Because its not the real incarnation of the characters? It doesn't exist in the real continuity? It's like saying Kingdom Hearts is canon to the FF characters. In the FF7 continuity/stoyline, Sephiroth never fought Squall. AC is canon because it IS part of the storyline.
Dissidia could be considered a non-canon spin-off.
Cloud just seems far too strong for Squall, can you honestly picture Squall jumping around like superman slicing up columns of skyscrapers with his little gunblade?
Originally posted by Terryc250what ever Terry says is 100% fact. If you try to debunk him, then you're retarded. think of Advent Children like the longest Cut scene in video game history.
Because its not the real incarnation of the characters? It doesn't exist in the real continuity? It's like saying Kingdom Hearts is canon to the FF characters. In the FF7 continuity/stoyline, Sephiroth never fought Squall. AC is canon because it IS part of the storyline.Dissidia could be considered a non-canon spin-off.
Cloud just seems far too strong for Squall, can you honestly picture Squall jumping around like superman slicing up columns of skyscrapers with his little gunblade?
As horrible as the film was, and actually the entire Final Fantasy series starting from 1 all the way to 13 (who the **** do they think they are? Land Before Time?) it's gotta be CANON!
Originally posted by Voyeur
what ever Terry says is 100% fact. If you try to debunk him, then you're retarded. think of Advent Children like the longest Cut scene in video game history.As horrible as the film was, and actually the entire Final Fantasy series starting from 1 all the way to 13 (who the **** do they think they are? Land Before Time?) it's gotta be CANON!
Right that's why the FF series is far more popular then the LoZ series. I guess you don't like it because FF is meant older mature people.
Apparently you have trouble understanding why AC is canon, so i'll try to baby feed it to you.
It's canon because you know, it's part of the storyline? The events of AC is what leads to the events of DoC? Because DoC is the sequal to AC, you following? And the events of FF7 is what leads to the events of AC, and CC is what leads to the events of FF7. It all ties in, a continuity. If we for some reason acted like AC never existed, then DoC wouldn't make much sense at all. Because the storyline is based on the events of what happened in AC, thus, a sequal. You understand? It's not like LoZ where you can just pick up any random game and everything will make sense.
Originally posted by Terryc250
And whatever you say is never a fact. AC is a movie, not a "cut scene", why would anyone want to think of it any different?Right that's why the FF series is far more popular then the LoZ series. I guess you don't like it because FF is meant older mature people.
Apparently you have trouble understanding why AC is canon, so i'll try to baby feed it to you.
It's canon because you know, it's part of the storyline? The events of AC is what leads to the events of DoC? Because DoC is the sequal to AC, you following? And the events of FF7 is what leads to the events of AC, and CC is what leads to the events of FF7. It all ties in, a continuity. If we for some reason acted like AC never existed, then DoC wouldn't make much sense at all. Because the storyline is based on the events of what happened in AC, thus, a sequal. You understand? It's not like LoZ where you can just pick up any random game and everything will make sense.
For Terry: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_vs_Final_Fantasy_2006
Squall wins this, he's marginally less emo, and his sword isn't retardedly huge, so it won't pull him off balance when he swings it.
Originally posted by Voyeur
1) Quote for truth
2) Know that you're lying to everyone
3) Terry < Boxxy
4) ???
5) Profit
Once again im not into your internet slang, i dont know what "boxxy" is.
How am I lying to everyone? FF is more popular then LoZ. And it is usually meant for mature people, since LoZ almost has a rating of E, while lots of FF has swearing, sexual and violent themes.
Sequals do give the company profit, so? What does that have to do with it? It doesn't make it any less canon.
@ Screampaste
One net poll doesn't mean much. Why not post some other polls from that same place?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/c04spr.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/top10.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/c9912.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/spr05.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/c0112.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/c0012.html
As you can obviously see FF series always beats out LoZ besides that one poll you posted (which was close as well btw)
Now lets look at actual statistics shall we?
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy
Since 1987 LoZ has sold 52 million copies worldwide making it 12th most popular video game franchise
Since 1987 FF has sold 80 million copies worldwide making it 4th most popular video game franchise
Also, Cloud doesn't lose balance when he swings his sword (wtf?) He carries it as easy a feather
Originally posted by Terryc250
Because its not the real incarnation of the characters? It doesn't exist in the real continuity? It's like saying Kingdom Hearts is canon to the FF characters. In the FF7 continuity/stoyline, Sephiroth never fought Squall. AC is canon because it IS part of the storyline.Dissidia could be considered a non-canon spin-off.
Cloud just seems far too strong for Squall, can you honestly picture Squall jumping around like superman slicing up columns of skyscrapers with his little gunblade?
It was created by the creators. Happened in a different realm after the main storyline supposedly. And After words they returned to their real worlds. Different stuff can happen in their lives. Take marvel for example. How many crossovers had they had with Spider-man and the fantastic 4 and Wolverine with Captain America. Countless. Yet its still is canon cuz its made by the creators.
Kingdom Hearts is a poor example for an argument. Because disney own those versions and is not fully created and developed by the creators. Considering all the fantasy stuff that is involved in Final Fantasy it is likely that it can happen. They had their same memories. Basically the same moves. Acted like their characters. There is nothing that put them out of canon. Just because you feel its not canon doesnt make it non-canon
they were IC showed similiar moves and abilities and it was created by square enix and the character developers. It was basically the FF crew. so how in the world are you going to say its not canon.
People could easily argue that AC isnt canon because its not part of the continuity. Sephiroth is dead. How he came back is BS. And can just as easily be said that Cloud never fought him again. The only difference between Dissidia and AC. Is that AC is a sequel to FF7. Dissidia Just isnt a sequel. But a sidestory. Just like AC.
There is nothing that makes it Non Canon
Originally posted by Csdabest
It was created by the creators. Happened in a different realm after the main storyline supposedly. And After words they returned to their real worlds. Different stuff can happen in their lives. Take marvel for example. How many crossovers had they had with Spider-man and the fantastic 4 and Wolverine with Captain America. Countless. Yet its still is canon cuz its made by the creators.
Spider-manm, FF4, captain america crossover? That's not even a crossover, all those heroes exist on the same planet, Marvel Earth, alot of storylines tie in with eachother, anyone with a decent knowledge on comics knows that.
Just because they're made by the same creators it means nothing.
Marvel has done crossovers with DC, and they were not canon.
Kingdom Hearts is a poor example for an argument. Because disney own those versions and is not fully created and developed by the creators. Considering all the fantasy stuff that is involved in Final Fantasy it is likely that it can happen. They had their same memories. Basically the same moves. Acted like their characters. There is nothing that put them out of canon. Just because you feel its not canon doesnt make it non-canon
Again, you're not understanding what canon means. Canon means its part of the series continuity. Dissidia is NOT part of any of the series continuity. It's not part of FF7's storyline, its not part of FF10's storyline, etc. It is merely a spinoff.
Another example is Ehrgeiz, made by Square which featuredd FF7 characters. Is it canon? Hell no.
they were IC showed similiar moves and abilities and it was created by square enix and the character developers. It was basically the FF crew. so how in the world are you going to say its not canon.
People could easily argue that AC isnt canon because its not part of the continuity. Sephiroth is dead. How he came back is BS. And can just as easily be said that Cloud never fought him again. The only difference between Dissidia and AC. Is that AC is a sequel to FF7. Dissidia Just isnt a sequel. But a sidestory. Just like AC.
There is nothing that makes it Canon
I want to point out that "Maturity" does not equal, sexual content, swearing and violence Terry. Those things are in fact usually aimed at young, teenagers, with angst. Not 17+ year old people. So, it's not really as mature as you think.
And Final Fantasy is more popular then LoZ? If I put a picture of Cloud up against a Picture of Link, I think it's more obvious which one would get noticed more by the general population in the nation.
I'm saying LoZ is aimed at younger kids. Hence, why it always gets a rating of E. While alot of FF games aren't due to its content, and darker stories.
Did I say FF7 is more popular then the entire LoZ series? if LoZ only came out with 1 game, then you put up the pictures then hell yeah Cloud would be more recognized. The sales of FF7 alone were about 10million, while the entire LoZ of like 18 games were like 52million
Originally posted by Terryc250Idk, I just have a distaste for RPG's. Even Mario RPG was a bore. So, Final Fantasy is really dull. I hate things that aren't real time based skill games.
I'm saying LoZ is aimed at younger kids. Hence, why it always gets a rating of E. While alot of FF games aren't due to its content, and darker stories.Did I say FF7 is more popular then the entire LoZ series? if LoZ only came out with 1 game, then you put up the pictures then hell yeah Cloud would be more recognized. The sales of FF7 alone were about 10million, while the entire LoZ of like 18 games were like 52million
The only exceptions are Pokemon & Golden Sun.
Legend of Zelda is rated E indeed. It is aimed for everyone to play. Doesn't mean there aren't mature or underlying themes through out the plots. I.e. Nabooru saying she wish she could of boned Link. Princess Ruto confessing her undying love and would do "'ANYTHING' *wink*" if they were married. There's no audio dialogue, just text, thank god. So yeah, no CUSSING> omg because we know how mature that is am I right? :]
Cloud is in more then One game though, isn't he genius? If you honestly haven't played a Zelda game, you're in no position to talk. And I don't mean the Toon, cell shaded stuff.
I've played FF1-2, some of 3. Tactics(not advanced) & yeah...they're just repetitive and not exciting to me personally. I don't like the turn based play style. They should move to more of KH free real time fighting. I didn't play or care for KH, but from what I watched of my ex, the play style looked more appealing. Storyline kind of failed. Just like the cliche FF stuff.
I want to point out that with Omnislash, Cloud is strong enough to take out Sephiroth. You all say Sephiroth is stronger, he could of won like nothing, blah blah. But if I was playing a game against you or were fighting, and I had the obvious advantage. And I teased you, taunted and toyed. And you got a sucker punch on me (Omnislash) if I really was the superior, it wouldn't of been as crippling as to kill/defeat me. I would realize to stop messing around and just finish you off since I could of the whole time. So, Sephiroth is able to die at such things like omnislash or power equal to it.
If he really was as buff and shit as you guys say, he would of just fell and got the wind knocked out of him, laughed it off and then TK, mind raped, destroyed Cloud. But he didn't. And thus, he's not this omnipotent and omniscient being as you guys make him out to be. PIS? not really. PIS is that Cloud was able to pull it off. After that, it's just normal stated facts. Omnislash or powers of strength/speed equal to it take down Sephiroth. Or else he would of just won other wise.
that's the whole point. PIS that he let it come to that? How asinine. If he was really as strong as everyone says he is, not even that moment of being caught off guard and hit by Omnislash should of effected him. But it did. So he's not that powerful imo. He's easily defeated.
Besides, FF is full of those cliche, rise to the moment. Omg let this be epic crap. I really found it boring. YOU KNOW who's going to win -.-
Originally posted by Voyeur
[]Idk, I just have a distaste for RPG's. Even Mario RPG was a bore. So, Final Fantasy is really dull. I hate things that aren't real time based skill games.
The only exceptions are Pokemon & Golden Sun.
Legend of Zelda is rated E indeed. It is aimed for everyone to play. Doesn't mean there aren't mature or underlying themes through out the plots. I.e. Nabooru saying she wish she could of boned Link. Princess Ruto confessing her undying love and would do "'ANYTHING' *wink*" if they were married. There's no audio dialogue, just text, thank god. So yeah, no CUSSING> omg because we know how mature that is am I right? :]
Cloud is in more then One game though, isn't he genius? If you honestly haven't played a Zelda game, you're in no position to talk. And I don't mean the Toon, cell shaded stuff.
I have played a link to the past on snes when i was a kid. It was pretty fun at the time, but the storyline was dull, never stuck with me, and went forgotten not long after. Where as with FF games, the story stays with me to this day.
I've played FF1-2, some of 3. Tactics(not advanced) & yeah...they're just repetitive and not exciting to me personally. I don't like the turn based play style. They should move to more of KH free real time fighting. I didn't play or care for KH, but from what I watched of my ex, the play style looked more appealing. Storyline kind of failed. Just like the cliche FF stuff.
I want to point out that with Omnislash, Cloud is strong enough to take out Sephiroth. You all say Sephiroth is stronger, he could of won like nothing, blah blah. But if I was playing a game against you or were fighting, and I had the obvious advantage. And I teased you, taunted and toyed. And you got a sucker punch on me (Omnislash) if I really was the superior, it wouldn't of been as crippling as to kill/defeat me. I would realize to stop messing around and just finish you off since I could of the whole time. So, Sephiroth is able to die at such things like omnislash or power equal to it.
If he really was as buff and shit as you guys say, he would of just fell and got the wind knocked out of him, laughed it off and then TK, mind raped, destroyed Cloud. But he didn't. And thus, he's not this omnipotent and omniscient being as you guys make him out to be. PIS? not really. PIS is that Cloud was able to pull it off. After that, it's just normal stated facts. Omnislash or powers of strength/speed equal to it take down Sephiroth. Or else he would of just won other wise. [/B]
Pokemon by the way is the most competitive turn based game in the entire world. IVs, EVs, Tiers and shit. It puts a stomp and really puts some skill and brain thought into practice when it comes to turns. SO yeah...kek at you saying it sucked if you never played competitively.
And you know, once again. You're a ****ing dip shit. OKay, thank you. peace <3
You know the most majority of people who like FF are fan girls and gays. Honest. And nothing is wrong with that. It's just, statistics speak for themselves. So which one are you?
I'd like to point out that individually most FF games sold between 1 and 3 million copies, but win by bulk, and that most Zelda games sold more, but there are fewer of them, and a few black sheep. [IE, the cell chaded games and four sword games don't sell as well.] And also that sales =/= quality, or else WiiPlay would be better than FF7 and OoT.
On topic, the sword not pulling Cloud around is pretty much PIS =P if it's made of any sort of metal with structural integrity, and not totally hollow, it's heavier than he is, to swing it at even the speed of a baseball bat would infact, pull his body with it.