DOA vs Tekken

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You didn't prove ogre can teleport

Actually, True Ogre can teleport 😉

After being knocked down, you press both kicks, and T.Ogre teleports up into the air before swooping down horns first at the opponent.

Jann Lee alone could take out most of the non-super-powered Tekken opponents. Go ahead and throw in Zack, Lei Fang, Brad Wong, and Gen Fu as well.

The rest can be left to Hayabusa, Kasumi, Hayate, and Ayane.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
DUMBASS how are yoshi and raven gonna get past his art of the ice storm, since they are the only ones who can pursue him while he teleports, so answer.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

That made no sense, obviously I'm debating you on rather tekken can or can't but were also trying to see if kazuya can take ryu 1 on 1. if you quit that argument tell me now.

And your full of shit sam z, I never accepted ryu can be beaten by tekken and you still posted arguments for ryu vs kazuya 1 on 1. But now that I've gone indeptth with my argument you won't debate kazuya vs ryu 1 on 1, just say you forfeit your argument if you don't wanna debate them 1 on 1.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You just contradicted yourself how are they similar to ryu if they don't have teleportation with ki manipulation as a matter of fact you said ogre has teleportation and distance attacks but now magically their is no one in tekken that has both. and why did you say "Actually" of course I asked for teleportation combined with ki you even quoted me saying it on that specific post man your dumb.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam Z do you really want me to go back and post your grammatical errors, are you that desperate you stoop so low as to pointing out a typo's?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So now you feel you can debate kazuya vs ryu, and why does hryu have to hide I told you ryu can reappear and attack simultaneously. so the moment kazuya fires tk ryu teleports and kazuya is hit. it's that simple.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So now your saying just because you have 20 you win, your basing your entire argument on numbers without explaining why. like I said before hayabusa's is versatile enough to win his super speed will allow him to dodge a majority of the attacks and the rest he can always teleport. he has distance attacks that are freakin powerful so he doesn't have to get too close but even if he does he has hand to ahnd combat skills on par with the best tekken fighters combined that with the fact he's used to fighting at a numerical disadvantage (60-100 vs ryu) so give me a better argument than you whining about numbers.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And I told you teleportation plus ki techniques were a bad argument and changed it so why bring it up again.Your changing the subject at hand in this particular post, we were talking about you being misinformed about doa since you asked proof that hayabusa can teleport and you replied "this coming from a guy that asked if raven can teleport" and now you mention yoshi's teleport so I'll say it again since your dumb. Ryu's teleportation like I said is done waaaay more frequent than ravens and yoshi's. plus 2nd zen told you it's a breeze to do so again [B]how is not knowing yoshi and raven can teleport equally misinformed to not knowing hayabusa can teleport ? [/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

It's your way if bullshitting if you wanted me to debate kazuya vs tekken first why did you bring that shitty tk argument in ryu vs kazuya 1 on1. as a matter of fact why did you debate kazuay vs ryu 1 on 1 in the first place. your lying and making excuses up.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You never want to quote because you know your lying, please quote me where I said someone other than you provided the link to the tekken 3 intro.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

That video showed a decapitated head are you dumb wait you are , every time someone gives you a video link you never see what they were trying to tell you. you've done this twice first with the tekken 3 intro, second with my video link showing hayabusa teleporting and for the record I played tekken 3 before I joined kmc so i know jun is dead ass.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

several people told you that juns head was on the video, and you disagree just like I didn't show you hayabusa teleporting right

😆 ..... 😕 and you can prove this how???

Is it because you know me?....No
Is it because you quote me?.....No
Is it because you figured it out with your advanced intellect... 😆 hell no
4. So what is it?... You ASS-U-ME

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

First of all I never said it was slow, I said hayabusa can evade it. second you said in a earlier post when I asked you. "If jin and kazuya have the same attack why is jins tk visible and kazuya's isn't" you responded it was a different attack, I asked you to prove it but you never answered. so I guess you work at namco.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can you quote shin remy agreeing with you and how many tekkens actually posted as opposed to voted? 14 voted but 5 responded real brave guys you have.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I posted my first link before you, on page 2 here:

And you also posted this before the link 🙄

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu Hayabusa> Tekken

You posted link first, so? I posted many after, you created this thread and no wonder ypu posted before me...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your lying this is the first thing you posted

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You never explained why jin wins, you just said "Jin beats GOD"

I actually explained some reasons why ryu wins:

1st page:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

When you bitched about ryu having his own game and said yoshi could perform his feats I made alist before you even posted any feats again

I posted Yoshi's abilities and feats on the second page and I started posting on second page only.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Teleportation aswell.

Dodging bullets and deflecting them with his hand

Flying abilities

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You finally posted a real reason why jin would win on page 3 of doa vs tekken.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your only argument for kazuya winning is his tk, I told you teleportation could dodge it but you disagreed and still haven't said why, so if your okay with kazuya vs ryu explain how his laser beam can counter 4 blast of electricity atacking him all over from art of inzuna, getting speed blitz anywhere in the arena and an opponent who can move anywhere in the vicinity instanly and can attack while he's reappering at the sametime???

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

-I showed you proof of ryu being faster than yoshi ( iberianwarrior), when can yoshi leave after images and speed blitz???
-What would jan lee koing a t-rex have to do with ryu vs tekken???

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

-I agve you proof through out the thread

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

go ahead continue posting what I allegedly didn't prove.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

How is it an impressive feat, yes you proved he has distance attacks on par with ryu but how is the feat impressive???

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Cool so quote me these many times when I said teleportation alone would lead hayabusa to victory, and you changed your argument I told you hayabusa teleports more than raven thus it's obvious, this all started when you called me a fanboy for asking about ravens teleportation and I told you it's not as obvious since raven does it far less than hayabusa, and now you cahnge my words to make it seem that I was referring to him beating the entire cas because he teleports more than raven.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

so now your bringing jini back into this, remeber what I said before when you brung up jin destroying a forest. hayabusa destroyed a GOD I told you that since the second page of DOA vs TEKKEN you are dumb.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Just like there was no teleportation in the link I gave you showing hayabusa teleporting, hworang's ending show's jin blasting a wave at the screen (When he raises his hand the screen bends ) your just too blind as always to see it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And I can tell your joking by soley looking at your text, [B]your real smart sam-z oh I was joking, it was so obvious right 🙄[/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and you still haven't explained how he can't dodge it by teleporting?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Easily huh, so exactly how explain???

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You didn't prove ogre can teleport

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

no sam-z please define a scenerio that is good in your standards, 2nd zen just gave you one tell me how it's flawed.

The one with plasma granades? I think we already agreed - no weapons. I admitt his scenario is 50 times better than yours but it still doesn't involves abilities of many tekken characters, AND maybe you, blue nocturne will not try to throw it at other guys on this forum but keep debating yourself and give your own reasons? Or you are that tired? If yes - quit. If no - atleast make it effort.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats comming from a guy who thinks Devil Within is Mainstream Tekken canon... 🙄

This is said before devil within starts.

"Just as heihachi was attacked, someone raided one of Mishima Zaibatsu labs.

However the world never found out about that raid"

And this.

"After the tournament Jin searched for a way to rid himself of the devil gene"

And this.

"Jin hadn't realised what awoke when the devil came out."(Ogre)

But what the hell, Darkstorm zero says Jin has wrong pants during it so it is not canon... oh by the way about pants, they are simillar to those he had as devil during story mode.

Originally posted by Sam Z
This is said before devil within starts.

"Just as heihachi was attacked, someone raided one of Mishima Zaibatsu labs.

However the world never found out about that raid"

And this.

"After the tournament Jin searched for a way to rid himself of the devil gene"

And this.

"Jin hadn't realised what awoke when the devil came out."(Ogre)

But what the hell, Darkstorm zero says Jin has wrong pants during it so it is not canon... oh by the way about pants, they are simillar to those he had as devil during story mode.

And this proves the validity of Devil Within being Canon.... How exactly?

And WTF are you talking about? Pants? I never mentioned anything about pants, my arguments where time restraints, and the consumate merging of Jins fighting styles as Normal Jin...

My arguments remain solid despite not being in this thread for the majority

Originally posted by Sam Z
Answer this first. Ryu teleports, means he dissapears in one place and appears in another, so what's problem with hitting him with tk, laser or flame between teleportations, so when he is hit Yoshi or Raven can finish him coz his art of ice storm wont do him much good against distance attacks of people I mentioned, that was my original point, dumbass.

How are they can hit him if he's out of their range? scratch that how are they gonna hit him if they can't pursue him? the only people that can pursue him are teleporters like yoshi and raven but even if they follow him tell me how are they gonna get past art of the ice storm?

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol and you are so desperate that the only thing you got left is swearing, instead of that you better read my post carefully, I said "i will return when you will admitt" i never said you accepted it, moron. Keep praying, but I'll stick with my argument.

Your running away, because before when I mentioned only tk and ki blast you were perfectly fine debating me but once i go indepth and add an extra attackyou play chicken and give me ultimatums.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol I like this frase "low as to point...". You like for 3 pages was whining about my mistake that was based on my bad knowledge of english language but when I point you at your mistake that is based on your stupidity only( and I pointed because I honostly couldn't understand your post) you say I'm desperate lol Atleast my problem was that I really couldn't understand what your post was about and you was pointing me only coz you had nothing else to say.

First of all you didn't know the difference between focus and looking even after you corrected yourself, and second about misunderstanding me how hard was it to put devil after the coma before the name kazuya. I even gave you a numbered list that would suggest that I mean't devil kazuya. "You said kazuya, you never said kazuya" just put the word Devil before the second kazuya ass, you've made mistakes that have forced me to decipher what you said several times so don't you start.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Not now but i'm always ready to debate any topic but it just annoys me how you run away from your own words only to avoid being embarrassed..

Run away how? I gave you several points during the tekken vs ryu argument

-He can teleport out of the distance attackers range, which would lead the teleporters like yoshi and raven to follow him out of range of the other fighters ( since they are the only ones able to pursue him) and fight them 2 on 1. using art of the icestorm to freeze them when they get tooo close, but you on the other hand have yet to truly counter, the only thing you said was "Ryu would get blasted between teleportation and yoshi and raven would attack" problem is this leads us back to the first point how would the other fighters blast him if he's well out of range and how would they pursue him?

But now your magically seising the ryu vs kazuya 1 on 1 arguement, so I take it as a forfeit.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Atleast I don't base my argument on authors mistake🙄 So but it is you have to find better argument than he defeated over 60 at the same time. Since you sometimes dragg this into comicbooks like in case of Nightcrawler I'll give you an examply.Spider-man can beat 60 ordinary human at once but that doesn't mean he can beat 60 daredevils or wolverines at once.

As opposesed to some idiot how based his entire ryu vs kazuya 1 on 1 argument on kazuya's tk. And who does spider man fighting 60-100 regular humans as impressive as ryu defeating 60-100 demons?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Your point is lame coz you compare 20tekken characters with stupid deamons Ryu've been killing in ninja gaiden.Any of these twenty is easilly capable of fighting dozens opponents at once so find better argument.And here goes abc logic again that you yourself called stupid.

I never used abc logic this time I was simply trying to show you numbers don't matter for hayabusa, and how ae demons stupid if the mishima's ( who are top tier) are stupid demons as well?

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol how does it compare to not knowing that Yoshi can teleport since it is his basic attack and he uses it all the time.

Because yoshi doesn't teleport in his post fight dialogue or in his ending ( that video you gave me just showed him reappearing from stealth.) or in almost all his signature moves, so how does it compare?

Originally posted by Sam Z

and how does it compare to not knowing that Paul defeated Ogre since he is one of main tekken story characters? If you want to look at misinformation go look in the mirror. And by the way, you was using your "bad argument" for half of thread.👆.

So now your bringing up story, I never said I was an expert in the tekken plot and your being a hypocrite you don't know jackshit about DOA's plot and your trying to say I'm misinformed about tekken.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Because you are to stupid to read entire posts from beginning to the end, geniues. Discussing Kazuya vs Ryu was my point in the first place
all the time and all the time I was discussing this fight but SOMETIMES i was asking you to back up your words about RUPWNESALL and whenever I've been asking you this question you was or running away or pretending you haven't heard it or bringing some bullcrap. So now I'm just got bored on you running away from your own words and I want you just once to back it up with something reasonable. Again I was discussing Ryu vs Kazuya all along

You were discussing kazuya vs ryu all along when you said you won't continue the debate until I admitt teken beats ryu 😕

and despite the fact I was debating kazuya vs ryu while debating ryu vs tekken I ran away wow are you on drugs as well?

Originally posted by Sam Z

, I was givving proofs and reasons because I said I believe he can win SO NOW it is your turn to give proofs and reasons because you believe he can win. So bring it on genius.

So did I and I elaborated on them before

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol You really don't remember what you post, and I quote you very often but you press quote button on my posts before reading them so quotes dissapear but what the hell.

Pay attention to "everytime someone gives you" and to "you've done this twice first with the tekken 3 intro" This mean when someone gave me link of tekken 3 intro I ignored it, you are really to dumb even to remember your own posts.

Where does it say anything about someone else giving you the link to teken 3's intro? I'm not asking for your detective work I want solid proof of me saying that someone else gave those vids besides you.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Severla people are - darkstrom zero and you who after 5 pages like an idiot repeated his words and you both said there is head in TEKKEN 3 INTRO but there is [B]NO damn head in the intro. I can tell that it is not your basic knowledge coz you didn't even tryed to watch that video of tekken 3 intro I gave, and if you did you would've saw that there is NO head there. But Darkstorm Zero just made a mistake and there is nothing wrong with that, but it is not possible that two people on one forum make two simillar mistakes so that means you just repeated his, and that means you are an idiot who pretends he has basic knowledge... That's an easy logic genius..[/B]

So because several people make a mistake it's not a conincidence and I ignored the video OK... Super boy prime pointed out that there was a head, but you don't see just like how you didn't see hayabusa teleporting on that link I gave you.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And it means you ask to prove that there were no waves around Kazuya's eyes.😬 You really get dumber with every post...

How does " prove kazuya was using a different power from jin" equate to "Prove there are no waves in that video."

Originally posted by Sam Z
lol I have? Many guys who voted just seems do not want to talk to such fanboy like you. Tell me how many people actually supported your "Ryu beats them all"? Mijority thinks that Tekken would beat entire dead or alive, I'm not even talking about Ryu alone.

A majority that doesn't even post 😆

Superboy prime, 2nd zen, me, and shin remy.

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 lol lying? About what? So this was my first posted, i never said it wasn't 🙄 God you are so stupid Blue Nocturne.

"About What?" you said before that you've been debating tekken vs ryu since the beginning, when your first post was how jin beat ryu. god your dumb.

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 You said guns have no effect and so you proved he wins lol grow up, that was supposed to prove he wins against all tekken, yes you was talking exactly about all tekken at that time. .

When did I say the only reason he wins was because of guns having no effect on him? 😕

Originally posted by Sam Z

So? I wasn't very interested in the discussion before realised how far goes your fanboyism, so when I got really interested in it I started givving proofs and feats. Hell you are so pathetic. Are you now trying to point out that you deserve respect for posting first? The fact is the fact - I said Kazuya or Jin could win in 1 on 1 fight with Ryu, you said Ryu alone >>> than whole tekken. So if you seriously want to continue discussion about fanboyism - good luck, you'll need it..

You just changed your argument when I gave you an answer again, you said that I was running on my own words at the begininng of the debate and I just proved I didn't, you can't debate and runaway from answers sam z

Originally posted by Sam Z

That was not only argument, except that I gave feats, many videoes etc. When you said teleportation can dodge it you based yourself on that he dodges simillar powers before and on the video you showed there were not simillar powers but absolutly different powers and BTW you used abc logic again there... So you didn't explained how is he gonna dodge this attack, you only showed not very fast and visible attack that has nothing in common with Kazuya's. So here again, you dragged me into discussing Kazuya vs Ryu because you can't prove your words on Ryu vs tekken. Can't say I'm surprised...

What many videos did you offer for kazuya excpet him using tk on heiachi and what other argument did you offer besides tk his flight?
you just contradicted yourself:

Originally posted by Sam Z
When you said teleportation can dodge it ...

You agree I gave a reason why he can dodge the attack at first.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So you didn't explained how is he gonna dodge this attack,...

Now somehow I didn't ok....

I've been asking you why he can't dodge kazuya's attack with teleportation you still haven't given a reason.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I dunno, you brought that thing to point out how taugh DOA characters are so since you started prove game I wanted to support your idea and asked for proof, which you couldn't give by the way...,...

I gave you proof of ayane destroying the tri towers and of hayate destroying a blimp and now I never gave proof of how strong doa chacters are??
and when did you ask for proof of how strong doa characters are, you asked for jann lee koing a t-rex after I brought it up to counter your abc logic of Bryan>Paul just to show that paul can beat a majority of the doa cast in one on one bouts so cut the crap liar.

Originally posted by Sam Z

That's what I've been actually doing and sometimes I even had to repeat myself coz you asked for more and to prove things I've already proved.

Like how you proved paul can defeat a majority of fighters in 1 on 1 bouts or that ogre can teleport ?

Originally posted by Sam Z

How about you try that with me? You didn't excepted my point on Paul vs all 1 on 1, so? what's next? What else I didn't proved about what I said, bring it on.

You used A>B>C logic and you still haven't proved exactly how hell you haven't given any scnerio god you lie.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Doh! I'll say it again, the whole point WAS proving that he HAS taugh distance attack, you asked for it, you got it!

I never said I didn't but that feat sucked.

Originally posted by Sam Z

So now you want to play Quote me game? lol You already've been playing prove game for entire thread instead of proving one your main opinion. And I called you fanboy for saying that Ryu beats them all at the same time, as for raven, you not only asked proofs for him but also about Yoshi's teleportation that he uses almost as often as Ryu and about Paul defeating Ogre.

- yoshi uses his teleportation as much as ryu?!, please list all those times like I did.

-Paul vs ogre was a plot point, When did I use the fact that you didn't know the doa plot against you like your doing to me?

Originally posted by Sam Z

😂 Don't worry I'll correct it for ya - I'm Blue nocturne I don't have Ryu destructive feats so I'll dragg it into whom Ryu defeated.

You mean how I gave you ryu destroying 3 aircrafts at once, hell here's another one he destroyed a radio tower single handly.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol You are really killing me. I don't want to hear whom Ryu defeated before coz i don't care, what I asked you is WHAT, not whom he destroyed using his ki that can compare with destruction of forest or three buildings? Don't run of the question.

He has no feats of him using his ki to destroy an entire vicinity why does that matter he makes it up in his ki versatility

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol Who's talking? You see what other people don't see and that's a serious case.

Like ryu's teleportation 😆

Originally posted by Sam Z

If you genius, can't see sarcasm or jokes in the posts when they are very obvious I feel sorry for you...

Based on what, text?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Yeah, lol and you base your teleportation on that Kazuya's attack was actually supposed to be slow and visible but authors made a mistake 🙄 way to go.

No, I base it on the fact that it's teleportation, which is an argument I've been using before you even posted that joke, so WTF are you talking about prove to me why ryu can't dodge it?

Originally posted by Sam Z

First of all tell me, HOW FAR you assume he would teleport from the battlefield?

Out of their range. that's all that matters.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I long ago told you it is one of his basic moves during game play, even your buddy darkstorm zero tells you it is true but hell, if you can't even trust your supporters on the thread - i can't help you...

I know he darkstorm zero told me, but you never did. just like how metalmax told you jann lee ko'ed a t-rex or how everyone told you there is no head in that video you gave or how I told you there was teleportation in the link I gave you, but since you don't listen to what people tell you and your blind I can't help you.

Originally posted by Sam Z

The one with plasma granades? I think we already agreed - no weapons. I admitt his scenario is 50 times better than yours but it still doesn't involves abilities of many tekken characters, AND maybe you, blue nocturne will not try to throw it at other guys on this forum but keep debating yourself and give your own reasons? Or you are that tired? If yes - quit. If no - atleast make it effort.

So because someone gives an argument and I support them, I'm not giving my own reasons god your dumb. I've been giving my reasons all day but you ignore them.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
How are they can hit him if he's out of their range? scratch that how are they gonna hit him if they can't pursue him? the only people that can pursue him are teleporters like yoshi and raven but even if they follow him tell me how are they gonna get past art of the ice storm?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your running away, because before when I mentioned only tk and ki blast you were perfectly fine debating me but once i go indepth and add an extra attackyou play chicken and give me ultimatums.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

First of all you didn't know the difference between focus and looking even after you corrected yourself, and second about misunderstanding me how hard was it to put devil after the coma before the name kazuya. I even gave you a numbered list that would suggest that I mean't devil kazuya. "You said kazuya, you never said kazuya" just put the word [B]Devil before the second kazuya ass, you've made mistakes that have forced me to decipher what you said several times so don't you start.
[/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Run away how? I gave you several points during the tekken vs ryu argument

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

-He can teleport out of the distance attackers range, which would lead the teleporters like yoshi and raven to follow him out of range of the other fighters ( since they are the only ones able to pursue him) and fight them 2 on 1. using art of the icestorm to freeze them when they get tooo close, but you on the other hand have yet to truly counter, the only thing you said was "Ryu would get blasted between teleportation and yoshi and raven would attack" problem is this leads us back to the first point how would the other fighters blast him if he's well out of range and how would they pursue him?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

But now your magically seising the ryu vs kazuya 1 on 1 arguement, so I take it as a forfeit.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

As opposesed to some idiot how based his entire ryu vs kazuya 1 on 1 argument on kazuya's tk. And who does spider man fighting 60-100 regular humans as impressive as ryu defeating 60-100 demons?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never used abc logic this time I was simply trying to show you numbers don't matter for hayabusa, and how ae demons stupid if the mishima's ( who are top tier) are stupid demons as well?

doh! first of all I never said beating human is as impressive as beating deamons. It is a simple examply for you to understand. You say that numbers doesn't matter for Ryu and that means you compare 20 deamons Ryu fought to 20 tekken characters. For many of them numbers don't matter like for Hayabusa so this numbers point is useless.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Because yoshi doesn't teleport in his post fight dialogue or in his ending ( that video you gave me just showed him reappearing from stealth.) or in almost all his signature moves, so how does it compare?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So now your bringing up story, I never said I was an expert in the tekken plot and your being a hypocrite you don't know jackshit about DOA's plot and your trying to say I'm misinformed about tekken.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You were discussing kazuya vs ryu all along when you said you won't continue the debate until I admitt teken beats ryu 😕

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and despite the fact I was debating kazuya vs ryu while debating ryu vs tekken I ran away wow are you on drugs as well?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Where does it say anything about someone else giving you the link to teken 3's intro? I'm not asking for your detective work I want solid proof of me saying that someone else gave those vids besides you.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So because several people make a mistake it's not a conincidence and I ignored the video OK... Super boy prime pointed out that there was a head, but you don't see just like how you didn't see hayabusa teleporting on that link I gave you.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

How does " prove kazuya was using a different power from jin" equate to "Prove there are no waves in that video."

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
A majority that doesn't even post 😆
Superboy prime, 2nd zen, me, and shin remy.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

"About What?" you said before that you've been debating tekken vs ryu since the beginning, when your first post was how jin beat ryu. god your dumb.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

When did I say the only reason he wins was because of guns having no effect on him? 😕

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You just changed your argument when I gave you an answer again, you said that I was running on my own words at the begininng of the debate and I just proved I didn't, you can't debate and runaway from answers sam z

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
H2H Hayabusa is a beast he wins.
Ryu hayabusa> Tekken.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

What many videos did you offer for kazuya excpet him using tk on heiachi and what other argument did you offer besides tk his flight?
you just contradicted yourself:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You agree I gave a reason why he can dodge the attack at first.
Now somehow I didn't ok....
I've been asking you why he can't dodge kazuya's attack with teleportation you still haven't given a reason.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I gave you proof of ayane destroying the tri towers and of hayate destroying a blimp and now I never gave proof of how strong doa chacters are??
and when did you ask for proof of how strong doa characters are, you asked for jann lee koing a t-rex after I brought it up to counter your abc logic of Bryan>Paul just to show that paul can beat a majority of the doa cast in one on one bouts so cut the crap liar.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Like how you proved paul can defeat a majority of fighters in 1 on 1 bouts or that ogre can teleport ?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You used A>B>C logic and you still haven't proved exactly how hell you haven't given any scnerio god you lie.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never said I didn't but that feat sucked.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

- yoshi uses his teleportation as much as ryu?!, please list all those times like I did.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

-Paul vs ogre was a plot point, When did I use the fact that you didn't know the doa plot against you like your doing to me?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You mean how I gave you ryu destroying 3 aircrafts at once, hell here's another one he destroyed a radio tower single handly.
He has no feats of him using his ki to destroy an entire vicinity why does that matter he makes it up in his ki versatility

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Like ryu's teleportation 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Based on what, text?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

No, I base it on the fact that it's teleportation, which is an argument I've been using before you even posted that joke, so WTF are you talking about prove to me why ryu can't dodge it?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Out of their range. that's all that matters.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I know he darkstorm zero told me, but you never did. just like how metalmax told you jann lee ko'ed a t-rex or how everyone told you there is no head in that video you gave or how I told you there was teleportation in the link I gave you, but since you don't listen to what people tell you and your blind I can't help you.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So because someone gives an argument and I support them, I'm not giving my own reasons god your dumb. I've been giving my reasons all day but you ignore them.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And this proves the validity of Devil Within being Canon.... How exactly?

And WTF are you talking about? Pants? I never mentioned anything about pants, my arguments where time restraints, and the consumate merging of Jins fighting styles as Normal Jin...

My arguments remain solid despite not being in this thread for the majority

Well, they start the story from canon events about Heihachi being attacked and then they tell what happened next.

As far as I remember you mentioned that during devil within he has pants from tekken 3. And as for styles, I'll say this again. He moves just like Jin in story mode and his style is traditional karate.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because I'm not debating devilwithin now...

Originally posted by Sam Z
And this draggs us back the the question how far you assume Ryu will gonna teleport during the battle.

Out of their range, miles perhaps now answer the question.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Ultimatums? I simply asked you to prove your own damn words and you call that ultimatums and running away, I've been playing your prove game for entire thread but whenever I ask you to prove something you tell me I'm running away. And it was me who mentioned tk, not you. You only started bringing crap about waves in Kazuya ending.

You didn't simply ask me to prove my words, you said you won't debate me on kazuya vs ryu until I admitt ryu cannot beat tekken I can quote you on these. and wtf are you talking about "This entire thread" you knew I wasn't really serious pus I asked you to prove that like 3 pages ago and you blow it out of perportions. again I gave you an argument multiple times yet you ignored it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

After I corrected myself my words were clearly about focusing but you dumbass just kept whining about my mistake for 3 pages. And 😂 simple lol just put word "devil" my bad, how obvious it was! It could've be any other word or you could've just by accident put name Kazuya instead of Jin for example.

Despite the fact I mentioned the word devil later on in the post you didn't know I was talking about him then you went on to talk about devil in response to that post, your a liar.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Unlike you I'm not that low to point you at your mistakes only to look smart, I honostly couldn't understand your post. And say whatever you want but it wasn't obvious.

No, the point of me bringin this focus/look argument constantly was because you insisted kazuya's tk was as fast as his sight. when I asked you what tk has to do with sight you never answered. you went on for several pages talking about how ryu can't dodge faster than he looks. but that's behind us because your just using that for cover to evade my point, how is kazuya gonna hit him if he can teleport and reappear while attacking simutaneously?

Originally posted by Sam Z

You didn't, and that bullcrap below was your only "argument".

It was my only argument so WTF is this:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I'm not changing the subject I've offered enough proof and you won't listen your so stuck on kazuya's argument saying garbage like [B]"He just looks at you and it works" problem is if it was looking technique as soon as kazuya looked at someone it would work sort of like the evil eye from mythology. if the wielder looks at you than you would die so the wielder had to keep his eye shut maybe if kazuya had that I would agree problem is he doesn't have that. kazuya has telekinesis which has nothing to do with the eye's but your eye's. he can attack people with an invisible force problem is We have no way of proving how fast it is by a cutscene alone and were in a disagreement I say he can dodge it you say he can't problem is we have no way of proving it but hayabuisa has more options he can speedblitz,teleport,blast him with ki, create a whirlwind that would cut kazuya to pieces, uses his hands etc...that's around 5 options to kill kazuya plus he's demonstrated Way higher speeds than kazuya and you still can't prove teleportation is useless because kazuya has never been shown to fight a teleporter so your at a disadvantage in a 1 on 1 fight, combined the fact that hayabusa's speed blitz can attack a person from anywhere especially in the air and he doesn't have to touch the ground to continue it and that he has all range ninpo's I don't see kazuya winning so there an argument besides ki blast and teleportaiton. 😄

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

He doesn't have to dodge he can teleport and when he teleports he's gone thus evading the attack. your argument relies on one attack I have listed 4. that's a ratio of 4:1 ryu has a higher chance of winning. if teleportation is useless prove it show me someone trying to teleport from his tk and failing.

I said Speed blitz, show me raven and yoshi doing one. oh yeah and hayabusa's can reach you in virtually any range especially the air.

A blast of ki, try several seprate blast of lighting attacking at once how can one laser beam beat at least four lightning bolts attacking different directions at one or a huge ball of fire, or freezing whirl wind throwing ice shards or a sheild of fire combine that with the fact hayabusa can do them and instanly teleport away while kazuya is dealing with an attack? the tk argument is the only one you have in kazuya's case so your desperate.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And that's exactly what makes me laugh. You say out of range of other fighters, ok but Jin's laser attack has a pretty big range, so it means Ryu would have to teleport a few kilometers away to get out of range of all fighters except Yoshi and Raven.".

So then tell me how far the range is of jins blast and show proof.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And that your argument is - 😆
Because if you assume that Ryu will leave the battlefield to make Yoshi and Raven to follow them I will have to dissapoint you because this is a battle. He can't just teleport FAR away and wait till Raven or Yuoshi go after him. And if they wont follow him then what? It would be a win because Ryu simply left battlefield, and by rules of this forum it must be battle so you can drop this teleportation far away argument. Sorry but your only argument of Ryu vs Tekken that you finally desided to give (I'm not counting that "scenario" of yours) just doesn't fits to the vs forum.

Sam z I never specified the area, it could be the whole freakin planet for all you know, I never siad fight takes place in a ring or anything and if you say jin has a big range your gonna have to prove it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I'm not seising anything. I've been givving you reasons about Kazuya vs Ryu many times but you on other hand only recently dared to bring something about Ryu vs Tekken and this something was hillarious.
Look i said Kazuya can defeat Ryu, and I was, I am and I will be discussing it.
You said Ryu >>>> Tekken but you wasn't discussing it before, now you trying as hard as you can to avoid discussing it so I simply want you to put in it atleast half as much effortrs as you put in Ryu vs Kazuya.

What reasons beside tk have you mentioned, god your a liar first it's about the "Pant's" argument you accuse darkstorm zero of saying. now you said you gave reasons many times!? the only thing you've been saying is "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks" that's it sam z nothing more. god your a fanboy and an ass too.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Opposed? 😂 tk was one of my arguments and atleast it WAS an argument, and basing your argument on possible authors mistake is simply stupid..

I never based my entire argument on the fact that their "were no waves becuase the author forgot to put them" carp you said, you kept on bitching about how ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks. I asked you what tk has to do with looking and you never answer, plus you never explained why teleportation wouldn't work. your full of it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

doh! first of all I never said beating human is as impressive as beating deamons. It is a simple examply for you to understand. You say that numbers doesn't matter for Ryu and that means you compare 20 deamons Ryu fought to 20 tekken characters. For many of them numbers don't matter like for Hayabusa so this numbers point is useless.

Sam z, really your scaring me. you brung up spiderman saying he can beat 60-100 regular humans and proceded to say he can't defeat 60-100 wolverines or daredevils. now tell me how you mean't numbers don't matter in that argument and who defeated 60-100 opponents in tekken at once?

Originally posted by Sam Z

I never said I was DOA expert, but you don't tell me about my misinformation if you yourself know nothing about tekken and I don't have to work for namco to see that..

Know nothing despite the fact I own teken 5, played all the tekkens and know that "Devil within" is not canon something you can't prove.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Yeah, all along for 15 pages, and all that time I was also asking you about ryu vs tekken and you finally dared to give some "arguments" only few pages ago, so no wonder I want you to answer for you words.

I've been saying teleportation + ki blast for several pages, that was the reason.

Originally posted by Sam Z

No, but you must be. The "fact" is that you was debating ONLY Ryu vs Kazuya and for first 10 pages your only argument was ki + teleportation and you brought it when we were discussing Kazuya vs Ryu but then you tried to make this argument a reason of why he will beat all, sorry but I can't call that - debating ryu vs tekken.

Oh, so I was debating ryu vs kazuya only despite the fact I made an A>B>C argument for ryu vs tekken since the third or fourth page involving vigor and tengu which you pointed out, yet you contradict yourself right now. so yes you are on drugs.

Originally posted by Sam Z

doh I was right, you are playing quote me game now, first whenever i was givving you proofs you was crying for more, now when i quote you and give you SOLID prove of that you said it you play dumb again and ask for more. First you said that someone gives ME link and i ignore it and then you gave example of teken 3 intro, are you just upset coz you forgot your own words or just stupid and didn't yet realised that?

😆 and where exactly do I say someone gave you the link to the tekken 3 intro. and don't give some words and try to link it I want you to show a sentence with me saying "When <Insert name> gave you the tekken 3 intro, you ignored juns head" show me something along those lines, and the reason I keep quoting you is because you keep changing your argument after I answered.

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 My God!!! lol here we go again, so I "didn't see"? When one guy says "there is a head in tekken 3 intro" and another guy without watching the video says "yes there is head in intro" it is NOT a coincidence, it means second guy just repeats firs guy's words. AND THE FUNNIEST THINK IS that you still think that it was my mistake because i say there is no head in intro. I don't know hom many times i must repeat it for you genius, to understand, this time listen carefully - IN TEKKEN 3 INTRO THERE IS NO JUN'S HEAD OR ANY OTHER SEPERATED HEAD!!!

1. I watched the video there is a head, so far more than 2 people including myself told you that.

2. coming from a guy who couldn't see ryu teleporting on a link I gave, your one to talk.

I dunno - write it somewhere: intro - no head.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Because we were talking about Ryu dodging Kazuya's attack and you keep thinking that authors forgot to make waves there.

And you kept think his tk has something to do with his eye's since you kept complaining that ryu can't dodge faster than kazuya looks. so tell me since your tired of seeing me bring the looking/focus argument up,how isr yu's teleportation ineffective?

Originally posted by Sam Z
hysterical
So what genius? You want a foking medal coz they don't post that much? lol You just upset coz majority thinks differant, and that is a fact, and you say that shin remy posts? He only was coming up with something like "go DOA"
And please quote shin remy when he says "Ryu beats them all at the same time" coz i don't remember him saying that.

The point is a majority of the tekken voters do not as opposed to the doa voters I wonder why, and as for shin remy ask him yourself about ryu cause I could careless.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

I think it 5th time i hear "contradicted" word on this page. You only want me to do so but i didn't, Evey single thing i say i prove. I said Kazuya has that type of power i proved it, i said yoshi can teleport - i proved it, i said his speed would allow him to keep up with Ryu i proved it and etc. The only time i didn't proved myself was when I said about Paul and that had nothing to do with Ryu vs Kazuya anyway and at that time we were discussing Ryu vs Kazuya btw. So cut your crap.

Don't forget when you didn't explain why jin beats ryu, or how ryu can't dodge kazuya's tk, and how yoshi and raven beat his art of the icestorm

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Yes you didn't, you said he will teleport and than you started crap about authors forgotting waves in the ending and that's what you based yourself on, so whenever i ask you to prove he can, you change subject and ask me to prove that he can't and that is stupid because you support Ryu and it is you who must give reasons about him in this fight..

How is that stupid, the orginal reason you claimed he couldn't dodge it was because you insisted "Kazuya looks faster than haybusa can move" but when I ask you what tk has to do with loking you don't explain, so tell me agian why hayabusa can't dodge it?

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Are you stupid? Oh wait...
Anyway I never said you didn't give proofs about Ayane destroying it,
It's simple, you just brought t-rex thing, and since you was always crying for proofs I did the same as you do - I asked for proof of koing t-rex and you didn't give it to me. So why I'm liar? Because you can't read my posts?..

Okay read what you said, you told me I never gave you proof of how strong the doa cast is but now oyu admitt to me giving you proof about ayane, your scaring me.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Or like you about t-rex or about Ryu defeating all at the same time?
God, you are dumb. You've been using this A>B>C logic more often then me and now you are just changing the subject. Tell me again, what I didn't gave reasons about? About Paul defeating 1 on 1, what's next? Ogre? I told you about him long ago but you as usually missed it in my post. So please, list what else i didn't proved?

Your right I did give more a>b>c arguments than you, I admitt it but you still haven't proved

1. how jin beats ryu
2.how hworang beats a majority of the doa cast.
3. yoshi is as fast as ryu (yes, you didn't prove it the feats you give me aren't acceptable because ryu can move faster than that. he can run on water, leave after images, and vanish while moves)
4. how yoshi and raven can get past art of the ice storm.
5. why ryu can't dodge kazuya's tk
6. how kazuya dodges ryu speedblitz.
7.jins lasers range ( you said it's big)

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Do you know what "almost" means? During gameplay he has several basic teleportation moves so yes, he uses it pretty often, so asking for proofs of that or of his flight and of Raven's teleportation is not worse than of Ryu's. So what's your point anyway?

Several, give me a number and does he do it in post fight dialogue or in endings?

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Not aircraft because destroying 3 buldings >>> destroying aircrafts so i wanted to see Ryu destroying something, not others. Makes it up? And I'm not sure if you yet feel like playing your favourite game but what the hell, show me Ryu destroying tower coz it must be impressive, so i wanna see that.

I gave you a link to iberianwarrior showcasing all his moves. he destroys a radio tower at most. but tell me why do you wwant to see ryu's ki blast so much?

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Originally posted by Sam Z
[B]
So now it is a joke suddenly? You wasn't so sure about that before. 🙄 Whenever i tell you about flying around the battlefield and focusing on Ryu, you tell me it is not possible because Ryu dodged simillar attacks before but you never showed me any simillar attack, you only think you did like in that video because you really believe authors made a mistake and there was supposed to be something visible moving at Heihachi. So now again, prove that he can dodge attack simillar to Kazuya's. [ /B]

The only reason I offeed some kind of proof was because you kept telling me that kazuya's tk worked just by loking at the victim, Since then i asked you what tk has to do with sight you have yet to answer so now I'm confident he can dodge because it's not as fast as you originally claimed, so tell me again why ryu can't teleport from it?

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Originally posted by Sam Z
[B]
And that's as dumb as usually. If your big plan of Ryu winning is teleporting miles away to get of range of everyone except of Yoshi and Raven than cut this crap.[ /B]

If it's crap refute it

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Out of their range, miles perhaps now answer the question.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You didn't simply ask me to prove my words, you said you won't debate me on kazuya vs ryu until I admitt ryu cannot beat tekken I can quote you on these. and wtf are you talking about "This entire thread" you knew I wasn't really serious pus I asked you to prove that like 3 pages ago and you blow it out of perportions. again I gave you an argument multiple times yet you ignored it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Despite the fact I mentioned the word devil later on in the post you didn't know I was talking about him then you went on to talk about devil in response to that post, your a liar.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

No, the point of me bringin this focus/look argument constantly was because you insisted kazuya's tk was as fast as his sight. when I asked you what tk has to do with sight you never answered. you went on for several pages talking about how ryu can't dodge faster than he looks. but that's behind us because your just using that for cover to evade my point, how is kazuya gonna hit him if he can teleport and reappear while attacking simutaneously?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

It was my only argument so WTF is this:

lol You forget what were my posts about instantly after you read them. All these quotes of yours are about Ryu vs Kazuya, not about Ryu vs tekken, and only two lines about Yoshi and Raven so yes, that was your only point. Oh and there also was ki + teleportation that you yourself called bad and that was at first aimed at Ryu vs Kazuya and only then you tried to make it as an argument for vs all. So again - yes, that was only and horrible argument.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So then tell me how far the range is of jins blast and show proof.

Sam z I never specified the area, it could be the whole freakin planet for all you know, I never siad fight takes place in a ring or anything and if you say jin has a big range your gonna have to prove it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

What reasons beside tk have you mentioned, god your a liar first it's about the "Pant's" argument you accuse darkstorm zero of saying. now you said you gave reasons many times!? the only thing you've been saying is "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks" that's it sam z nothing more. god your a fanboy and an ass too.

Now you want my reasons? ok. Ryu would have to deal two characters of close speed to his, who can also teleport + Ogre who can teleport and blast from the distance with powerfull attack + Mishimas with great durability (what is shown above) and that have powerfull distance attack, tk attack, could fly, and (in case of Jin) who can destroy entire forest pretty fast with only inside energy without making physical efforts + Jinpachi with also distance attack + many powerhouses like Bryan, king or Murdok + many fighters that can hold against such as Jin 1 on 1 + many others who are just many times stronger than any ordinary human (and that is true even for such fighters like Xciao yu who is one of the physically wealest among them). Theses are my reasons for Ryu vs Tekken, I know that your reply would be like "doesn't mean a sh!t" or "not impressive" but i don't care, I know whatever you bring wont change simple facts.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never based my entire argument on the fact that their "were no waves becuase the author forgot to put them" carp you said, you kept on bitching about how ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks. I asked you what tk has to do with looking and you never answer, plus you never explained why teleportation wouldn't work. your full of it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam z, really your scaring me. you brung up spiderman saying he can beat 60-100 regular humans and proceded to say he can't defeat 60-100 wolverines or daredevils. now tell me how you mean't numbers don't matter in that argument and who defeated 60-100 opponents in tekken at once?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Know nothing despite the fact I own teken 5, played all the tekkens and know that "Devil within" is not canon something you can't prove.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I've been saying teleportation + ki blast for several pages, that was the reason.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Oh, so I was debating ryu vs kazuya only despite the fact I made an A>B>C argument for ryu vs tekken since the third or fourth page involving vigor and tengu which you pointed out, yet you contradict yourself right now. so yes you are on drugs.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

😆 and where exactly do I say someone gave you the link to the tekken 3 intro. and don't give some words and try to link it I want you to show a sentence with me saying "When <Insert name> gave you the tekken 3 intro, you ignored juns head" show me something along those lines, and the reason I keep quoting you is because you keep changing your argument after I answered.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

1. I watched the video there is a head, so far more than 2 people including myself told you that.

2. coming from a guy who couldn't see ryu teleporting on a link I gave, your one to talk.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And you kept think his tk has something to do with his eye's since you kept complaining that ryu can't dodge faster than kazuya looks. so tell me since your tired of seeing me bring the looking/focus argument up,how isr yu's teleportation ineffective?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The point is a majority of the tekken voters do not as opposed to the doa voters I wonder why, and as for shin remy ask him yourself about ryu cause I could careless.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

How is that stupid, the orginal reason you claimed he couldn't dodge it was because you insisted "Kazuya looks faster than haybusa can move" but when I ask you what tk has to do with loking you don't explain, so tell me agian why hayabusa can't dodge it?

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Okay read what you said, you told me I never gave you proof of how strong the doa cast is but now oyu admitt to me giving you proof about ayane, your scaring me.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your right I did give more a>b>c arguments than you, I admitt it but you still haven't proved

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

1. how jin beats ryu

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

2.how hworang beats a majority of the doa cast.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

3. yoshi is as fast as ryu (yes, you didn't prove it the feats you give me aren't acceptable because ryu can move faster than that. he can run on water, leave after images, and vanish while moves)

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

4. how yoshi and raven can get past art of the ice storm.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

5. why ryu can't dodge kazuya's tk

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

6. how kazuya dodges ryu speedblitz.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

7.jins lasers range ( you said it's big)

So it leaves us ONLY Paul vs everyone 1 on 1, coz all others are bull.
You on other hand didn't proved:
1) Ryu can beat all at the same time
2) Ryu can dodge Kazuya's attack
3) KOed T-rex
4) Attack destroying something more impressive than scyscrappers or forest.
5) That there is head in tekken 3 intro
And unlike your examples these are not bullcrap but a fact, you didn't proved any of the example above.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Several, give me a number and does he do it in post fight dialogue or in endings?

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I gave you a link to iberianwarrior showcasing all his moves. he destroys a radio tower at most. but tell me why do you wwant to see ryu's ki blast so much?

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

The only reason I offeed some kind of proof was because you kept telling me that kazuya's tk worked just by loking at the victim, Since then i asked you what tk has to do with sight you have yet to answer so now I'm confident he can dodge because it's not as fast as you originally claimed, so tell me again why ryu can't teleport from it?

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

If it's crap refute it

IMO once you guys started labelling each other as fanboys there was no need to argue any further because it became a personal battle. Discussions are fine until the term fanboy is thrown in.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IMO once you guys started labelling each other as fanboys there was no need to argue any further because it became a personal battle. Discussions are fine until the term fanboy is thrown in.

I don't want to sound childish, but he started it. I never call anyone "stupid" or "idiot" or "fanboy" unless the one i debate with starts making this personal.

Originally posted by Sam Z
No need for that. I wanted to hear that, you base his win on him teleporting far away so only Yoshi and Raven could follow him, and that doesn't work in vs forum. he has to fight all coz otherwise this fight can last for week and it wont be actually a fight.

Where in the rules does it say he can't teleport sam-z. and I never specified the boundaries of the fight. let's say it was 1 kilometer north,south, east and west. prove to me the distance atacks can hit that range.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I said untill you admitt or give normal reasons that you didn't. You wasn't really serious? Seems you wasn't serious for entire thread.

And hayabusa leading the teleporters away from some of the others is a new reason, I've been saying for a while now. you just refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol I'm a liar because you are stupid? You think that if you know what are you talking about it means everyone know what are you talking about?

The fact that you couldn't realize I was talking about devil, and proceeded to mention devil in the same post proves your a liar. and WTF are you talking about everyone. this is between me and you. hell no one's supported your argument at all. but what does that matter this is between me and you.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Even after i corrected myself you kept whining about my mistake because that was the only way for you to avoid my question i asked you few pages ago, I'll ask you again. How much time does it takes you to focus on something? Does it take you much longer than just to look at something?

Is this a serious question? Yes it takes longer to focus than to just look.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol You forget what were my posts about instantly after you read them. All these quotes of yours are about Ryu vs Kazuya, not about Ryu vs tekken, and only two lines about Yoshi and Raven so yes, that was your only point. Oh and there also was ki + teleportation that you yourself called bad and that was at first aimed at Ryu vs Kazuya and only then you tried to make it as an argument for vs all. So again - yes, that was only and horrible argument.

Of course those quotes are about ryu vs kazuya, you just told me previously that I didn't post anything but one argument during ryu vs kazuya debate here's what you said:

Originally posted by Sam Z

You didn't, and that bullcrap below was your only "argument".

So why are you bringing ryu vs tekken in that particular argument?

Originally posted by Sam Z

It is pretty far and you know that but not even close far to hit someone who is miles away and there is no need for that coz in this your only argument you assume that he'll teleport far away to avoid all fighters but Youshi and Raven and in other words he runs from the fight with others and this doesn't work in vs forum.

...Sam-z I told you I'm not a tekken expert, and now your saying I know how far th beam is. for all I know it can be a few feet. you insist it's far,hell you insist it can hit about a mile away so prove your words. and again nowhere in the rules does it say a person can't go further than a mile or teleport out of range.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol You are so pathetic that you prefere to discuss anything to avoid being embarrassed because you don't know the answer for the main question, you even prefere to discuss my dialogue with darkstorm, you are not just a fanboy, this is somewhere beyond that. tk was one of my arguments about Kazuya but now yoyu ask for reasons about Ryu vs all after running from this? Ok no problem you asked for it, I'll give you some videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJ9EkETybg&search=tekken%205%20intro heihachi surviving huge explosion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6H67bbCN90&search=tekken%205%20intro intro to show you few things. Jin destroying forrest, Asuka jumping from skyscrapper(unlike Ryu she can't fly and doesn't have rope),m Feng killing his master.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8AzzodWywc&search=tekken%20bryan Never won the tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WBDuQb_hA&search=tekken%20marduk never won the tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLwUEz03Wk&search=Yoshimitsu
Speed feat, never won the tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeXTfm5B7A&search=Jinpachi not canon coz i doubt he would win the tournament but still shows what he is capable of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_GiwlgfWY&search=jack%20tekken
Jack using shield to survive explosion.

Now you want my reasons? ok. Ryu would have to deal two characters of close speed to his, who can also teleport + Ogre who can teleport and blast from the distance with powerfull attack + Mishimas with great durability (what is shown above) and that have powerfull distance attack, tk attack, could fly, and (in case of Jin) who can destroy entire forest pretty fast with only inside energy without making physical efforts + Jinpachi with also distance attack + many powerhouses like Bryan, king or Murdok + many fighters that can hold against such as Jin 1 on 1 + many others who are just many times stronger than any ordinary human (and that is true even for such fighters like Xciao yu who is one of the physically wealest among them). Theses are my reasons for Ryu vs Tekken, I know that your reply would be like "doesn't mean a sh!t" or "not impressive" but i don't care, I know whatever you bring wont change simple facts.

What's the point if ryu teleports, the only people that can follow him are yoshi, raven and ogre. he can speed blitz ogre and yoshi at the same time from anywhere. and even if yoshi dodges it ogre would be most likely be caught. if yoshi and raven decide to jump in art of the icestorm on their asses which would suck in ogre to. hell if ogre somehow manages to get away and tries to blast ryu with his dragon breath. ryu high powered winds would blow the fire away while yoshi and raven freeze to death. than speed blitz again doesn't mater how high he flies. and cut the crap about jin using no effort. devil jin destroyed the forest and he had to scream real freakin loud and it took him a while. anyway with the telepoters gone ryu could just go in and out of battle teleporting. picking out the weak fighters like xiao yu or asuka and before teleporting away again. oh and as for jins beam go ahead with all those fighters he's bound to hit one of his own unless your saying they can all dodge it and even if they do he can use art of the icestorm on anyone close to him and if anyone tries to interfere speed blitz teleport away. know your using non canon feats okay ryu uses his original ninja gaiden ability and freezes time everybody dies.