An easier function is the quick quote. It's the smaller button next to the quote button on the right. You can quote multiple people in a single post with it.
For example:
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Hey Tac, try to do just a single post, I don't know if we're allowed to double post and stuff.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Oh, I see. So then how do I get multiple quotes?
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Well... Just click on "Quote" above where it says: Color, Font and stuff, and paste the paragraph. I hope it helps...
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Well... Just click on "Quote" above where it says: Color, Font and stuff, and paste the paragraph. I hope it helps...
Originally posted by XanatosForever
An easier function is the quick quote. It's the smaller button next to the quote button on the right. You can quote multiple people in a single post with it.For example:
Ah-ha. Very nice. Thank you.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I beg to differ. Based off of evidence from FF7 and FF8 I'd say Cloud would be the winner. They had to crank up Squalls (and everyone elses) abilities in Dissidia to make it a fare fight for everyone. I'd sooner go with evidence outside of Dissidia.
Well my friend, I'll try to revive Cloud Vs. Squall since it seems kind of dead. Let me reply to your post.
So... Why Cloud would win?
We don't know who would win this fight. Cloud might be a super-soldier but Squall has limit breaks that seemingly split the planet. In dissidia Squall's exMode lionheart wasn't given all of its number of hits. They both needed their friends in order to beat the ultimate enemy of their game as well. So they kind of cancel each other out.
You're half-right, GS. Squall actually performs his tradition limit combo, which is Renzozuken into a finisher. The difference in Dissidia is that his only finisher is now Lionheart, and it's only given the final blow. Rough Divide, Fated Circle, and Blasting Zone have all been nerfed as signature moves, but not finishers.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
We don't know who would win this fight. Cloud might be a super-soldier but Squall has limit breaks that seemingly split the planet. In dissidia Squall's exMode lionheart wasn't given all of its number of hits. They both needed their friends in order to beat the ultimate enemy of their game as well. So they kind of cancel each other out.
That's not quite right. Cloud defeat Sephiroth himself at the end. Also, you can't take limit breaks as valid evidence, as they are game mechanics and not accurate representations of the characters abilities.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Well my friend, I'll try to revive Cloud Vs. Squall since it seems kind of dead. Let me reply to your post.So... Why Cloud would win?
Cloud has been genetically enhanced, Squall is just someone who is good with a sword. On top of that, Cloud seems to come out on top of Squall even before his enhancements if we look at the encounter with Sephiroth in the reactor. Cloud took a sword to the chest, pulled himself up the blade and still had enough strength to lift Sephiroth off his feet and throw him from the bridge. When we compare that to Squall taking a hit in the side with an icicle and going down with one shot, it further reinforces my stance. Furthermore, Cloud defeated Sephiroth twice. Sephiroth was pretty much the strongest swordsman in the whole FF7 universe. I see no inclination that Squall is considered anywhere near that level. In fact, Seifer seems to be on the same level as Squall, if not better.
We also have to look at reasons Squall would beat Cloud. The majority of the reasons I have encountered are that his limit break, Lionheart, is better than Omnislash. But this is hardly valid evidence, as Lionheart is simply a game mechanic, just like materia, and GFs, and as such cannot be used to show anything. Even if I DID allow it to be used, the fact that it hits a few extra times does not, in any way, prove that Squall is better. Certainly not when we also take into account the rest of the evidence supporting Cloud.
Although poorly explained on my part, Squall should have gotten his original number of hits from his limit combo. They had no problem finishing Omnislash in dissidia and they even gave cloud omnislash version 6 as an Hp attack. So how come they couldn't give Squall a Brv attack that brached off into Renzozuken or something. The game developers could have found a way.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Cloud has been genetically enhanced, Squall is just someone who is good with a sword. On top of that, Cloud seems to come out on top of Squall even before his enhancements if we look at the encounter with Sephiroth in the reactor. Cloud took a sword to the chest, pulled himself up the blade and still had enough strength to lift Sephiroth off his feet and throw him from the bridge. When we compare that to Squall taking a hit in the side with an icicle and going down with one shot, it further reinforces my stance. Furthermore, Cloud defeated Sephiroth twice. Sephiroth was pretty much the strongest swordsman in the whole FF7 universe. I see no inclination that Squall is considered anywhere near that level. In fact, Seifer seems to be on the same level as Squall, if not better.We also have to look at reasons Squall would beat Cloud. The majority of the reasons I have encountered are that his limit break, Lionheart, is better than Omnislash. But this is hardly valid evidence, as Lionheart is simply a game mechanic, just like materia, and GFs, and as such cannot be used to show anything. Even if I DID allow it to be used, the fact that it hits a few extra times does not, in any way, prove that Squall is better. Certainly not when we also take into account the rest of the evidence supporting Cloud.
Yes, that's if Squall is not using GFs.
You forgot the GFs power. Squall counts with enhancements thanks to the GFs, for me easily putting him in pair with Cloud in terms of 'power'. A normal human aided by GFs is not longer a normal human in Final Fantasy VIII not matter how hard your train. Squall has trained all of his life in an military academy, mastered the most difficult blade and we can say he's the best swordsman in the world, however, Cloud was just an infantry man with no experience with swords. In conclusion, I'd say this is a draw, but that Squall can put more victories in the table.
GF's, summons etc. shouldn't IMO be allowed because then it's not just the dude fighting but calling up an army of beings to aid him, or one other entity to fight for him. IMO again kind of lame.
Squall's showing in Diss intro, which is a canon game, is the only thing making me think he'll last a while, or a long one against Cloud. I don't consider anything shown exclusively in gameplay. Gameplay says anyone in FF7 cannot deal more damage than a full-powered Wakka throwing an underwater soccer ball at you - yeah no.
Well from what we know, Squall is the better swordsman of the two due to the fact that he had training although Cloud would give Squall the fight of a lifetime. In the long run this thread is Captain America vs Batman with swords. Can't we all just get along and say that they jumped Tidus and beat him like he owed them money. Or since Wakka killing monsters with a beach ball isn't funny(it both pitiful and hilarious) they can just do a drive-by at his house...hut...or whatever.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yes, that's if Squall is not using GFs.
You forgot the GFs power. Squall counts with enhancements thanks to the GFs, for me easily putting him in pair with Cloud in terms of 'power'.
Where do you get that? As far as I see, GFs allow people to summon and cast magic, both of which are game mechanics mind you.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
mastered the most difficult blade and we can say he's the best swordsman in the world,
Okay, I'm going to stop you right there. You are going to have to explain to me how you reached this conclusion. Where is it ever mentioned that Squall is the greatest swordsman in the entire world? Like I said, Seifer tops him, or is, at the very least, on par.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Cloud was just an infantry man with no experience with swords.
I see this brought up continually and I am still having trouble understanding what this proves. Cloud may have started as an infantry, but he grew WAY beyond that. Cloud fought Sephiroth, that easily makes him on level with Soldier first class. We are looking at what he can do NOW, not what he WAS before. The fact that he was, at one time, an infantry is completely irrelevant.
Where do you get that? As far as I see, GFs allow people to summon and cast magic, both of which are game mechanics mind you.
GF's also allow you to boost your stats and I'm not sure but I think they do too. I think the explanation is that its the GF's that make them into super-humans.
But I havn't played in a while :/
edit: Wiki agrees with me. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
GF's also allow you to boost your stats and I'm not sure but I think they do too. I think the explanation is that its the GF's that make them into super-humans.But I havn't played in a while :/
edit: Wiki agrees with me. 🙂
It's still game mechanics. I haven't played FF8 in a long time either, but I don't remember there being any example of GFs turning them super human outside of the battle system.
Just like equipping a new sword does more damage for the battle system when in reality they are both going to kill you with one slash.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Where do you get that? As far as I see, GFs allow people to summon and cast magic, both of which are game mechanics mind you.
I'm not talking about that. It is stated that the GFs provides strengths to the users. Also Quistis said it to Squall in the game itself, the fact is that a human who is enhanced by GFs is not longer a 'normal' human. SeeD cadets were using Magic (Thunder, Blizzard, Fire) while fighting Galbadian soldiers in that cut-scene (Disc 2). GFs aren't only part of the Gameplay, they are part of the story line.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Okay, I'm going to stop you right there. You are going to have to explain to me how you reached this conclusion. Where is it ever mentioned that Squall is the greatest swordsman in the entire world? Like I said, Seifer tops him, or is, at the very least, on par.
Squall defeated Seifer alone without problem, Seifer could be near, but he's not as strong as Squall. I have reached that conclusion because there is no other swordsman above Squall in the FFVIII universe as there is not other above Sephiroth in FFVII.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I see this brought up continually and I am still having trouble understanding what this proves. Cloud may have started as an infantry, but he grew WAY beyond that. Cloud fought Sephiroth, that easily makes him on level with Soldier first class. We are looking at what he can do NOW, not what he WAS before. The fact that he was, at one time, an infantry is completely irrelevant.
Exactly, he has started as infantry, while Squall has started mastering the most difficult blade at the same age. As how they are now, I just can look Squall at Dissidia since he doesn't have any spin-off. Squall defeated Ultimecia alone. Cloud fought Sephiroth in Advent Children, it is stated that Sephiroth was toying with him, Sephiroth is stronger than Cloud despite that he was defeated, Sephiroth never used his full power. Cloud and Sephiroth had an "spiritual" fight at the of FFVII, that wasn't a real fight, Cloud's will surpassed Sephirtoh's.
GrieverSquall is right about Sefier. They might be in the same league, but Squall has multiple victories against him, including 1 solo, while Seifer has none. Best Seifer could do was cheapshot Squall in a training session and even that ended in a stalemate.
He is also right about GFs granting their users superhuman abilities. The whole junction thing was gameplay, but it was part of the story.