Jacen/Jaina Solo and Kyp Durron vs Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma

Originally posted by Rayvann
Geez... nevermind that I've known Janus far longer than you, never mind that he told me that he posts so little becuase of the noobs. He's stated it countless times on DTF and EoD.

Nai Fohl while somewhat favored towards the PT era is certainly no fanboy. He is a respected member of the debating community here. Janus even stated that Nai has stated many good points about DN Luke vs Exar.

Here's the three main reasons why I don't post that much here anymore:

1- Tired of the factions. The people who make logical sense (Me, Faunus, IKC, Illustrious, and a few others) make excellent arguments, only to get shouted down by ridiculous, fallacy-ridden opposition. That's not only annoying, it's discouraging after awhile. I've been here a year, literally since the beginning of this subforum, and I don't even like posting in here anymore.

2- Tired of the material. How many matches can we make with the SW universe without using outside material as well? They put the nail in this subforum's coffin when they limited it strictly to SW.

3- Tired of arguing to a wall. People like tdtd make debating ridiculous, because he can't see reason and he won't be swayed. Nai, likewise, never gives an inch, and neither does Glentract. And then there's Hello Friend, and mace=badass and all the other born-again "We've got to stick together because we can't defend our views with good arguments" fanboys who pop in and have their biased and unfounded absolute judgments on every single thread... It's ridiculous. Why would I want to really spend my time here?

Now, I've said before that Nai has made a better argument than tdtd and his goons, but I've never said that he was right or that I had seen enough reason and evidence to be convinced; quite the contrary. But at that point I was so sick of the entire spiel that I stopped posting here. Certainly, I'm just dying to see how Nai and others plan to substantiate just HOW much the 375 planets boosted Raynar's force powers, IF that can be substantiated. Before I get into that debate again, let's just say the effort isn't worth the end result.

make logical sense? Please refer to the thread where you or IKC start stating that Kun could take Ragnos... I don't dispute the fact that your knowledge exceeds mine which results in better arguments, but when other people make logical arguments on Luke or someone against Kun, you scream fanboy, and then get surprised when others do the same to you.

Try quoting me for truth, because I've never said that.

You want me to really search the forum and find where you stated it could go either way?

Originally posted by tdtd
make logical sense?

This is like Hitler or Saddam requesting a fair trial.

Originally posted by tdtd
make logical sense? Please refer to the thread where you or IKC start stating that Kun could take Ragnos... I don't dispute the fact that your knowledge exceeds mine which results in better arguments, but when other people make logical arguments on Luke or someone against Kun, you scream fanboy, and then get surprised when others do the same to you.

Ok neither Janus nor IKC has ever stated that Kun could take Ragnos.

Oh I see, you're the victim here when you do the same thing to others making good arguments for other people.. That makes a lot of sense bro. Someone defends Luke, they're a fan boy, you defend Kun, and youre suddenly making logical arguments.

And it was IKC I believe, I'm looking for it now.

Originally posted by Rayvann
Ok neither Janus nor IKC has ever stated that Kun could take Ragnos.

This is true.

Originally posted by tdtd
You want me to really search the forum and find where you stated it could go either way?

That doesn't mean I said he could take him, does it? As I recall, I used the phrase "up in the air."

By the way, you're committing a logical fallacy:

Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore X is false.

Originally posted by tdtd
Oh I see, you're the victim here when you do the same thing to others making good arguments for other people.. That makes a lot of sense bro. Someone defends Luke, they're a fan boy, you defend Kun, and youre suddenly making logical arguments.

And it was IKC I believe, I'm looking for it now.

Translation: I am a fanboy, and I'm upset that you've found me out (Not that I was real good at hiding it anyways). I am trying to poison the well and make you out to be a fanboy, even though you use things like logical arguments, proof, and real sources to support your stance, while I am a tail-coat grabbing troll who spends entirely way too much time on this forum being an *******.

I understand you perfectly, tdtd.

Originally posted by tdtd
And it was IKC I believe, I'm looking for it now.

Dude I have been witness to countless times where IKC has said that Ragnos would defeat Kun. Where are you getting this crap?

Ah up in the air. So that statement ISNT false youre right. But Luke taking Kun is... I'm glad you know how to put the definitions to good use...

Originally posted by Rayvann
Dude I have been witness to countless times where IKC has said that Ragnos would defeat Kun. Where are you getting this crap?

From a Ragnos gauntlet made a month or two ago..

Applying the outcome of one fight to another without a premise is not only foolish but nonsensical. By what passes for your logic, the outcome of a fight between Ragnos and Jar-Jar is "up in the air."

And you're still trying to commit ad hominem tu quoque. And you've still failed to quote me for truth.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t379985.html

I didn't know "Either way" is up in the air... Ouch IKC... Ouch

I didn't know "Either way" is up in the air... Ouch IKC... Ouch

And you're still trying to commit ad hominem tu quoque. And you've still failed to quote me for truth.

Originally posted by tdtd
You claimed you never stated something, I claim you did, so I provided my claim with proof, making it an accurate statement.. Try again

Read the thread. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Read the thread. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Then you should probably get cracking on learning how it works, tdtd. Never did I say outright that Kun could take Ragnos.

And you're still trying to commit ad hominem tu quoque.

Originally posted by Wesker
Translation: I am a fanboy, and I'm upset that you've found me out (Not that I was real good at hiding it anyways). I am trying to poison the well and make you out to be a fanboy, even though you use things like logical arguments, proof, and real sources to support your stance, while I am a tail-coat grabbing troll who spends entirely way too much time on this forum being an *******.

I understand you perfectly, tdtd.

Thanks for proving my point, Kun fanboy.. Can we say hypocrite?

Which is it IKC, up in the air, either way, or you never saying Kun could outright defeat Ragnos? Get your thoughts in order.