Babe Ruth the true homerun king

Originally posted by C-Dic
Last I checked, steroids don't improve your timing or how you see the ball, and as an FYI, McGwire, in his rookie year, fresh off the USA baseball team, he had 48 HR's, which was the most by a rookie.

But, of course, he was probably on those hand/eye coordinating steroids back then, too.

But steriods increase your power, which helps you out when you dont hit the sweet spot of the bat, so you can muscle it out.

I personally think Ruth but thats my opinion.

Higher mound made it better for pitchers.
The ball was crap was known as the dead ball. (The ball is soo tightly wounded up, its crazy)
The stadiums were massive back in the day. You had a couple of smaller stadiums, but you also have massive staduims. Yankee stadium was alot bigger than before and Polo Grounds was huge.

But thats my opinion, and the history makes baseball so intruging.

for a change,we agree with each other Smasanian. 😄 thats pretty much the reasons I listed on why I say the Babe is the true home run king.Yeah I forgot about how the mound was much higher back then than it is now and like I said earlier,the strike zone back then was MUCH larger then than it is now.Pithers have it really tough these days because the strike zone has shortened so much the last 10 to 15 years its unreal.Plus the ball is so juiced up now these days where even shortstops-the little guys who in 2 decades ago would only average like 10 to 15 homers a year,NOW they are averaging like hitting over 30 to 40 easily.that used to be unheard of for shortstops.But with that shortened strike zone they have now these days,a mound that is much lower than the old days,and a juiced ball,homers have been flying out of ballparks like crazy the last couple of decades and have increased dramatically.its crazy.

this is the problem i have with you, you try to use stats to prove a point without looking at the actual stats.

lets look at your SS claim.

First of all theres nothing that says every SS must be a little guy Jeter is 6'3 Tejada is shorter but is around 215 pounds.

so SS used to avergae 10 to 15 HR a year according to you but now 30-40.

Well last season not a single SS hit 30 HR's Tejada lead all SS's with 26, only 10 SS's even hit 10 or more. The average HR's of the top 25 HR hitting SS's for last year was only 13.48 Take into account the rest of the SS's who had a meaningful number of AB's and this number would drop even more.

Arky Vaughan (hes considered one of the best SS's of all time) managed to hit 19 HR's in 1935 only 5 SS's managed to do that last season. Honus Wagner hit 10 in 1898!

My point is that it is pretty clear that there has not been some crazy change in SS's ability to hit the long ball.

Regarding Ruth, no I do not think hes the greatest HR hitter of all time. Now if you wanna talk Greatest overall player Id have to give it to Ruth because he was also a dominant pitcher.

I totally agree with forumcrew(again) next time you bring in information make sure its true. 30-40 homers by anybody is no easy task.

babe ruth as of right now is the true 2nd best homerun king, but in a week minimum he will #3 with bonds at #2. if were talkin about a seasons homeruns then barry bonds is the king until someone comes and knocks 74 homeruns out of da park. dont care about all this talk he hasnt even failed a drug test, and even if he did i would still give him the credit with noo asterisk. makes me sick to the stomach when people say asterisk next to his record

Why?

Steroids obviously helped him out, and if he is proven he has done them, why should his home run record stand if he cheated?

If Ben Johnson's 100 M got disqualified, why cant Bond's record be disqualified?

they cant prove that he did it in that season plus he passed the drug test... wtf

Originally posted by PINBALL
^???

he wrote an article about steroids in baseball and baseball fans obsession with statistics

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/americansports/comment/0,10160,1560110,00.html

Hank Aaron has 755 Homeruns in 12,364 At Bats.

Babe Ruth has 714 in 8,399 At Bats .

Bonds has 713 Homeruns in 9,221 at bats.

You make the call.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
they cant prove that he did it in that season plus he passed the drug test... wtf

When did he pass the drug test?
It's only mandatory since last year.

So during that year, Bond's could of taken steriods.

Also, you can prove that Bond's did take steriods. You can prove it through trainers testomonial, athletes and people who supply the drug. It's pretty easy.

yeah the mandatory drug test only started last year.Also you got to remember his ex wife has said that he experienced impotence when they were having sex at times which is a side effect of steroids,he also a couple years back displayed violent behaviour towards his teammates in the dugout over some tiny little thing.I remember that moment very well.They showed the clip all day long when it happened.Violent irrational behaviour is also a side effect as well.Then there is Jose Cansecos book that was released last spring before the baseball season began confessing that he did steriods and that teammates Mark Mcguire and Jason Giambi knowingly and willingly did them as well.He also mentions in the book of players he hung out with that did them including Rafael Palmero and Barry Bonds as well.A lot of the players attacked Jose and hated him over the book and were doing so because he knarcked on them.Seems Cansecos book has a lot of truth to it since Palmero one of the names he mentioned in the book,tested positve for steroids last summer AFTER the book got released.His former also has gone public and said the players canseco mentioned did indeed do them.Including Bonds.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Hank Aaron has 755 Homeruns in 12,364 At Bats.

Babe Ruth has 714 in 8,399 At Bats .

Bonds has 713 Homeruns in 9,221 at bats.

You make the call.

Wow I was not aware of that.Thanks for posting that Pezmerga.After seeing those statistics,I fail to see how anybody could possibly say that Bonds is the true home run king after Aaron.After seeing those statistics,I now got to say that Aaron is not the all time home run king either.That the Babe is the True all time home run king as well.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
babe ruth as of right now is the true 2nd best homerun king, but in a week minimum he will #3 with bonds at #2. if were talkin about a seasons homeruns then barry bonds is the king until someone comes and knocks 74 homeruns out of da park. dont care about all this talk he hasnt even failed a drug test, and even if he did i would still give him the credit with noo asterisk. makes me sick to the stomach when people say asterisk next to his record

You must be a Giants fan out in San Francisco.Makes me sick to the stomach that giants fans and fans such as yourself DONT put an asterisk next to his name. 😛

Bonds will pass Babe, Okay it took him a little longer to do it so what is still hard to hit that many homeruns. They won't ever prove bonds used steroids, I'm not seeing he took them or not the fact is that he is still not been formally proven of taking steroids. What ever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty?

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Hank Aaron has 755 Homeruns in 12,364 At Bats.

Babe Ruth has 714 in 8,399 At Bats .

Bonds has 713 Homeruns in 9,221 at bats.

You make the call.

This doesnt mean much. All it really shows is the babe wasnt able to have as long of a career as the other 2. Being able to get to a higher number faster doesnt make you the king. Otherwise we could count other people in this debate.

Like Albert Pujols he hit 19 HR's already this year and its quicker than anyone has ever got to 19 before.

Sticking with Albert in his first 827 games hes hit 220 HR's. Babe hit 197 in his first 795 games.

At about 7,200 AB's griffey was at 500HR's and he had already experienced injury problems, but griffey couldnt stay healthy enough to break the record. It is widely believed that if griffey didnt have injury issues Bonds would be a non factor right now because he would be trailing Griffey. But the fact is griffey did have injury problems he couldnt keep his career going as long as good. This is why Aaron is #1 because longivity in your career matters, its not just if someone can hit as many as you did faster or not.

The simple fact is the record is most CAREER home runs so if you are able to have a longer career than others than more power to you. Maybe if Ruth took better care of himself he could of kept his numbers up for longer and this debate wouldnt of took place, but he didnt and the fact is he was passed. Record are meant to be broken except Cal Ripkens which is possibly the most immortal of all baseball records.

oh side note for you barry haters, Albert is on pace for 83 this year so for once maybe you can have a *clean* hitter take over Babes record fo 60.

^Agreed again(what a surprise)

Originally posted by forumcrew
This doesnt mean much. All it really shows is the babe wasnt able to have as long of a career as the other 2. Being able to get to a higher number faster doesnt make you the king. Otherwise we could count other people in this debate.

Like Albert Pujols he hit 19 HR's already this year and its quicker than anyone has ever got to 19 before.

Sticking with Albert in his first 827 games hes hit 220 HR's. Babe hit 197 in his first 795 games.

At about 7,200 AB's griffey was at 500HR's and he had already experienced injury problems, but griffey couldnt stay healthy enough to break the record. It is widely believed that if griffey didnt have injury issues Bonds would be a non factor right now because he would be trailing Griffey. But the fact is griffey did have injury problems he couldnt keep his career going as long as good. This is why Aaron is #1 because longivity in your career matters, its not just if someone can hit as many as you did faster or not.

The simple fact is the record is most CAREER home runs so if you are able to have a longer career than others than more power to you. Maybe if Ruth took better care of himself he could of kept his numbers up for longer and this debate wouldnt of took place, but he didnt and the fact is he was passed. Record are meant to be broken except Cal Ripkens which is possibly the most immortal of all baseball records.

oh side note for you barry haters, Albert is on pace for 83 this year so for once maybe you can have a *clean* hitter take over Babes record fo 60.

it is a big deal when it is thousands of at bats greater than ruth..

Well those people can go be little whinny bitches somewhere else....

Originally posted by forumcrew
This doesnt mean much. All it really shows is the babe wasnt able to have as long of a career as the other 2. Being able to get to a higher number faster doesnt make you the king. Otherwise we could count other people in this debate.

Like Albert Pujols he hit 19 HR's already this year and its quicker than anyone has ever got to 19 before.

Sticking with Albert in his first 827 games hes hit 220 HR's. Babe hit 197 in his first 795 games.

At about 7,200 AB's griffey was at 500HR's and he had already experienced injury problems, but griffey couldnt stay healthy enough to break the record. It is widely believed that if griffey didnt have injury issues Bonds would be a non factor right now because he would be trailing Griffey. But the fact is griffey did have injury problems he couldnt keep his career going as long as good. This is why Aaron is #1 because longivity in your career matters, its not just if someone can hit as many as you did faster or not.

The simple fact is the record is most CAREER home runs so if you are able to have a longer career than others than more power to you. Maybe if Ruth took better care of himself he could of kept his numbers up for longer and this debate wouldnt of took place, but he didnt and the fact is he was passed. Record are meant to be broken except Cal Ripkens which is possibly the most immortal of all baseball records.

oh side note for you barry haters, Albert is on pace for 83 this year so for once maybe you can have a *clean* hitter take over Babes record fo 60. [/B]

Longevity does matter, but I dont think you can overlook Homeruns to At Bats Ratios. 4000 More at bats is an INSANE amount. Bonds is a lot closer at about 900 more At bats, But any Idiot can tell he used something illegal to help his longevity.

And for Albert? Hey Id love to see the guy break the record, but he won't. Even if he has 40 or whatever by july, People will just walk him more and more. People are wimps these days.

ForumCrew, the question is who is the best home run king, not who has the most homeruns.
And Ruth is because he did it in 4000 less at bats than Aaron.
On an other note, people use that fact for saying that Barry Sanders is the better runningback than Emmitt Smith.

If Pujols breaks the record and overall breaks the record with those numbers you showed, than Pujols will be.