Coleman trebor vs. ESB Luke

^ Vader got him when he was looking away. Real good takedown there, eh?

Vader was going all out. Throwing heavy masses of shit at him and trying to kill him with his Lightsaber. He was going all out to test Luke to see if he was strong enough to even remotely compare to Vader. That's how the Sith work.

Were the CIS the Living? They killed Two hundred Jedi.

This was technology pre-ANH, by the way.

They were still pin sized and Luke still could see.

Don't be such a Moron!

Go watch the god damn movie right now, DS19!

He is ready for it. I'm tired of you trying to pull that shit off. Coleman died because he sucked, for christs sake!

HE SUCKED! GET OVER IT!

and how is that possible, if by the time of ROTJ he only had 6 months. im pretty sure he had 6 weeks by ESB. it says so in the ROTJ Luke vs Qui Gon thread

Go read the script, son.

Meh, not close enough. A winner is a winner.

He still wasn't looking and he did not get a fair chance to defend himself. Actually, I could even state Vader got lucky at that point.

Good damn, Sorgo, we've had this debate before and at the end you admitted that Vader wasn't going all out. And now you've changed your mind again?

Because recently I've been searching for proof that Vader held back because I heard there was some. But I found nothing. Not a single thing AT ALL indicating Vader held back during that fight. Nothing.

Yes, because they outnumbered the Jedi like a five thousand to one!

You mean one thousand to two hundred?

Let's not forget the fact that the two hundred were Lightsaber wielding force users and the thousand were Battle Droids with less capability than Jedi. And the Jedi still got smashed. Until the Clones came to save them.

And so was the remote droid.

The remote droid was ANH Technology. It was in ANH and I'm sure they're not going to use a twenty year old Remote Droid. Ah god.

Yet, in a real fight he'd have been dead before he could even block a bolt. He got shot what? Twice, right?

Who got shot twice? Coleman?

Or Luke?

Wow, way to lose your temper and way to prove your point.

I'm quite tired of your useless semantics.

There were three years between ANH and ESB. I never said he had three years of good training. Alot of it was him training himself.

Along with Kenobi's Ghost and Yodas help. They were PERSONALLY training him one on one.

Wow, Sorgo. To bad the movie contradicts the script.

Wow, DS19. Too bad they don't and too bad they are the foundation for the movie.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
He still wasn't looking and he did not get a fair chance to defend himself. Actually, I could even state Vader got lucky at that point.

You could, but that would be nonsensical. Tell me; when in the movies did Luke look away from the seven-foot Sith in front of him?

Because recently I've been searching for proof that Vader held back because I heard there was some. But I found nothing. Not a single thing AT ALL indicating Vader held back during that fight. Nothing.

a) Obvious emotional conflict: ''We'll rule the galaxy as father and son.''
b) Instead of thursting his lightsaber through Luke's face, he lets him get up and back away.
c) He toys with him using one arm at the beginning of the fight, and still floors him - hell, Luke throws himself down the stairs to get away.
d) He didn't Force-choke him, push him, or crush his skull at the window.

If you're not trying to kill someone, you're holding back.

You mean one thousand to two hundred?

More like several hundred infantry and super battle droids, plus shielded droideka, plus flying Geonosians with sonic weapons that could turn a humanoid into much - as well as land-based sonic cannons, plus a hidden General Grievous tearing Jedi in the catacombs to shreds.

Let's not forget the fact that the two hundred were Lightsaber wielding force users and the thousand were Battle Droids with less capability than Jedi. And the Jedi still got smashed. Until the Clones came to save them.

It was several thousand droids, Geonosians, etc.

The remote droid was ANH Technology. It was in ANH and I'm sure they're not going to use a twenty year old Remote Droid. Ah god.

Lmao! Are you seriously comparing an old ball used to train Padawans to a battle droid created to kill? Next it'll be the Death Star garbage compactor destroying a Trade Federation warship.

Who got shot twice? Coleman?

Or Luke?

Trebor got shot by ''the deadliest man in the galaxy.'' Luke got shot by a little droid that we see Padawans easily handling.

Along with Kenobi's Ghost and Yodas help. They were PERSONALLY training him one on one.

Right; do you have any proof that Kenobi visited Luke once between ANH and ESB? And what version of the OT has Yoda ''personally training' 'Luke for three years before ESB?

Wow, DS19. Too bad they don't and too bad they are the foundation for the movie. [/B]

Right. So Yoda laughed off Dooku's onslaught, spun into action and beat the crap out of him, knocked his lightsaber away, and pounced onto his shoulders, ready to stab him through the heart. Correct?

Originally posted by Faunus
You could, but that would be nonsensical. Tell me; when in the movies did Luke look away from the seven-foot Sith in front of him?

a) Obvious emotional conflict: ''We'll rule the galaxy as father and son.''
b) Instead of thursting his lightsaber through Luke's face, he lets him get up and back away.
c) He toys with him using one arm at the beginning of the fight, and still floors him - hell, Luke throws himself down the stairs to get away.
d) He didn't Force-choke him, push him, or crush his skull at the window.

If you're not trying to kill someone, you're holding back.

More like several hundred infantry and super battle droids, plus shielded droideka, plus flying Geonosians with sonic weapons that could turn a humanoid into much - as well as land-based sonic cannons, plus a hidden General Grievous tearing Jedi in the catacombs to shreds.

It was several thousand droids, Geonosians, etc.

Lmao! Are you seriously comparing an old ball used to train Padawans to a battle droid created to kill? Next it'll be the Death Star garbage compactor destroying a Trade Federation warship.

Trebor got shot by ''the deadliest man in the galaxy.'' Luke got shot by a little droid that we see Padawans easily handling.

Right; do you have any proof that Kenobi visited Luke once between ANH and ESB? And what version of the OT has Yoda ''personally training' 'Luke for three years [b]before ESB?

Right. So Yoda laughed off Dooku's onslaught, spun into action and beat the crap out of him, knocked his lightsaber away, and pounced onto his shoulders, ready to stab him through the heart. Correct? [/B]

thank you.

You could, but that would be nonsensical. Tell me; when in the movies did Luke look away from the seven-foot Sith in front of him?

I detest having to repeat myself:

When he got his hand cut off.

a) Obvious emotional conflict: ''We'll rule the galaxy as father and son.''
b) Instead of thursting his lightsaber through Luke's face, he lets him get up and back away.
c) He toys with him using one arm at the beginning of the fight, and still floors him - hell, Luke throws himself down the stairs to get away.
d) He didn't Force-choke him, push him, or crush his skull at the window.

Any Sith could have done that to any Jedi! I guess Sidious was holding back against Mace because he didn't instantly force choke him or push him out of a window. Oh, and because Maul didn't force choke Kenobi or use another offensive forcep ower to instantly crush him, he must have been holding back too.

Obvious emotional conflict? I think not. He was using methods to persuade his son to join the Dark side. THAT'S Obvious.

Of course he doesn't thrust it in his Son's face! He was trying to recruit him! Point being, he didn't hold back earlier on. If you're testing your son to see if he's powerful, why would you hold back? He's going to give him everything to see if he can compete.

If you're not trying to kill someone, you're holding back.

More like several hundred infantry and super battle droids, plus shielded droideka, plus flying Geonosians with sonic weapons that could turn a humanoid into much - as well as land-based sonic cannons, plus a hidden General Grievous tearing Jedi in the catacombs to shreds.

It was several thousand droids, Geonosians, etc.

"COUNT DOOKU: It wasn't the Geonosians I was thinking about.
How well do you think one Jedi will hold up against a
thousand Battle Droids?"

Lmao! Are you seriously comparing an old ball used to train Padawans to a battle droid created to kill? Next it'll be the Death Star garbage compactor destroying a Trade Federation warship.

Padawans? Where does it say just Padawans? Actually, It's used to hone Jedi's Lightsaber skill and Force Skill.

And you miss the point AGAIN.

Luke was still dodging the Bolts blindfolded and they were still pin sized.

Trebor got shot by ''the deadliest man in the galaxy.'' Luke got shot by a little droid that we see Padawans easily handling.

Trebor wasn't blindfolded.

Deadliest man in the Galaxy? I don't think so. He got pwned moments later by Mace Windu.

There are far deadlier than Jango.

Right; do you have any proof that Kenobi visited Luke once between ANH and ESB? And what version of the OT has Yoda ''personally training' 'Luke for three years before ESB?

Who said he did between then? You're putting words into my mouth now. If you're going to try to make me look silly, try doing it with things I actually said, Faunus.

Who said Yoda trained Luke for three years? What the f*ck? I said they both personally trained him. You saw that. I saw it.

Right. So Yoda laughed off Dooku's onslaught, spun into action and beat the crap out of him, knocked his lightsaber away, and pounced onto his shoulders, ready to stab him through the heart. Correct? [/B]

Not all of us have an outdated version of the script.

Here:

"COUNT DOOKU whirls his lightsaber in a formal salute. YODA
draws his lightsaber. Suddenly, COUNT DOOKU charges across
the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny
figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of
the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that COUNT
DOOKU aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through.
His energy drains. His strokes become feeble, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to
retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and
skill of YODA's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a
humming blur of light. Finally, their blades cross and the
fighting slows.

YODA: Fought well you have, my old Padawan.

COUNT DOOKU: The battle is far from over. This is just the
beginning.

Then, with all his might, COUNT DOOKU uses the Force to
pull on one of the cranes in the hanger. It comes crashing
down toward OBI-WAN and ANAKIN. ANAKIN wakes. But in the
blink of and eye, ANAKIN and OBI-WAN attempt to hold up the
crane, using the Force. YODA closes his eyes and
concentrates, adding his strength to the two fallen JEDI
and moves the crane aside. COUNT DOOKU runs up the ship's
ramp, throwing a look back before going inside."

Kenobi DID visit Luke once,read Splinter of the Minds Eye,thats when Luke and DV first dueled.

Is that book really a form of canon, it sucked.

It was made back in 1978 ,around the time when the movie was first in theaters,I'd say yes.

DV?

Darth Vader.

SotME is hardly canon.

Firstly, I wasn't going to even come into this forum, but I saw Coleman Trebor versus ESB Luke and I knew the fanboys would come out of the woodwork. Faunus nailed it, really. Sorgo, since when did you become a born-again Luke fan? "He is THE jedi..." I had to doublecheck the SN attached to that post. Luke in ESB isn't a jedi. He's not fit to fight Whie from Dark Rendezvous. The fact that Vader was toying with him was so damn evident I could tell when I first saw the movie at age FIVE.

Second, shooting random stormtrooper # 356 does not mean you could stand up to Jango Fett. Likewise, deflecting shots from a stormtrooper isn't the same either. Coleman may have dropped the ball in AOTC when his big moment came, but really... can you blame him? He's going up against Count Dooku, just the best swordsman in the order aside from Mace "I pwn teh n00bs" Windu and Yoda "zOMG teh friggun' spudur!" on top of the deadliest bounty hunter in the galaxy standing not five feet from him. I'd be pissing myself, and I don't even have a weird dino head. Instead of classifying all of his ability under his worst possible trait (Even if it is his only on-screen feat) we should try and be more open minded about it.

For one thing, the databank says Trebor was gifted in the force, and was respected by other jedi masters for his knowledge. Luke... uh.... didn't have the confidence in himself to finish Yoda's basic training (And don't tell me Yoda and Ben's ghost taught Luke enough in perhaps a week or two to defeat a full fledged jedi master. That's just ridiculous). Another thing, Coleman was able to deflect a few shots from Jango. Jango is one bad ass mother****er when it comes to accuracy. He shoots the changeling in the neck with a dart from on top of a friggin' building, he killed the beast in the arena with one shot... Hell, the only people who COULD deflect more than a few of his shots were Obi-Wan the Soresu master and Mace Windu who can fend off gunships with two sabers. Let's not undercut the guy's training and knowledge because Jango "I'm a badass" Fett pwned him. Otherwise I could say that Hulk Hogan can pwn Sidious since Darth Vader did the body slam to him and it killed him.

Meanwhile, we have Luke "I'm a farmboy turned pilot turned Jedi knight" supposively being able to beat a jedi master who has more training with his saber than twelve Lukes combined because of the following:

- He beat Vadur a year later!

- Vadur didn't kill him! They were fighting hardcore to the death, I swear!

- Sorgo, you appear to be using lines from the novelisation. I'd like to point out that the movie > ghostwritten novelisation.

- The remote was Artoo's lovechild and was thus uber. Luke blocking it with about 68.5% accuracy means he is that much closer to God.

- Luke rulez.

- Coleman sux00rz.

- And this is KMC SW Versus, home of the fanboys.

👆

Yet I can't imagine Trebor "pwning" anyone for some reason.

I can't imagine Artoo pwning Super Battledroids prior to ROTS either. Still can't. In fact, I think I hallucinated and saw that.

Because recently I've been searching for proof that Vader held back because I heard there was some. But I found nothing. Not a single thing AT ALL indicating Vader held back during that fight. Nothing.

You mean one thousand to two hundred?

The remote droid was ANH Technology. It was in ANH and I'm sure they're not going to use a twenty year old Remote Droid.

Who got shot twice? Coleman?

Or Luke?

Along with Kenobi's Ghost and Yodas help. They were PERSONALLY training him one on one.

Wow, DS19. Too bad they don't and too bad they are the foundation for the movie.

I guess Sidious was holding back against Mace because he didn't instantly force choke him or push him out of a window.

"COUNT DOOKU: It wasn't the Geonosians I was thinking about.
How well do you think one Jedi will hold up against a
thousand Battle Droids?"

Deadliest man in the Galaxy? I don't think so. He got pwned moments later by Mace Windu.

Who said he did between then?

YODA doesn't budge an inch.

For the first part of
the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that COUNT
DOOKU aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through.
His energy drains. His strokes become feeble, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to
retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and
skill of YODA's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a
humming blur of light. Finally, their blades cross and the
fighting slows.

Faunus and Wesker added anything I missed plus alot more.

Well Im glad other people realize that a first draft script is NOT higher canon than the actual movies.

Originally posted by Fox5
[B]Darth Vader. [/B]

Wow, I'm a dumbass today.

G.G. was at the battle of Geonosis?

Yep. He was underground pwning some fleeing Jedi at the massacre in the Arena. I think he fleed when the Clones arrived.