I just hated how they crapped all over Cloud's progress to make him emo again.
You can make him troubled, but going to those extremes? Did he not learn anything from the FF7 ordeal? Did he not learn that walking away and not facing reality is never good. Did it not almost cost him his personality? Bah *Doesn't continue out of fear of smashing DVD on wall*
Originally posted by Terryc250And once again, old ass graphics and engine. Sephiroth was in CGI in FFVII, and we never saw him do shit all that impressive in cutscenes til AC.
Well it was possible because we didn't see Cloud in CGI battle before, but we have seen Squall and ehh.. wasn't too impressive
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I just hated how they crapped all over Cloud's progress to make him emo again.You can make him troubled, but going to those extremes? Did he not learn anything from the FF7 ordeal? Did he not learn that walking away and not facing reality is never good. Did it not almost cost him his personality? Bah *Doesn't continue out of fear of smashing DVD on wall*
And once again, old ass graphics and engine. Sephiroth was in CGI in FFVII, and we never saw him do shit all that impressive in cutscenes til AC.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And once again, old ass graphics and engine. Sephiroth was in CGI in FFVII, and we never saw him do shit all that impressive in cutscenes til AC.
Quoted for truth.
Fact of the matter is Square Enix was simply milking FF7, and what better way to do this than with a top of the line CGI an hour and a half movie riding Cloud's dick.
Had they decided to milk FFVIII I am confident things would have gone the same way with Squall.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Well Cloud was emo when he figured out his past was a lie and all that, then he became even more emo after Aeris died, he overcame the truth about his past but in the ending it was clear he was still thinking about Aeris when he said "I think i want to go meet her" or somethin, but at the end of AC he finally lets go and he smiles at the end (a sign of becoming un-emo)
Cloud was anything but emo by the end of FFVII. He has finally accepted his reality. He admitted to Tifa and everyone that he didn't make SOLDIER 1st Class--a failure that made him hide from Tifa and his mother...even when it was the last chance he had to meet his mother(unknown to him). He apologized to the party and assumed leadership of the party like a true leader. He accepted his feelings for them and cared about them--such as when Yuffie is sick from flying around and Cloud tells her to do some squats*If I remember right* to distract her mind...something he learned to do since he got sick from flying too. He goes to the center of the planet to cut his ties to Sephiroth and save the planet--something he did not care about in the beginning of the game. Him wanting to meet Aerith is not a sign of being emo. He simply wanted to apologize and say goodbye to a dear friend.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeCloud was anything but emo by the end of FFVII. He has finally accepted his reality. He admitted to Tifa and everyone that he didn't make SOLDIER 1st Class--a failure that made him hide from Tifa and his mother...even when it was the last chance he had to meet his mother(unknown to him). He apologized to the party and assumed leadership of the party like a true leader. He accepted his feelings for them and cared about them--such as when Yuffie is sick from flying around and Cloud tells her to do some squats*If I remember right* to distract her mind...something he learned to do since he got sick from flying too. He goes to the center of the planet to cut his ties to Sephiroth and save the planet--something he did not care about in the beginning of the game. Him wanting to meet Aerith is not a sign of being emo. He simply wanted to apologize and say goodbye to a dear friend. [/B]
.. Thats basically what i said, he overcame the truth about his past, but he was still thinking about Aeris and how he wanted to meet her at the promised land at the end of FF7, it doesn't say anything about "saying goodbye to a dear friend" or anything that even suggests that, he let go of Aeris at the end of AC, where she walks away with Zack, and Cloud finally smiles.
Cloud win.
In Final Fantasy VIII the characters were more realistic, and with that I mean more restricted. None of the characters could jump five meters up in the air, the only threat might be the summons.
And the gunblade was retarded, not only is the mechanics behind it ridiculous. But it's actually less effective than actual firearms.
Originally posted by AstnerWhich is ironic since they also defeated the single most powerful being to ever appear in Final Fantasy.
Cloud win.In Final Fantasy VIII the characters were more realistic, and with that I mean more restricted. None of the characters could jump five meters up in the air, the only threat might be the summons.
And the gunblade was retarded, not only is the mechanics behind it ridiculous. But it's actually less effective than actual firearms.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Which is ironic since they also defeated the single most powerful being to ever appear in Final Fantasy.
Originally posted by Astner
Cloud win.In Final Fantasy VIII the characters were more realistic, and with that I mean more restricted. None of the characters could jump five meters up in the air, the only threat might be the summons.
And the gunblade was retarded, not only is the mechanics behind it ridiculous. But it's actually less effective than actual firearms.
I would like to say the samething for VII as well, because if not for all the other VII spinoff's, we would also say that all Cloud could do was just near normal human feat abilities as well. Never in VII did I see what he was doing in AC either.
The same goes for VIII, the strongest characters in SEED would be able to hold there own against the likes of characters like the S-Class Soldiers (excluding characters like Sephiroth).
VIII is quite old, and I'm very, very confident that Squall's abilities would be more accurate to those seen in Dissidia, although that may not be "canon", however what they are doing in there would be a realistic representation of themselves.
That means Squall fighting Sephiroth and running up the side of that ice mountain would be accurate of Squall's abilities.
I don't believe Cloud even has a clear cut advantage, in fact, this would be an extremely close match up for both of the characters. Since they almost mirror one another in everyway, and would be capable of the same feats. Cloud has Omnislash, while Squall has Renzozuken into Lionheart.
To me, this match up is dead even, since both characters would have the same feats and abilities.
Originally posted by AstnerI was talking about Ultimecia.
No the Pandemonium Warden is in Final Fantasy XI, if you're referring to Odin or Gilgamesh however then it's just game mechanics--Yojimbo from Final Fantasy X is an updated version of Gilgamesh. Yet he's not considered the most power character in that game.
All forums ive been too, people always says that cloud is stronger than squall. Guess what thats a bunch of shit
just because cloud swings a big sword around and he defeated the great white hair emo knows as sephiroth his automatically stonger than squall
was i the only one that really watches the intro to ff8, when the gunblade was stuck in the ground did you see how thick the blade look
most people argue the reason cloud better than squall is because he was a 1st class soldier, thats a lie cloud never made pass a mere grunt in shinra. all of cloud experience with a sword came from the memories of zack a real 1st class
squall on the other hand was a full fledge seed the best of the best. He was trained since he was seven years old, and in the end he became the leader of school full of mercenary/mercanary in training that would go to war for him with a snap of his finger
cloud fanboys claims one of the reason squall cant beat cloud is do to cloud superhuman strenght do the j-cells.
what about the junction system in ff8, its clearly stated that the gf augmented the strenght of the char. its junction to, and when squall fought edea the guy got it with a giant ice shard in the chest, and when he woke up he had no scar to show for it while he kept the scar he receive by seifer in the beginning of the game.
most fanboys believe cloud to be more powerful than squall because he defeated sephiroth, guess what people wup di do sephiroth is not all that. Ultimacia is far more superior, all she has to do is goes in sephiroth mind in cast metor on him in his dead.
lets look at dissidia people, dissidia is cannon when people watch the trailer they sees squall and sephiroth going toe-to-toe, so to put squall down they say sephiroth was parrying all of squall hits, okay if you choose to believe ill give that to cloud fanboys, but tell what was cloud doing oh yay he was getting the shit beat out of him by garland/
all it took to put cloud down was one left hook by garland and cloud was out cold.
the only time i give cloud credit was in ac, because i believe those skill he use were because of the experience he accumilated after the event of ff7. Give squall a cgi movie he'll before just as good if not better.