imply it and the Movie doesn't imply it.

...why? Because one he got pissed off, and two, it was Luke's weapon hand, he wanted him disarmed. He could have just as easily cut his head off or force pushed him off the arm they were fighting on. Oh wait, what about his force choke? He was going all out? I think not.

Yeah, he got mad. He's a Sith. Way to state the obvious. He wanted him disarmed because of the fear of defeat.

And Dooku could have Force choked Anakin in RotS, Maul could have done it to Kenobi, Sidious could have done it to Mace...

Please, man! Vader was TESTING him. And No, he could not have easily just cut off his head.

He was testing his Physical Ability and his Finesse. He was GOING ALL OUT during the process. He wouldn't go easy on him. That is NOT the Sith way, sorry to say.

thats how the Sith work huh? Well you can argue this if you wish, and I'm sure you will, but i think anyone will tell you that Vader wasn't 100% "Vader" up there..Anakin was seeping through. He just found the one last part of his old life of love and happiness. Thats why he was making excuses to the Emperor not to kill him, "If he could be turned..." Why not just view him as a threat like EVERY OTHER JEDI? Because he didn't want to kill his son. I think you need to go back and watch all the movies and even throw on the AC and see if you pick up a few things. Cause you are in fact wrong on most if not all your posts. [/B]

I'm wrong in my post? Listen to your arguements! Here, I'll title them.

UNFOUNDED BULLSHIT

Vader had feelings for his Son? Prove it.

Vader was proclaiming excuses? Prove it.

Those were not excuses. Sidious wanted Luke as a powerful ally. Vader was following orders, not being compassionate.

You complete MORON! He didn't view him as a threat because he was powerful.

I wonder why he became one of the most powerful Jedi in the series!

Sidious and Vader could sense his power. And he was so powerful, even the almighty Vader had trouble with him.

That's the way it rolled.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
This is coming from one of the worst debaters in these forums? Hahaha!

oh no, i'm not geeky enough to argue Star Wars with a guy whose never gonna get laid in his mom's basement *cries*

Did you not read what I just posted? Luke was distracted by an item flying into the shaft after Vader had finished one of his missed swings.

I saw no such item, provide a screenshot.

Prove that Luke would be did. Hell, prove he wasn't going all out! Lucas never mentioned he wasn't, the script doesn't imply it and the Movie doesn't imply it.

Prove he would be did? Prove you passed a high school grammer class. Prove he was going all out. The script, not the movie imply he was going all out either.

Yeah, he got mad. He's a Sith. Way to state the obvious. He wanted him disarmed because of the fear of defeat.

wow dumbass, I was referring to his natural instinct, not the fact of his anger. So yes, if you were hit by a bat by a little kid, you would make him get rid of it as well. Does that mean he would beat you?

And Dooku could have Force choked Anakin in RotS, Maul could have done it to Kenobi, Sidious could have done it to Mace...

no, but he did choke OB1, Maul was too stupid and arrogant, Sidious prefers lightning...

Please, man! Vader was TESTING him. And No, he could not have easily just cut off his head.

why? what stops him from taking another swing at his head? I dont mean motive, I mean physics.

He was testing his Physical Ability and his Finesse. He was GOING ALL OUT during the process. He wouldn't go easy on him. That is NOT the Sith way, sorry to say.
Like you would say, prove it.

I'm wrong in my post? Listen to your arguements! Here, I'll title them.

[b]UNFOUNDED BULLSHIT

Vader had feelings for his Son? Prove it.

Well his job to to eradicate ALL remaining Jedi, he addressed him as "Son" (term of endearment) and the most ruthless killer in the Galaxy did NOT kill his enemy.

Vader was proclaiming excuses? Prove it.

"He's just a boy, OB1 can no longer help him"...."If he could be turned, he would be a powerful allie."

Those were not excuses. Sidious wanted Luke as a powerful ally. Vader was following orders, not being compassionate.

actually Vader was the one to suggest turning him rather than killing him. watch it.

You complete MORON! He didn't view him as a threat because he was powerful.

So he was powerful and yet he did not view him as a threat? And I'M the moron? wow...

I wonder why he became one of the most powerful Jedi in the series!

because as far as movies go, he was the only one left.

Sidious and Vader could sense his power. And he was so powerful, even the almighty Vader had trouble with him.

Yea, in ROTJ...where he was still going easy on him...due to caring for him.

That's the way it rolled. [/B]