Originally posted by GrieverSquall
He could get rid of a dying Sephiroth by all the advantages he had at hand, and you jump to 'Cloud can throw any men while having a weapon passing through him'? Lolz. Sorry, he just couldn't against any of the people I have mentioned. He couldn't when he was much stronger. Deal with it. 😬I think yes, he couldn't even make it into SOLDIER, there were hundred of people much stronger than Cloud.
I'm just letting you know what I see. And I can see an enhanced Cloud in the scene, which obviously could get rid of a dying man. Cloud could have received a lil enhancement since he was being exposed near the Mako energy.
It was wielded perfectly, if you ask me. Watch LO and CC, both shows Cloud doing the same. OBVIOUSLY there was no display of swordsmanship, Cloud sucked, remember? 🙂 Yeah, sure, read above.
Hmm, then Sephiroth doesn't have super-strength, neither any FF character, with the exception of Cloud, Zack or Angeal. Biased much?
Let me see... Primary attack = canon, you get it now? Cool.
Yeah, but, those slashes are usually... far more powerful than any normal slashes. Haven't you noticed?!?! Besides, in this case is good to know how he demolishes giant monsters with it, and for that, you need something called physical strength.That was super-speed, bro. REALLY?! He comes from behind?! Damn, I didn't know that. I'll tell you what he did. He sends the guard to ''sleep'' without breaking sweat. Don't believe it was fast? It was less than a second. Still don't believe me?! Oh man, he was coming from far away, notice how he's already on air and from above the prison's center. He's even with a blue aura. Incredibly fast, if you ask me.
Nice dowplaying. 🙂
What Cloud does to break through a guy standing on a door? HE DRESS AS A WOMAN! 💃
Yeah, Cloud couldn't do it to those guys unless they let him. But if they did, he'd be able to. But that's the point. Like I said, the characters aren't important. It's just the fact that he was able to throw heavy objects all while having a blade through him after pulling himself up it.
You're point being? Cloud wasn't his usual self in that reactor. He wasn't the lame blue guy you've seen up until that point. The lame blue guy you saw up until that point couldn't do any of what he did. And neither could any other blue dudes. Or Squall, for that matter if we remember his little run in with a flipping icicle.
And I'm saying it's inconsistent. That scene changes almost every time they make one of those little FF7 spin offs. I think it's far safer to go with the original.
When did I say Sephiroth doesn't have super strength? Just because they DON'T lift heavy objects doesn't mean they don't have super strength, but it DOES mean we need some other way of telling that they have super strength, and so far you haven't been able to provide any.
Far more powerful? Are you bringing in game mechanics again? I see Squall slashing with a sword. I see nothing super strong. Anyone can slash with a sword, GreiverSquall. I can't believe you are trying to claim that you must have super strength to slash a sword. Something every game character does without super strength.
How far away did he come from? Hmm? He came from OFF SCREEN. Tell me, how do you know where he started that jump? He isn't moving fast at all. He's moving normal speed. The blue tail was just to make it look fancy. You guys are REALLY getting desperate aren't you?
Originally posted by IndridCold
Wow pretty incredible jump if you ask me. lol Sarcasm aside, I can safely say no human could ever do that. He probably just cleared nearly 65 to 85 feet with that jump. Given the angle and speed he was coming down I would easily call it a Superhuman feat (and most others probably would too!). Lets do more of a play by play lolLook at the angle....it's insane.
He went from that first picture I posted to this one in about .4 seconds, unless you want to count that little slide he did at the end its probably more like .8, but thats really just him slowing himself down from the velocity of the leap. Given the angle and speed that he was coming down...he probably just jumped from the other side of the room. And anybody that played final fantasy 8 can tell you that aint no small room lol
Griever I'm pretty sure you got him with this arguement. Well back off to play StarCraft2 any of you guys play??? lol
This is almost funny. I've watched that scene, there is no super speed. He jumps on scene from behind. That's all that happens in that shot. He isn't moving any faster than normal, he might be jumping higher than a normal person should be able to, but that's pretty common in a fantasy game. The blue streak was for effect.
If you guys are starting to sink into the nonsensical again I think I'm going to call it quits again right here.
Originally posted by TacDaveyI never said anything about the "blue streak," it's more the angle that I'm concerned with in that particular shot, so please take that out of your head. And this isn't part of any cg cutscene or gameplay. And I don't really care about how common something is in some other game.
This is almost funny. I've watched that scene, there is no super speed. He jumps on scene from behind. That's all that happens in that shot. He isn't moving any faster than normal, he might be jumping higher than a normal person should be able to, but that's pretty common in a fantasy game. The blue streak was for effect.If you guys are starting to sink into the nonsensical again I think I'm going to call it quits again right here.
For Squall to do that jump it probably took incredible strength that no human should be capable of. To be superhuman you need to be "Beyond ordinary or normal human ability or power." Even IF the speed is normal which is still arguable, the strength it took to even make that jump is of superhuman caliber. You can't argue that by calling it just common in video games. You HAVE to do better than that.... If you want to disregard this point as mere "common in video games" then that's pathetic.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Wasn't aware you were Square and could make such a statement.People on the internet are so silly.
You don't sound smart enough, I'm afraid.
Now start laying those 'feats' of yours, or get yer head out of this thread, you're not making yourself any favors.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Yeah, Cloud couldn't do it to those guys unless they let him. But if they did, he'd be able to. But that's the point. Like I said, the characters aren't important. It's just the fact that he was able to throw heavy objects all while having a blade through him after pulling himself up it.You're point being? Cloud wasn't his usual self in that reactor. He wasn't the lame blue guy you've seen up until that point. The lame blue guy you saw up until that point couldn't do any of what he did. And neither could any other blue dudes. Or Squall, for that matter if we remember his little run in with a flipping icicle.
And I'm saying it's inconsistent. That scene changes almost every time they make one of those little FF7 spin offs. I think it's far safer to go with the original.
When did I say Sephiroth doesn't have super strength? Just because they DON'T lift heavy objects doesn't mean they don't have super strength, but it DOES mean we need some other way of telling that they have super strength, and so far you haven't been able to provide any.
Far more powerful? Are you bringing in game mechanics again? I see Squall slashing with a sword. I see nothing super strong. Anyone can slash with a sword, GreiverSquall. I can't believe you are trying to claim that you must have super strength to slash a sword. Something every game character does without super strength.
How far away did he come from? Hmm? He came from OFF SCREEN. Tell me, how do you know where he started that jump? He isn't moving fast at all. He's moving normal speed. The blue tail was just to make it look fancy. You guys are REALLY getting desperate aren't you?
1. So you admit Cloud can't do it in an actual fight, unless they 'let him', logically they wouldn't, nobody is like Sephiroth. He could have retaliated in AC though, guess what, he didn't, and he was much stronger. Deal with it. You should really praise Sephiroth, not Cloud.
2. Are you sure? That's why he sucked, right? 'Cause, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There were far more powerful people than Cloud... you know, the ones that could join SOLDIER. It seems Cloud couldn't do what other people did either, then. 😐
3. Dunno, maybe that's the main reason Cloud could do it, and they explained it with an animation and focusing the scene on his eyes, I don't really know. At least it is logical, he was exposed near Mako. It is backed up.
4. if I see someone pick up a giant bolder, the safe bet is on them having super strength.
Just because they DON'T lift heavy objects doesn't mean they don't have super strength
You basically contradicted yourself there. So, choose, you need to lift a heavy object to have 'super-strength' or not? Let's remember anyone could have lifted the Buster Sword.
5. Yep, more powerful, special attacks usually are, ya know? I'm not precisely talking about Gameplay numbers. Like you said, you don't need to lift something 'big' to be strong. Kind of funny how you step towards the 'feat argument' now, when you called it 'nonsensical rubbish' in the Beatrix vs. Cloud thread. And I can't believe you don't even grasp what I'm writting. Point me out where I said you must slash something to be strong, humor me.
6. As far as I can see in the scene, he comes from above the prison's center, the room itself is pretty much big, thus from far away. Normal speed? I Loled. An effect? Prove it, it looks more like they added it for a purpose, probably the quick slash. Try hitting a man and send him unconscious by jumping 25 meters long in less than a second. Come on! Don't blame me now, you wanted feats outside battles. Lol.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
You don't sound smart enough, I'm afraid.Now start laying those 'feats' of yours, or get yer head out of this thread, you're not making yourself any favors.
Not smart enough? Well I'm afraid I can't go on living, now that someone has insulted my intelligence on the internet.
Seriously though, I disagree with you, ergo, I don't sound smart?
And no. I want this thread dead if you recall. Though if you must, Cloud has better speed because I believe he is a bullet timer. This little cutscene from the game right here at 9:03 proves that. That and AC seems to indicate such, as well as him matching blows with Sephiroth and cutting bits of a building with relative ease, indicating better strength.
Could be far better strength and speed feats, but since I do not care at all about this thread, and I want it to die, I'll take my leave.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not smart enough? Well I'm afraid I can't go on living, now that someone has insulted my intelligence on the internet.Seriously though, I disagree with you, ergo, I don't sound smart?
And no. I want this thread dead if you recall. Though if you must, Cloud has better speed because I believe he is a bullet timer. This little cutscene from the game right here at 9:03 proves that. That and AC seems to indicate such, as well as him matching blows with Sephiroth and cutting bits of a building with relative ease, indicating better strength.
Could be far better strength and speed feats, but since I do not care at all about this thread, and I want it to die, I'll take my leave.
Someone missed the entire argument. Responses to this are in previous pages.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Someone missed the entire argument. Responses to this are in previous pages.
lol I don't want to actually argue, instead I want to ignore video evidence and say it's been disproven so he'll go back and read more of the stupid thread that already has tons of words for everyone to see.
No. 😐
Disprove me, now. If it's been posted already, just quote.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol I don't want to actually argue, instead I want to ignore video evidence and say it's been disproven so he'll go back and read more of the stupid thread that already has tons of words for everyone to see.No. 😐
Disprove me, now. If it's been posted already, just quote.
No I'm just tired of repeating myself and why would I want to go back when I already know what has been said? That seems like the lesser informed person's problem.
For one thing that wasn't even bullet timing at the slightest, they did not open fire until after he turned the corner. Don't know how it matters though, spinoffs are the only thing that ever showed it.
Two, to keep it short and simple, what feats does Cloud have from FF7? And where does all of his real feats come from?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not smart enough? Well I'm afraid I can't go on living, now that someone has insulted my intelligence on the internet.Seriously though, I disagree with you, ergo, I don't sound smart?
And no. I want this thread dead if you recall. Though if you must, Cloud has better speed because I believe he is a bullet timer. This little cutscene from the game right here at 9:03 proves that. That and AC seems to indicate such, as well as him matching blows with Sephiroth and cutting bits of a building with relative ease, indicating better strength.
Could be far better strength and speed feats, but since I do not care at all about this thread, and I want it to die, I'll take my leave.
Well, surely Indridcold felt the same way for being called 'silly' on the Internet. Anyway.
Lol. Bullet timer in that scene? Double lol. Seriously, biased much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgUUcZfQ4cw
I suppose Tidus and all his gang are bullet and 'bomb' timers in this one, sure. Triple lol.
AC feats... Go back some pages for God's sake.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
No I'm just tired of repeating myself and why would I want to go back when I already know what has been said? That seems like the lesser informed person's problem.For one thing that wasn't even bullet timing at the slightest, they did not open fire until after he turned the corner. Don't know how it matters though, spinoffs are the only thing that ever showed it.
Two, to keep it short and simple, what feats does Cloud have from FF7? And where does all of his real feats come from?
If by lesser informed, you mean person who really doesn't want to read incredibly long posts that accomplish nothing, then I suppose that's what I am. But hey, since you already know it has been said, quoting it was an easy way out. Since you did not, you're sadly not arguing.
So I guess they can't aim, instead of it being graphical limitations at the time. Cool. And wait, are you telling me that because FF7 is actually the game fans want to see and thus creators gave more of, the feats don't count? Do the feats not count at all because they're not in the game? Because your opinion aside, they most certainly do.
Feats from FF7 that come to mind are mostly durability feats. Falling off large heights and not getting hurt all that bad, falling into the lifestream and getting out, taking a sword to the chest and still picking up Sephy to throw him down the reactor. The latter is the only feat I've seen being argued and yet I still don't follow it or care because your posts are unforgivably long and more than a little biased.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Well, surely Indridcold felt the same way for being called 'silly' on the Internet. Anyway.Lol. Bullet timer in that scene? Double lol. Seriously, biased much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgUUcZfQ4cw
I suppose Tidus and all his gang are bullet and 'bomb' timers in this one, sure. Triple lol.
AC feats... Go back some pages for God's sake.
People is plural, meaning I find everyone on the internet to be silly. Which naturally includes myself.
Well different circumstances apply, the enemy is mainly focusing on the ship and they are sliding on a rail. They're at a far better distance as well, meaning the enemy can't aim so well. But yes, it does make them exactly that, as I do seem them flipping and what not, dodging fire.
Even Crisis Core feats is enough. And I lol at the Squall side saying "Go back and read" just so I can see a pointless series of threads deciding whether Squall was the strongest because he was the leader of the garden and so on and so forth and I don't care. 🙂
Oh and I am silly for not including this: This thread needs to die, fanboyism is everywhere, including the poll so you do not believe I'm being forgiving to FF7 fanboys. It's filled with far more useless and pointless text than FF7 and 8 combined. That and Squall and Cloud are fairly boring characters that I don't give a damn about. So, don't bother responding to me. Because to me, it's /thread.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
People is plural, meaning I find everyone on the internet to be silly. Which naturally includes myself.Well different circumstances apply, the enemy is mainly focusing on the ship and they are sliding on a rail. They're at a far better distance as well, meaning the enemy can't aim so well. But yes, it does make them exactly that, as I do seem them flipping and what not, dodging fire.
Even Crisis Core feats is enough. And I lol at the Squall side saying "Go back and read" just so I can see a pointless series of threads deciding whether Squall was the strongest because he was the leader of the garden and so on and so forth and I don't care. smile
Oh and I am silly for not including this: This thread needs to die, fanboyism is everywhere, including the poll so you do not believe I'm being forgiving to FF7 fanboys. It's filled with far more useless and pointless text than FF7 and 8 combined. That and Squall and Cloud are fairly boring characters that I don't give a damn about. So, don't bother responding to me. Because to me, it's /thread.
I'm glad you consider yourself silly. As for the rest, dunno, I suppose they would care less about what a silly person says about them...
Even IF they were 'bullet timers', which is obviously nonsense, still doesn't prove Cloud is. It proves they are bullet timers.
It's more of the same shit, actually. CC, AC, ACC, DoC, there are no differences whatsoever. FFVII has none of those, hell, FFVII has none, AT ALL. I'm quite positive most of the FF characters can do what the FFVII team does on their movies and CG animations, cuz, most of them are stronger. You're biased, simple as that.
Yes, I am a Squall fan, don't you see? Well, if that's the way you think, why even bother in posting on this thread? That didn't make sense.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelJust because you don't care doesn't mean they arent solid arguements.... But anyways, just saying feats are sided with Cloud isn't good enough. Cloud beat sephiroth. Who gives a crap, Squall and company downed a much tougher opponent. Other than that and jenova cells, most arugments for Cloud are coming from additional content that wasn't afforded to Squall. And it's simply because he wasn't as popular as his counter part Cloud. If he was, I'm sure he'd be doing all the same crazy stunts that Cloud does in AC and the other characters do in the other expanded content. All I want is for other people (plural) to at least acknowledge Squall rivals Cloud. But for the most part Cloud fans just waive Squall as a simple push-over and frankly it's a real slap in the face. I don't see this thread ever dieing as long as there are people out there who feel just as strongly about Squall as others do about Cloud. Sorry.
Even Crisis Core feats is enough. And I lol at the Squall side saying "Go back and read" just so I can see a pointless series of threads deciding whether Squall was the strongest because he was the leader of the garden and so on and so forth and I don't care. 🙂
Originally posted by GrieverSquallJust noticed this but......LoL Good catch
if I see someone pick up a giant bolder, the safe bet is on them having super strength.Just because they DON'T lift heavy objects doesn't mean they don't have super strength
You basically contradicted yourself there. So, choose, you need to lift a heavy object to have 'super-strength' or not? Let's remember anyone could have lifted the Buster Sword.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
1. So you admit Cloud can't do it in an actual fight, unless they 'let him', logically they wouldn't, nobody is like Sephiroth. He could have retaliated in AC though, guess what, he didn't, and he was much stronger. Deal with it. You should really praise Sephiroth, not Cloud.2. Are you sure? That's why he sucked, right? 'Cause, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There were far more powerful people than Cloud... you know, the ones that could join SOLDIER. It seems Cloud couldn't do what other people did either, then. 😐
3. Dunno, maybe that's the main reason Cloud could do it, and they explained it with an animation and focusing the scene on his eyes, I don't really know. At least it is logical, he was exposed near Mako. It is backed up.
4. if I see someone pick up a giant bolder, the safe bet is on them having super strength.
Just because they DON'T lift heavy objects doesn't mean they don't have super strength
You basically contradicted yourself there. So, choose, you need to lift a heavy object to have 'super-strength' or not? Let's remember anyone could have lifted the Buster Sword.
5. Yep, more powerful, special attacks usually are, ya know? I'm not precisely talking about Gameplay numbers. Like you said, you don't need to lift something 'big' to be strong. Kind of funny how you step towards the 'feat argument' now, when you called it 'nonsensical rubbish' in the Beatrix vs. Cloud thread. And I can't believe you don't even grasp what I'm writting. Point me out where I said you must slash something to be strong, humor me.
6. As far as I can see in the scene, he comes from above the prison's center, the room itself is pretty much big, thus from far away. Normal speed? I Loled. An effect? Prove it, it looks more like they added it for a purpose, probably the quick slash. Try hitting a man and send him unconscious by jumping 25 meters long in less than a second. Come on! Don't blame me now, you wanted feats outside battles. Lol.
1. Yes, I admit that Cloud can't do it unless the person doesn't retaliate for some reason. I admitted that before. But that's not the feat. If it was, then that would be important. It's not the feat, so it's not important.
2. Cloud sucked when he was the little blue guy with the gun. But during that scene, he got a little boost of awesome or whatever. Probably from having his home town destroyed. It happens in video games and TV shows all the time. The main character sucks, something traumatic happens and he suddenly gets awesome.
3. Regardless, there is nothing in the original to suggest that, and again, it seems to straight up contradict the rest of the story, where the experiment failed on Zack because of his enhancments, yet succeeded on Cloud.
4. No I don't. If someone picks up a giant bolder, you can tell that they are super human. But just because someone DOESN'T pick up a giant bolder doesn't mean they AREN'T super human. It just means they didn't pick up a giant bolder. It's perfectly possible that someone is super human and just never picked up a giant bolder before. There is no contradiction there. Both those things are 100% true. I never said you HAD to pick up a giant bolder to be super human, only that you can tell that someone is if they do it.
5. Sure. You said Squall's Renzokuken, which is nothing more than some quick sword slashes, proves he has super strength. Since Squall does nothing in that attack other than slash his sword, I assumed that was what was suppose to prove he was super strong.
And that's still ignoring the fact it's a battle animation.
6. Less than a second? You mean since he came on SCREEN. We have NO idea when he started that jump, don't try to act like we do. There is also no evidence to suggest he jumped over the middle either. All that scene shows is him jumping normal speed from behind and slashing a guy.
Originally posted by IndridCold
I never said anything about the "blue streak," it's more the angle that I'm concerned with in that particular shot, so please take that out of your head. And this isn't part of any cg cutscene or gameplay. And I don't really care about how common something is in some other game.For Squall to do that jump it probably took incredible strength that no human should be capable of. To be superhuman you need to be "Beyond ordinary or normal human ability or power." Even IF the speed is normal which is still arguable, the strength it took to even make that jump is of superhuman caliber. You can't argue that by calling it just common in video games. You HAVE to do better than that.... If you want to disregard this point as mere "common in video games" then that's pathetic.
No it isn't. If something is common in a video game, then it's only impressive when compared to us, in reality. Look at everything Tifa does. She does all of that without being super human. Final Fantasy has people doing pretty big jumps without being super human. That, and the fact that Squall's jump wasn't even THAT big.
Originally posted by IndridCold
Just noticed this but......LoL Good catch
Not you too. Surely you can see the difference between those two points.
Originally posted by TacDavey
1. Yes, I admit that Cloud can't do it unless the person doesn't retaliate for some reason. I admitted that before. But that's not the feat. If it was, then that would be important. It's not the feat, so it's not important.2. Cloud sucked when he was the little blue guy with the gun. But during that scene, he got a little boost of awesome or whatever. Probably from having his home town destroyed. It happens in video games and TV shows all the time. The main character sucks, something traumatic happens and he suddenly gets awesome.
3. Regardless, there is nothing in the original to suggest that, and again, it seems to straight up contradict the rest of the story, where the experiment failed on Zack because of his enhancments, yet succeeded on Cloud.
Okay, but Sephiroth didn't retaliated in AC, Cloud had time to do so... Cloud was much stronger, and he couldn't, that means, he can't toss any men, he could toss a dying Sephiroth, and for PIS 😐
That's called PIS, then. Yep, a VERY weak character, suddenly, because he gets just angered, he becomes the most powerful in the universe, ask Gohan, lol. As for Cloud, he was a ShinRa infantryman, thus a 'blue guy'. Although Gohan gets awesome, Cloud doesn't, as I already pointed out, he was lucky.
Then it's a ret-con, dunno. I said I'm not getting into Last Order, just wanted to point that out, which apparently it isn't unimportant.
Originally posted by TacDavey
4. No I don't. If someone picks up a giant bolder, you can tell that they are super human. But just because someone DOESN'T pick up a giant bolder doesn't mean they AREN'T super human. It just means they didn't pick up a giant bolder. It's perfectly possible that someone is super human and just never picked up a giant bolder before. There is no contradiction there. Both those things are 100% true. I never said you HAD to pick up a giant bolder to be super human, only that you can tell that someone is if they do it.5. Sure. You said Squall's Renzokuken, which is nothing more than some quick sword slashes, proves he has super strength. Since Squall does nothing in that attack other than slash his sword, I assumed that was what was suppose to prove he was super strong.
And that's still ignoring the fact it's a battle animation.
6. Less than a second? You mean since he came on SCREEN. We have NO idea when he started that jump, don't try to act like we do. There is also no evidence to suggest he jumped over the middle either. All that scene shows is him jumping normal speed from behind and slashing a guy.
Well, even if you deny it, still sounds a bit contradictory, but whatever. Cloud is enhanced with Jenova Cells, thus super-human, Squall on the other hand, has his own GF enhancements, thus super-human. Now, we don't really HAVE to see something on screen, you don't need to see something to know something. As I said, you don't need any enhancements to lift a big sword, at all.
Special attacks usually are more powerful than just normal slashes, Cloud's skills are also stronger than one of his normal slashes, it's logic. They are quick slashes because Squall IS quick. Squall demolishes giant monsters with it, you need strength to do so.
Yeah, but like you said we can take some things from them. 🙂
Or just 1 second, considering the guy was about to fire his machine gun and Squall's intent was to save Zell's head. So yep, it was pretty fast. Pause the scene, he's already from above te prison's center, there's no escape. 🙂 And like Indridcold said, for that jump you need incredibly amount of physiscal strength, and from what I see Squall didn't break a sweat to do so. 😄 Without mentioning that the blue aura is even faster than Squall's slash, which could mean is petty damn fast.
Oh and what Tifa does in FFVII? 😕
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If by lesser informed, you mean person who really doesn't want to read incredibly long posts that accomplish nothing, then I suppose that's what I am. But hey, since you already know it has been said, quoting it was an easy way out. Since you did not, you're sadly not arguing.So I guess they can't aim, instead of it being graphical limitations at the time. Cool. And wait, are you telling me that because FF7 is actually the game fans want to see and thus creators gave more of, the feats don't count? Do the feats not count at all because they're not in the game? Because your opinion aside, they most certainly do.
Feats from FF7 that come to mind are mostly durability feats. Falling off large heights and not getting hurt all that bad, falling into the lifestream and getting out, taking a sword to the chest and still picking up Sephy to throw him down the reactor. The latter is the only feat I've seen being argued and yet I still don't follow it or care because your posts are unforgivably long and more than a little biased.
Wow you take things out of context worse than Tac 😐
Lesser informed meaning basically what you said except you're repeating things that are already answered. No that would not be the easy way out cause I would have to find the certain page, the easier way for me was for the lesser informed person to at the least skim by everything and get an idea of what is going on, don't try to get smart, you're not.
What did that have to do with aim? READ THIS: CLOUD WAS AROUND THE CORNER WHEN THEY OPENED FIRE I can put it in larger text if it helps you understand. Once again taking words out of context, did I not say that the spinoffs already have shown that he was capable of it? I don't believe I said they don't count did I? People are basing facts on FF8's graphical limitations and the fact they don't have spinoffs despite Squall doing things of equal/greater value to what Cloud did in FF7.
Obvious Cloud is tough he gets beaten often 😬
What does the life stream thing even have to do with a feat? He came out like anyone else with intense mako poisoning that can't handle it. And he didn't get out himself, you're washed ashore after being in the lifestream. The only thing the Mako poisoning things have shown is his weak mental strength, he didn't respond at first until he saw Zack die and after he recovered a week later he thought he was Zack and 2nd time it took Tifa's help in his mind... somehow... to help him figure out who he was and piece his mind together.
Depending on which version of that fight you go by Seph was thrown off or jumped off, either way he was badly injured and Cloud couldn't pull it off again even when he was much stronger. No doubt the first one was due to injuries and some strange stroke of luck like a FF7 limit. Don't see what was really biased, my initial vote for this thread was for Cloud until I replayed FF8 a second time and re-thought my opinion since it was simply based off of 'Who had the spinoff feats?' too bad I can't switch the vote.
Originally posted by TacDaveyThat 'WAS' a pretty big jump...
No it isn't. If something is common in a video game, then it's only impressive when compared to us, in reality. Look at everything Tifa does. She does all of that without being super human. Final Fantasy has people doing pretty big jumps without being super human. That, and the fact that Squall's jump wasn't even THAT big.
Anyways If all the other characters in the FF world are doing things I'm seeing Cloud do, it really brings into question what a damn superhuman in a damn final fantasy game is. If I see Tifa and Squall doing "superhuman stunts" that are all so "common" as you put it, in the final fantasy world what does that make Cloud? a Supersuperhuman?? Obviously those non-superhumans (Tifa, Barret, Cait Sith etc.) were around at the end of Final fantasy 7 fighting Sephiroth just as much as Cloud was. ITS COMPLETLY FEASIBLE TO ASSUME CLOUD IS NOT UNTOUCHABLE BY A NON-SUPERHUMAN. Especially when it comes to Squall...In fact, we had a perfectly good arguement against jonova cells..... and it was GF's... but it's as if you just waived that arguement off because you don't know the mechanics behind it. And I must admit neither do I, but what I do know is that SeeD's simply put, beat ass when they have them. Without GF's "common people" don't beat ass in FF8. It's pretty logical there are probably some superhuman capabilty behind GF's yes??
In fact I challenge you. That jump Squall did in the youtube video is probably more impressive than anything I saw Cloud do in FF7, outside of the combat system. If you can prove me wrong, please, go ahead and make me eat my words.