Babe Ruth the true homerun king

There should be an asterick next to Mark Mcguire and Barry Bonds homerun records because Babe Ruth is the true homerun king.He played in an era where the stadiums were much bigger especially yankee staduim,it was much harder to hit a home run there then than it is now.He also wasnt a steriod freak like Mcguire or Bonds.Plus he also played in an era where the strike zone was much larger than it is now-The strike zone has shrunken tremendously over the last 20 years,he did not have first class travel like todays athletes do and the ball was not juiced back then like it is now and he also could not go and watch videos of pitchers and what he did in his previous at bat like today hitters can. Barry Bonds will break the Babes record,thats a given but there will always be an asterisk next to his name when he does it or if he breaks Aarons record as well.I can only cross my fingers and hope not.He is a disgrace to the game with his steriod use and should never have been allowed to come back this year.Shame on the baseball commissioner for allowing that.

We're comparing apples to oranges here. I've got nothing against the Bambino...God rest his soul. But, most historians and baseball analysts old and young alike state the level of pitching back then, outside of a handful of pitchers, sucked.

I say so what then. There are thousands of hi schoolers each year that throw hi 80s to low 90s that never go anywhere today. In that era, these high schoolers would be gods. Ruth didn't face any competition, nor should this not be a knock against him however. But, let's call a spade a spade.

Bonds is a fool for taking steroids. He never had to take them. He already had umpteen Glode Gloves, 500 stolen bases, 500 homeruns, several MVPs...his status was already locked even before his 73 HR season. Shameful I tell ya'.

yea the pitching thing is a big deal, and you are also ignoring hank aaron who is the homerun king as of now and not babe. I dont even care about steriods, you think if I started jucing I could be the same hitteer Bonds has been? Or even if some bum minor leaguers did? NO. Bonds has maybe the best eye in baseball, he has great bad speed and timing, he can see the ball coming off the pitchers hand and identify the pitch better than most. Yes steriods will make him stronger, but he still couldnt do the things he did with out talent. Thats why we saw sosa drop off so much, the man never really had talent he just swung wild, and was able to crush some.

My biggest gripe is Griffey, I wish he wasnt so injury prone or he would have already broke the record and this wouldnt be a conversation. A-Rod and Pujols both have a great shot at is as well.

Well put, ForumCrew.

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Originally posted by forumcrew
yea the pitching thing is a big deal, and you are also ignoring hank aaron who is the homerun king as of now and not babe. I dont even care about steriods, you think if I started jucing I could be the same hitteer Bonds has been? Or even if some bum minor leaguers did? NO. Bonds has maybe the best eye in baseball, he has great bad speed and timing, he can see the ball coming off the pitchers hand and identify the pitch better than most. Yes steriods will make him stronger, but he still couldnt do the things he did with out talent. Thats why we saw sosa drop off so much, the man never really had talent he just swung wild, and was able to crush some.

My biggest gripe is Griffey, I wish he wasnt so injury prone or he would have already broke the record and this wouldnt be a conversation. A-Rod and Pujols both have a great shot at is as well.

Bond's Steroid use did give him crazy numbers that he normally wouldn't have had. He would definitely still have had a good if not better batting average and had more stolen bases but his Slugging, RBI's and HR would likely have been effected.

I do agree with you that if not for Griffey Jr's. injury he would be in the process of breaking this record himself.

Meep-peep, you're half wrong and half right about your assessment of Bonds. Yes, Bonds' use of roids made him put up ridiculous numbers. But, that is what you get when one of the BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME is on the juice. He was this already before he got on the "juice".

Love him. Hate him. Whatever one wants to do is fine...it's their perogative. To not recognize Barry's talent means one or both of 2 things....a) one is too jaded to see his talent, or b) one doesn't know much about baseball. I'm not saying this is you Meep-peep....just speaking in general.

Yeah I think Bonds would still have been a great baseball player without the steroid controversy. His numbers in the run production category wouldn't be as inflated but I really think he would have made up for it somewhat in other areas.

Originally posted by BobbyD
We're comparing apples to oranges here. I've got nothing against the Bambino...God rest his soul. But, most historians and baseball analysts old and young alike state the level of pitching back then, outside of a handful of pitchers, sucked.

I say so what then. There are thousands of hi schoolers each year that throw hi 80s to low 90s that never go anywhere today. In that era, these high schoolers would be gods. Ruth didn't face any competition, nor should this not be a knock against him however. But, let's call a spade a spade.

Bonds is a fool for taking steroids. He never had to take them. He already had umpteen Glode Gloves, 500 stolen bases, 500 homeruns, several MVPs...his status was already locked even before his 73 HR season. Shameful I tell ya'.

true but they have also said that back then they could get away with doctoring the ball which they cant now,that they got away with spitting on it back then,now they dont get away with that and as I said,the Babe had to did not travel in first class style on jets,he had to go by train,which was much tougher on athletes back then than it is for todays stars.I seriously doubt that Bonds in that era could have done what the Babe did playing in much larger ballparks especially having to play your homegames at yankee stadium where again back then,was a pitchers ballpark and not a homers haven like todays ballparks are.and take away Bonds being able to go to the clubhouse and seeing what he did on previous pitches as well and I just dont see him being a great hitter back then like he is in this era.No question that Bonds is a great hitter and can change the outcome of a game but play him in Ruths era in yankee stadium without all the benefits he has in this day and age,no way is he the hitter he is in this era.

Originally posted by forumcrew
yea the pitching thing is a big deal, and you are also ignoring hank aaron who is the homerun king as of now and not babe. I dont even care about steriods, you think if I started jucing I could be the same hitteer Bonds has been? Or even if some bum minor leaguers did? NO. Bonds has maybe the best eye in baseball, he has great bad speed and timing, he can see the ball coming off the pitchers hand and identify the pitch better than most. Yes steriods will make him stronger, but he still couldnt do the things he did with out talent. Thats why we saw sosa drop off so much, the man never really had talent he just swung wild, and was able to crush some.

My biggest gripe is Griffey, I wish he wasnt so injury prone or he would have already broke the record and this wouldnt be a conversation. A-Rod and Pujols both have a great shot at is as well.

I am glad griffey got hurt.I cant stand that bum either.I hate both those guys because they always show off when they hit their homers.I meant to talk more about Aaron.Bonds should still have an asterisk next to his name though when he eventually breaks Babes record which is a given.I just hope that this is his last season like he says it is and he continues with his 3 home runs a month for the year because at that pace,he wont catch Aaaron. 😄 I can live with it when he overtakes the Babe,I just hope he doesnt overtake Aaaron.No matter what Bonds does,The Babe is still the homerun king as far as the most homers in one season goes,thats what I MEANT to say,and Aaron is still the true homerun King as far as all time homers go even if Bonds lies and comes back next year and breaks it if he doesnt this year.

I agree with you about A-rod and Pujols though.If Bonds doenst break Aarons record,I think those two guys eventually will and that will be fine with me if either of those two guys do it because they are not show offs like griffey or Bonds when they hit home runs.they are professional about it.

p.s.I laughed my butt off today when i heard that a giants player fouled off a pitch in batting practice that hit Bonds forehead and got him pissed off. 😂 if only it had hurt him seriously enough to miss the rest of the season.damn. 😄

You're all forgetting Josh Gibson....the TRUE home-run king.

Played in the same era as Ruth for the negro leagues. 970 (give or take, I forget the exact figure) home runs in a comparably long career to Ruth.

And by all accounts, his league was every bit as good, if not a bit better, than the major leagues. He hit over .400 in the cross-league all-star games in his career....against the best pitchers in the majors at the time! Not bottom-feeding pitchers, but .400+ against the best the other league had to offer....the saem ones Ruth was facing. It also helps that the negro leagues won a decent number of those cross-league games too, solidifying their status as a credible league.

Satchel Paige is the most widely known from that era in that particular league, but Gibson was far and away the best home run hitter. For years, people called him the black Babe Ruth. But Ruth was the white Josh Gibson.

...I don't remember the exactities of his career, but all my info is credible. Google him or something if you have any doubt.

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But yeah, Ruth was more dominant than Bonds in his era...he was a sweet pitcher too. And the steroids thing definitely doesn't help the cause for Barry either, even though he's still a sweet player.

What about the Japanese guy?....Sadahara Oh, or something like that.

Me thinks he bashed many a home run too, no?

I hope Pujols breaks it instead of A-Rod. I hate A-Rod. I've always liked Griffey too bad he got injured.

well we can at least agree on Pujols.Yeah if anybody broke Aarons record,I would hope it would be him,dont care for A-rod either,he's just a money player like Johnny Damon.Goes where the money is.Pujols is a class player.Now Griffey,dont know why you would him to,he's a showoff jerk just like Bonds when he hits his homers.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well we can at least agree on Pujols.Yeah if anybody broke Aarons record,I would hope it would be him,dont care for A-rod either,he's just a money player like Johnny Damon.Goes where the money is.Pujols is a class player.Now Griffey,dont know why you would him to,he's a showoff jerk just like Bonds when he hits his homers.

I don't know, I've just always liked him for some reason.

wow i now have 0 respect for you mr. parker. I mean you have always worked your way down, but saying that about griffey ends any chance me ever thinking anything good about you.

also when your talking about people like a-rod going places for the money, remember this is their job most people leave a company to go get a better higher paying job at a new company.

Originally posted by BobbyD
What about the Japanese guy?....Sadahara Oh, or something like that.

Me thinks he bashed many a home run too, no?

Yeah, but is he playing in the world's premiere league? Ruth was. Gibson was. Bonds is. Kinda hard to make a case for him when he's essentially playing Triple-A ball with guys trying to make it to the states. I have no doubt he's sweet as hell and a great long-ball hitter, but there's always that asterisk.

And no comments on Gibson?? Blah, I wish Sportscenter would say something about him or something...dude deserves some recognition.

I agree with forumcrew on basically everything....roids make you stronger, they dont help you see the ball better or make you faster. Babe was good, but not the best. I think he is so looked up too becasue of his homeruns. If you look at the stats, he also had a lot of strikeout. Last time I checked bonds had a lot of walks....

Originally posted by Mr Parker
INo matter what Bonds does,The Babe is still the homerun king as far as the most homers in one season goes,thats what I MEANT to say

Um, Babe Ruth hasn't had the most home runs in one season for 45 years....so if that's what you meant to say, then you're wrong either way.

Originally posted by forumcrew
wow i now have 0 respect for you mr. parker. I mean you have always worked your way down, but saying that about griffey ends any chance me ever thinking anything good about you.

also when your talking about people like a-rod going places for the money, remember this is their job most people leave a company to go get a better higher paying job at a new company.

like that bothers me any. 😄 I stopped taking anything you said seriously when you could not deal with it that the year before, the steelers only beat the jets because the jets had a crappy kiker who choked.you actually thought the steelers had a prayer in that playoff loss back then to the patriots. 😄 I can always bring up that post that I made you eat dirt back then from that NFL thread if you like if you dont believe you said that back then.. 😆

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Um, Babe Ruth hasn't had the most home runs in one season for 45 years....so if that's what you meant to say, then you're wrong either way.

uh I know that,I have been saying that Bonds and Mcguire are NOT the true number one and two homerun kings over ruth because of their sterios use. 🙄 and Maris was never the true homerun king either when he broke his record because he had more games to do it in than Ruth did.so Ruth is still the TRUE homerun king for a season.