What about the fact that Vader only vut off Luke hand and didn't kill him? What about the fact that he had his saber to Luke's throat but didn't kill him? What about the fact that the first thing he did was try and capture him in the Carbon Freezing Chamber? What about the fact that after the fight was over he wasn't even breathing hard, like he was in ANH and ROTJ?
Dooku used one hand to cut off Anakin's arm and to cut up Kenobi in two seperate places. Dooku used one hand to choke Kenobi and then to crush him under a large platform. One hand means nothing. Using one hand was obviously a part of Vader's fighting form, since someone mentioned earlier, Sith like to customize their technique.
He was trying to turn Luke but he was still going all out on him. He was testing to see how good he was. He's not going to back down on someone he is testing. That is NOT THE SITH WAY.
Why the hell would he capture someone he was testing? Holy shit.
In ANH, Kenobi was a significant challenge to Vader. And in ROTJ, Luke ruined Vader. In ESB, Vader had significant trouble but still overpowered his son in the end.
Where did you get the one thousand from?
Apparently, I was wrong, but Dooku says it in the Movie. Check the script.
The remote droid was used by the Jedi in AOTC. What do you think, Sorgo, Obi-Wan just went into Mosiesly a month before ANH and bought a remote droid?
So, do you have proof it's not a renewed Droid?
Even so, what makes it any worse because it's years old?
Luke (by the remote droid).
He also blocked more shots than Coleman did before Jango ripped him apart.
BTW: This is ESB Luke. He has gained more experience in doing this as well.
Yoda did not train Luke between ANH and ESB. Ben's ghost may have given him a few rods of advice every now and then but nothing more than that.
Kenobi trained Luke between ANH and ESB.
Nothing more than that? Now you're assuming? Hell, Prove that Kenobi didn't train him to use seven Lightsabers at a time.
They do. So what if they're the foundation, so if in the script AOTC Obi-Wan pwnd Dooku then it would be official? No. Movies are the second highest source of canon. Lucas comes first. Then the movies. Then the script.
I wonder what they use when they're filming the Movie, when the Characters act, what the Characters do, where they move, who they kill...
Hmm... I'm curious as to where that comes from.
Could it be the Script? ZOMG!
He was holding back at that point, according to Lucas.
You missed the point and you only replied to one of my scenarios.
If Vader could have just Force choked Luke in the battle and killed him, why didn't Sidious do it just to end Mace and not risk his life? Why not do it with Yoda? Why didn't Maul do it with Jinn and Kenobi? Were they all holding back? Please!
Fine, a thousand battle droids, plus General Grievous and about a thousand Geonosians with sonic cannons. And Jango Fett.
I'm Sorry, last time I checked, Jango killed ONE Jedi in that Arena, pwned a Monster and ATTEMPTED to pwn Mace.
Shatterpoint says Jango's the deadliest man. remember that deadliest doesn't mean strongest, just the one with the most kills.
Since when did that rule apply? Most Kills = Most Deadliest? They're two different things.
There's the first error in the script; in the movie, Yoda also lunges forward.
HAHAHA! They're talking about Yoda's Defense!
Except the film contradicts that. In the film at the end Yoda evades, not attacks. And in the film there's no Yoda defending at the beginning, they're both attacking each other.Faunus and Wesker added anything I missed plus alot more.
Yoda didn't defend against Dooku's Force Powers or when Dooku initiated the attack?
I'd like to point out a problem with using the script: the movies are able to be retconned or modified in newer versions according to "better fit GL's vision of the story." In other words, the newest versions of say, A New Hope, are canon and ideal while the earlier versions or not. This is straight out of the SW canon policy. So, if this is the case, scripts cannot be valid if and when they contradict the actual movie.
That's how it is. While a script SHOULD be a good tool to use, it's not bonafide fact. The actual movies are the final elaborations on the script. So that's what we look to in judging the movies. I mean, the ROTS script is vastly different from the movie in a lot of ways. Why would we say the script is more canon?
Well if you kill someone, they're dead...if you have the ability to kill people, you're deadly...so if you have killed the most people, and have the ability to kill even more, you're the deadliest person.
He was trying to turn Luke but he was still going all out on him. He was testing to see how good he was. He's not going to back down on someone he is testing. That is NOT THE SITH WAY.
then by your own theory, Dooku couldn't have possibly been holding back on Anakin, mean Anakin did in fact beat Dooku fair and square, and quite easily...but thats a different thread, it just reminded me in here.
And Vader wanted to capture Luke to take him to the Emperor. Thats why he said, "Reset the chamber for Skywalker, I do not want the Emperor's prized damaged".........."Good, see to it that he finds his way in here(the carbonite freezing room)." Thats why he started the freezing process when Luke fell in. And thats ON FILM, so you cant pull, "Go check the script son." out of your ass.
And Sidious didn't just quickly kill mace because after he started losing, instead of resulting to a quick kill tactic, he decided to use it to sway Anakin more...he couldn't do it to Yoda because they're about equal in knowledge in the force (thats how Yoda refuted his lightning, and why Dooku said it had to go to lightsabers in AOTC), and Maul just wasn't smart enough or powerful enough to do something like that.
I know, I know..."Prove thats why!"...well, prove thats NOT the reasons. and referring to the almighty script, isn't proving anything, if it didn't make it to film.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well if you kill someone, they're dead...if you have the ability to kill people, you're deadly...so if you have killed the most people, and have the ability to kill even more, you're the deadliest person.
Yeah, that's true.
Too bad he only kills one Jedi, a Monster and then gets his head chopped off.
Damn . . . DEADLY!
then by your own theory, Dooku couldn't have possibly been holding back on Anakin, mean Anakin did in fact beat Dooku fair and square, and quite easily...but thats a different thread, it just reminded me in here.
Irrelevant. Has nothing to do with ESB.
And Vader wanted to capture Luke to take him to the Emperor. Thats why he said, "Reset the chamber for Skywalker, I do not want the Emperor's prized damaged".........."Good, see to it that he finds his way in here(the carbonite freezing room)." Thats why he started the freezing process when Luke fell in. And thats ON FILM, so you cant pull, "Go check the script son." out of your ass.
Irrelevant. Doesn't prove Vader held back.
Funny . . . Vader didn't want to damage the "Emperor's Prize" but he cut his hand right off?
Weird . . .
Vader was testing Luke. He wasn't holding back. Vader was pushing him to see if he could surpass him. The Sith way is to fully expand your available horizon.
"If you are not strong enough, you do not deserve to live, let alone walk among the Sith."
^ S I T H
If Luke wasn't strong enough to at least be somewhat parallel to him, he did not deserve life. That's all.
And Sidious didn't just quickly kill mace because after he started losing, instead of resulting to a quick kill tactic, he decided to use it to sway Anakin more...he couldn't do it to Yoda because they're about equal in knowledge in the force (thats how Yoda refuted his lightning, and why Dooku said it had to go to lightsabers in AOTC), and Maul just wasn't smart enough or powerful enough to do something like that.
I know, I know..."Prove thats why!"...well, prove thats NOT the reasons. and referring to the almighty script, isn't proving anything, if it didn't make it to film. [/B]
Exactly!
You honestly can't prove shit!
That's just the way it is. You have all these ridiculous theories and no back up.
"Maul wasn't powerful enough."
PROVE IT! How the hell do you know he couldn't use Force Choke? Hell, He's a Sith so it's safe to assume he can choke someone.
Now Sidious did that to sway Anakin? Actually, since the Script apparently sucks and Lucas is the center of knowledge:
Lucas said in the Commentary that Sidious was overpowered and defeated by Mace, only to begin faking when Anakin entered to spare his own life.
Yoda and Sidious are equal but Mace isn't equal to Sidious?
So . . . It says Mace was on par with Yoda and Mace managed to defeat Sidious and Yoda didn't . . . And you're going to try to tell me Sidious couldn't use a "Quick Kill Tactic" on Yoda but he could with Mace? I call Logical Fallacy.
Where's your god now?