Originally posted by BLAK FOX
After much consideration I'm going to have to say Dooku wins this. This type of fight would be very unorthodox and it is extremely hard to determine how it would work in reality or who the winner would be, but I believe that Dooku has many qualities that make it seem very probable that he would be the victor.Firstly his swordsmanship would help him a lot in this fight.
He has displayed incredible ease with dealing with multiple opponents (and not amateurs like Kolar or Tinn (well not general amateurs but amateurs compared to Anakin and Obi-Wan), but Anakin and Obi-Wan - two of the order's finest swordsmen) and I believe that this is due to his experience with a saber and his refinement of Makashi. The point being, his ease and competence with dealing with multiple opponents would be a great asset for him with this type of unorthodox fight with multiple opponents. The fact that Mace was so incompetent with working with his 3 jedi masters to apprehend Sidious also leads me to believe that he would not be competent with multiple combatants period, whether they are on his side or whether he is against them. Yoda and Sidious are both Ataru masters, and Ataru is generally known for being weak against multiple opponents (KOTOR2 backs this up).The fact that Dooku only needs to wield his saber with one hand while he duels makes it easier for him to pull off a force power while dueling and I think that this would also greatly benefit him in the fight. I mean it is already an unorthodox and strange fight for all of the combatants so why not make it harder for his opponents by combining his saber dueling with force powers. And we have all seen him display the mastery and control of the force that is needed to carry this out competently.
My final point is that every single one of these combatants are pretty close on terms of power levels (and Dooku is arguably the best saber dueler out of the bunch and the 3rd best force user), and that any fight involving these four force users would be incredible and last quite a bit of time whether it involves just 2 of them or tag teams or whatever. But when you make the fight more complicated and foreign to the combatants like this fight, the fight would probably last even longer and because of these points I would think that fatigue would play a huge factor on the result of this fight, and Dooku’s use of Makashi enables him to use up the least amount of energy as possible, whereas Sidious and Yoda’s Ataru means that they use up too much energy (especially Yoda considering the degree to which he uses the force to augment his physical attributes. And Mace is probably the most likely out of all four of them to slip up and die before fatigue becomes a deciding variable (his defence is his weak point and DEFENCE is probably THE most important quality in this type of fight). Because of these points, I say Dooku takes it.
Wow!!! That is incredibly detailed yet perfectly accurate. For once I was having doubts about the great Counts ability to win, but this is one heck of an argument and has reminded me of the overwhelming strength the Count posesses!! Count Dooku will win. It will be only by a small margin though.clappingclapping
I think you are misenterpreting what I am saying.I am not disputing the fact that Yoda is probably the overall strongest person their and in a one on one battle he might be any of the others. However his skills and strengths arent suited to a four way battle like the Counts are.
This battle will use a heck of a lot of energy. Dookus Makashi style uses minimum while Yodas Ataru uses heaps. Yoda will probably be the first to tire because of his age and his duelling style.
Yodas style involves a lot of complicated flips and swirls. These are very effective against ONE opponent or someone with a blaster but definetly not three other highly skilled jedi/sith. Dooku however is a master of Makashi, the lightsaber vs lightsaber style. He was trained for this sort of battle and will excel at it.
Finally Dooku has extensive knowledge of the dark side. He duels with one hand so can fight and force lightning an opponent at the same time. Yes we saw Yoda simply throw his lightning aside but Dooku was at least 10 metres away and neither had their lightsaber out. The lightning would more than likely make contact in a duel or at least divert Yodas attention so the Count can deliver the killing blow.
I love how the newbies use words they have no concept of, only because they've seen them used before.. No I won't read your thread because I have no desire.. It's very simple, a fatal four way.. And Yoda is the greatest of these, the fastest, the one with the most force abilities or at the least, as good as Sidious in the force. In saber combat, I would put Sidious as last, and Mace=Yoda. In the force, you have Yoda=Sidious, or maybe better. You're not going to see Sidious chucking pods at the other 3 contenders without getting slashed. At the end it would be either Yoda and Mace or Yoda and Sidious, and Yoda will win.
Originally posted by BLAK FOX
After much consideration I'm going to have to say Dooku wins this. This type of fight would be very unorthodox and it is extremely hard to determine how it would work in reality or who the winner would be, but I believe that Dooku has many qualities that make it seem very probable that he would be the victor.Firstly his swordsmanship would help him a lot in this fight.
He has displayed incredible ease with dealing with multiple opponents (and not amateurs like Kolar or Tinn (well not general amateurs but amateurs compared to Anakin and Obi-Wan), but Anakin and Obi-Wan - two of the order's finest swordsmen) and I believe that this is due to his experience with a saber and his refinement of Makashi. The point being, his ease and competence with dealing with multiple opponents would be a great asset for him with this type of unorthodox fight with multiple opponents. The fact that Mace was so incompetent with working with his 3 jedi masters to apprehend Sidious also leads me to believe that he would not be competent with multiple combatants period, whether they are on his side or whether he is against them. Yoda and Sidious are both Ataru masters, and Ataru is generally known for being weak against multiple opponents (KOTOR2 backs this up).The fact that Dooku only needs to wield his saber with one hand while he duels makes it easier for him to pull off a force power while dueling and I think that this would also greatly benefit him in the fight. I mean it is already an unorthodox and strange fight for all of the combatants so why not make it harder for his opponents by combining his saber dueling with force powers. And we have all seen him display the mastery and control of the force that is needed to carry this out competently.
My final point is that every single one of these combatants are pretty close on terms of power levels (and Dooku is arguably the best saber dueler out of the bunch and the 3rd best force user), and that any fight involving these four force users would be incredible and last quite a bit of time whether it involves just 2 of them or tag teams or whatever. But when you make the fight more complicated and foreign to the combatants like this fight, the fight would probably last even longer and because of these points I would think that fatigue would play a huge factor on the result of this fight, and Dooku’s use of Makashi enables him to use up the least amount of energy as possible, whereas Sidious and Yoda’s Ataru means that they use up too much energy (especially Yoda considering the degree to which he uses the force to augment his physical attributes. And Mace is probably the most likely out of all four of them to slip up and die before fatigue becomes a deciding variable (his defence is his weak point and DEFENCE is probably THE most important quality in this type of fight). Because of these points, I say Dooku takes it.
Weren't you going to refute this tdtd?
Originally posted by tdtd
Wrong.. Sidious=Yoda on higher ground. Yoda did indeed disarm Sidious, which is why Sidious got the higher ground. And where does it show him gaining upper hand? The part where he couldn't stop a coming pod, or the part where his lightning was killing him?
As I offered to Illustrious, it speaks well for Sidious - if he managed to escape Yoda, unarmed, to get the higher ground. 😉
You'll note that Sidious and Yoda were on equal ground in the office, and I did not see the little green master overpower Sidious. I also saw that, as they fought on the Chancellor's podium, Sidious maintained the central position [until he was forced back by Yoda] and then even managed to retake it and force Yoda back to Mas Amedda's chair. Sidious also managed to maintain the central position and forced Yoda to do his acrobatics to try and move Sidious from the podium [which he failed].
However - Yoda's subtle superiority was shown when he managed to break all of their saberlocks, and then disarmed Sidious.
Sorry, Tdtd, I do believe Yoda would defeat Sidious - but not with any ease, and nor is he dramatically superior to the Sith Lord.
For the thread - I say Yoda wins.