DOA vs Tekken

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I ask you to prove that I'm breaking the rules, you haven't posted nothing saying I broke any rules. I said he teleports out of range from projectiles. since you can't prove the distance of anybody in tekkens projectiles, correction since you refuse than my argument stands.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I don't care if you don't like, Your arguments were even more stupid yet i refuted them. I expect the same. if your just gonna keep calling them stupid they're just gonna stand.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

... sam-z... read what you said , if we mention devil in every post about kazuya than why would I not be talking about him. especially if Im talking about his TK?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z when is there ever a set time when it comes to focusing on something????

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your lying, I gave you those points the same time I asked you how I was running away here:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And my [B] QUESTION which you ignore is prove to me that they have projectiles that can travel a few kilometers away.

😆 Of course your not gonna talk about them because everytime
someone does you just runaway like you did right now, I just gave you an argument and instead of giving me an argument you runaway how are yoshi and raven gonna get past art of the ice storm? hell if he puts art of the firewheel he can move while surrounded by flames how are yoshi and raven gonna touch him than. he can easily avoid jinpaichi or anyone else's attacks because he's the fastest one there and he has teleportation. he'll just spped blitz jinpaichi and ogre at the same time if anyone tries to interfere teleport away. your talking about someone who has enough stamina to fight for days oh and as for jinpaichi's paralyze crap that's BS because he just stuns you if he paralyzed you than you would be completely incapasated.. ryu can easily avoid that since he has teleportation and that attack is not fast at all.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So it takes minimal effort to scream as loud as you can, and when he was done he reverted back to regular jin who never remembers what happens when he turned to devil.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So your telling me that they will get a clear shot of ryu while he's being surrounded by ten people OKAY 🙄 like I said he'll just use Art of the icestorm to suck up his opponents and use them to sheild him from projectiles. if jinpaichi appears good luck being able to paralyze him with all those people in the way unless jinpaichi can home in on him.plus he can't get close.
Sam-z how is jin gonna hit him if he's in the middle of 10 fighters, without hitting his own men? and who are these many guy's that will hit ryu when he reappears because I told you ryu can reappear and attack at the sametime. plus he has art of the fire whhels which hurts them when they touch it and he can attck in toghether with that ninpo and move.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Oh you mean when he said he would destroy the world and doesn't show it , and how is goinna move if Non canon ryu freezes time?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I told you that point about him dodging similar attacks is moot, the reason being was I refuted your original argument about the tk so answer me how will his tk hit him now (Since I refuted your original reason)

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

IF it's weak why can't you give me a reason on why can lose, you just keep saying "He'll get hit by projectiles and get jumped by ten people in between teleports" and I told you ryu can attack and reappear at the sametime, hell I even told you if ten peole try to attack him then art of the ice storm which would suck them in and use them as sheilds if anyone uses a projectile. but if my argument is flawed answer this.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

- how is are people with distance attacks gonna get a clear shot of ryu if he's surrounded by opponents and he can use them as sheilds because they would get sucked in his whirlwind?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Please quote this time, and it doesn't matter if you think an argument is stupid refute it and stop whining.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Where did you post it, post it again becuase I don't remeber that.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Than quote me don't freaking type some words and put quotations on it.

-Sam-z your not a detective, it takes brains to be one, My Argument was based on the fact that I [B] REFUTED your bs argument about kazuya being able to look faster than ryu can move. so tell you new argument that's what I've been asking you to prove.[/B]

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So when I asked yopu to list feats that doesn't equate to you asking for reasons why jin would win?

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So I'm asking you NOW since you made a claim with out backing it up.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never did ask you to prove yoshi can run on water I did however ask you to show me yoshi being faster than ryu or anything close to what he can do.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I said teleporting out of range if the other fighters projectiles, you have yet to prove that it's many miles away.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne
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I said ryu goes out of range what is jins, kazuya,jinpaichi or everyon else's range?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

He can't dodge it based on what Sam-z what is your current argument as to why ryu can't dodge it?
And I've been asking you several times, why don't you think he can dodge it. what is your argument. you originally said ryu can't dodge it with your argument about kazuya can look faster than ryu can move I refuted that argument, so now tell me why he still can't dodge it?
And again sam-z I bring that previous argument up because you refuse to establish a new one, I know you made a mistake so what is your new argument to replace that one.
So I'll ask you again, what does teleportation have to do with eye's since I didn't refute it?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You've changed your argument again, and it still does not alter what I said...

It's because she was dead dumbass... The day jun fought Ogre it was stormy and they where in the damn forest, of course the hairs going to be dirty if the head it's on hit's the damn floor.... Oh and if you don't know what Camera perspective is, then thats your problem not mine when it comes to judging size differences...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Tell me, have you ever heard oif Cronological Order? or maybe common ****ing sense? This suipposed event takes place bitween tekken 4 and 5, but Jin had already UNLEARNED ALL OF THE MISHIMA RYU FIGHTING STYLE, Why is he now back to using one of the Mishima's trademark techniques? ANY martial artist who unlearns a style, especially for a personal reason like Jin's ould NEVER use it again Ever... Sorry, but your so called Proof on this matter is not cutting it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Unfortunately for your so called air tight theory, Karate never uses lunging uppercuts, And that particular technique is a Mishima Ryu Hallmark technique... Sorry, your air tight defence just spring a serious leak... Oh wait, it was already as sunk as the titanic...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I didn't miss it, but it's irrelevant, since it's the prologue for the tekken's main story game and not Devil Within, or hand't you figured that out yet 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Think very carefully now, Tekken is a FIGHTING GAME... The story you just mentioned directly correlates to the MAIN STORY, Not to Devil Within, not by a long shot. And yet your still here screaming up and down that it's cannon despite 3 direct continuity contradictions and no official evidence supporting your claim.

Originally posted by Sam Z

But to be honest his posts became much better now. Atleast much more reasonable then yours.

still that argument, you have soo many in this thread and in the Sf vs Tekken thread. everyone makes a mistake.

and first off all!!!!

i said that rayden wins. you always comes up in topics that i have said that ryu wins. NOOOOOO i said that RAYDEN WINS.
but ryu has a chance of beating him if the match isn't to the dead.

AND THAT IS MY OPINION SOO FOCK YOUR OPINION, I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU 😛 😛 😛

And Ryu has beated stronger opponents then those of Tekken. He accomplished much. His sword and speed will cut the most tekken fighters open. He shoot a big fireball where again a big part of the Tekken cast dies.

Then Heiachi, Devil Jin, Jinpachi, Ogre and kazuya will die too. The name ''GOD'' does not mean much for Ryu.

well that's what i wanted to say and again IS MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😛

Originally posted by Sam Z

You refuted my english mistake, way to go. How about proving what I've been asking you to prove for a long time now? You are trying to avoid it by asking a question in reply and this is low and useless.

Sam-z again I'll ask you what is your new argument, why can't ryu dodge kazuya's tk this time?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Niiiice. So now it means Ryu has worse ki manipulation than Ayane even though he has more experience and longer taining and even though he was fighting serious opponents when she was still a young girl? Then what was the point of bringing that destroying bulding feat and then saying that Ryu is STRONGER??

...right she has better ki manipulation dsespite the fact the only ninpo she's demonstrated are big pink blast. way to talk out of your ass. hayabusa has better ki manipulation based on the fact his ninpo are more versatile. and he doesn't have to wat as long to cast spells.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Same in Tekken 😬 So if you're done here lets return to the subject, shall we?

Based on what 4 teleportation moves as opposed to 9 😕

Originally posted by Sam Z

Yeah right, in all those games. And Ryu was just a second rate character lol even though he appeared in DOA 1,2,3,4 and had his own game. Yeah - not major role... 🙄

Since I've played those games yeah he was a seond rate character. he only had a major role in doa 2,4

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Originally posted by Sam Z

You can focus on something as much as you like but if you have just instantly to focus on some certain object it takes less than second. I can't prove your case but it usually is so.

No it's not, focusing varies in tme.

Originally posted by Sam Z

For now, everything points that you never played tekkens at all. And lets leave Shin, you said noone supports my point, so there is Looldude who agrees with with me, Satsujin who says that Raven alone can give Ryu a match and Blade Cutter who agrees about Kazuya, and I'm not even talking about other guys who've been posting through the thread. So if you are done being proud of how "everyone" supports your point, lets continue...

And where are those guy's now?

Originally posted by Sam Z

As for my arguments you haven't refuted anything but my english mistake 👆 all others you prefere to ignore just as my asks to prove something. You had for now only 2 "arguments" first ki + teleportation and you yourself called it bad and second this one and it [B]IS stupid because you again assume that Tekken characters would fight the way it is convinient to Ryu and to you and you also assume that running many miles away from attacks is just fine strategic move... [/B]

doh I said he would lead them, hell I just gave 2 more scenerio's involving art of the icestorm and art of the firewheels. tell me if ryu puts on the art of the firewheels (He can't be touched because he's surrounded by fire) and decides to attack jinpaichi and ogre with a speed blitz how are they gonna stop him. there;s no way kazuya can get a clear shot of him while he's in his speed blitz nor can jin. puls once your caught in his speed blitz there is no escape so tell me how their gonna beat him while he's doing that?

Originally posted by Sam Z

We do mention devil many times but it is usually when we talk about certain links or feats. But when you said "kazuya not kazuya" it may've been anything, you could've accidently put a wrong name or something like that. I didn't get it but who knows, may be it is just me so no offense.

No SAM-Z everytime we mention kazuya's tk it's about devil, because regular kazuya does not have a TK attack.

Originally posted by Sam Z

No set time, you speak of it as of just seating and focusing for hours. But it is not like this. I'll give you an example, you are standing near the road and there are many cars driving pass you, you just see them all but you don't focus on any of them, then you see some certain red car and you focus on it, this would take you less than second and clearly that was the time Kazuya needed to use his attack on Heihachi.

It would not take you a second or less, the object is moving and that example does not apply to all examples. for instance what if you were looking at a optical illusion picture where you have to focus for it to work, how long would it take you then?

Originally posted by Sam Z

And as i said before, that was your only "point" - running away to fight only few and this running away is something not for vs forum. The fact remains, I said that you avoid discussing Ryu vs Tekken and in respone you gave me your Ryu vs Kazuya points as a proof that you don't...

And I just gave you 2 other reasons, one involving art of the ice storm and another involving art of the firewheel.

Originally posted by Sam Z

No that means to avoid ALL fighters except teleporters he'll have to teleport enough far so that other guys except teleporters couldn't follow him, because if he teleports 200 feet away it would take Jin or Kazuya only seconds to fly to the scene, so yes - to avoid all but teleporters he'll have to teleport pretty far, in other words to run away and to expect that may be someone will follow him. 🙄 Wonder what would he do if Yoshi and Raven wont teleport after them but will stay where they are or just go on foot with other fighters. He'll teleport again and it will start from beginning? C'mone Blue Nocturne, I KNOW you yourself understand that it is a bad argument. In other words he is simply running away. Jinpachi attack isn't fast? I avoid questions? 🤨
His paralize from a distance and it takes him less than second and as for not moving fast - it takes him less than second to appear behind your back and he moves that fast that he leaves images and he also can fire like 5 blasts in one second. ALL this with pair with Ogre's attack and other distance attacks means I long ago explained you how Yoshi and Raven are gonna avoid Ryu's art of the ice storm so cut the crap about running away, It is you who still couldn't prove that Ryu can dodge Kazuya's attack. You only say he dodged simillar before, you say Jinpachi isn't fast, Asuka is weak and you base yourself on nothing.

It would seconds based on what, how would jin know where he is?
And how fast does jin fly because it's speed was never measured as far as I remember. And jinpaichi's attack doesn't take less than a second he has to stomp and stick his palm outfor it to work and it doesn't have that much range.And you never established another argument as to why kazuya can hit ryu, and you never gave a reason as to why they can escape art of the ice storm.

Originally posted by Sam Z

As loud as you can? It didn't seemed he was screaming that loud and even if he did that is not hell of a efforts and he NEVER remembers after turning back to Jin based on what? 😕

Based on the fact he never does, when does jin ever know for sure he's devil jin?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Jinpachi doesn't need to touch opponent to paralize him, and Jin will get a clear shot if he is flying above him especially since Jin can fire thin laserline as well as thik and ofcourse it would be even esier for Kazuya and not to Jin to hit him like he did to heihachi plus after being hit by many opponents with distance attack, distucted and hurt Ryu will open himself for opponents without distance attacks and for teleporters. This all doesn't leave Ryu a chance because any his move icluding teleportation can be countered.

😆 I never said he has to touch an opponent, But he does have to do his atack in a certain fashion (By stomping one foot and lsticking his palm out), flying above won't works there would be tekken fighters in the way plus huge ice shards, and how would it be easier for kazuya, when he hit heiachi it was one person not 10 plus ice shards. and let does many opponents hit him because you originally said ten people would attack ryu at once. so if he uses art of the icestorm they will be sucked in and be used as sheilds how are any of the projectile user's gonna get a clear shot?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Now you want to continue noncanon debates? I simply gave you links and even worned which are canon and told you just to watch what would happen if Jinpachi wins the tournament.😬

I've seen jinpaichi's ending, all it say's is "The world will never be the same again" that can mean anything it doesn't mean he destroyed the world and even if he reached his last form how would he move if non canon ryu froze time??

Originally posted by Sam Z
doh At first I showed you video with Kazuya using his attack on heihachi, you said Ryu will dodge it because he dodged "simillar" before. I countered this and proved that it is not simillar at all, so now since I countered it I want you to p[rove that he can dodge it. Stop changing subject this is really getting on my nurves. Just prove that he can.

I know what your original argument was. when you gave the video you said that "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look's". I've long since refuted it when I asked you what does tk have to do with your eye's, so it's moot and so are many of my original points like the video I showed you and said ryu can dodge similar attacks. so I ask you now what's your new argument to replace your old one?

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 I can't give you reasons? I've been givving you reasons for a long time, I explained how are they gonna kill him in details and explained why his art of the ice storm wont do him much good and you only could come up with he'll teleport far away or you base your win on that THEY MIGHT kill each other. Hell, I even explained that this is bs but you still can't except it and keep whining about his teleportation.

You said ten tekken fighters would jump ryu, and I said he could use his Art of the icestorm ninpo and suck them in, then he could use them as sheilds against the projectile users.

Originally posted by Sam Z

The answer is - easilly. First of all it depends on what distance attack are you talking about. Jinpachi can paralize him, Kazuya can hit him like he did heihachi and he wont hit anyone else except Ryu, then Ryu will be opened for other attacks and while recovering (only if he could) from those attacks it would be more than enough time for everyone to step aside and allow Jin to finish him with laser. As I said simple. Don't concentrate on THIS my example because there are many other ways.

OKAY SAM-Z Who the hell else was in the room when kazuya hit heiachi since you insist the attack will bypass all those people, the only person that was their was jin and heiachi was behind kazuya while jin was infront, kazuya then turned around and used his tk. He had a clear shot of heiachi and hit him, so how does that prove he can hit ryu despite being surrounded by 10 opponents? and you keep bringing up jinpaichi so I'll ask you again how is he gonna get a clear shot especially if ryu uses his Art of the icestorm to use his opponents as sheilds.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Sorry genius, but if you had brains you wouldn't ask me to quote something you posted few pages ago. You not only forget my posts like in case of Yoshi's teleportation but also your own. And now you again changing subject, you did said that SOMEONE gave me link like in case of tekken 3 intro with Jun's head 🙄 , if you are that clever that you can't understand your own words after I quote them - it is your problem.

As opposed to someone who said they never claimed hworang could beat a majority of doa fighters 1 on 1, you sure have a great memory 🙄 and you keep bring this tekken video up. why the hell does it matter because you CAN"T prove "Devil Within" is canon.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

No😬 When you ask to name Jin's feats it means you ask to name Jin's feats, plain and simple. And i did that already. So all your "examples" of what I haven't proved yet are bs because you didn't asked me.

Despite the fact it was a response to your post where you claimed jin could beat ryu...WOW.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Oh my bad 😂 So now you admitt you never asked me to prove that before? Not a problem, I'll do it with "your" old fasioned way - the A>B>C logic. Ryu Hayabusa won the DOA tournament so he is the strongest or atleast one of the strongest fighters there. For now one of my main points was proving that Kazuya can defeat Ryu and I don't care if you take my arguments - I already did it and at first I was talking only about h2h fight but when you started bringing up projectiles and teleportationes I statred using devil powers. So now ABC - Kazuya has a chance to defeat Ryu, Jin defeated Kazuya, Hwoarang had a tie with Jin and not once lost a fight in his life. Plain and simple and if now you are gonna whine about A>B>C logic it would be hillarious because you admitted you used it more often than me. But lets return to the main question. I asked you to bring stuff that I haven't proved, but the fact is that you never before asked me to prove that thing so this is another failed example of yours.

😆 Since you can't prove what you claimed you decided to try to avoid using A>B>C logic, just like you refused paul could defeat a majority of doa fighters and just how you refuse to debate kazuya ve ryu. I stoped using that logic a while a ago yet you bring it up again, just to runaway.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Please quote me when I said that Yoshi is faster than Ryu. Running on water isn't always a speed feat, have you seen Vamp? He could run on water but his speed is somewhere like Yoshi's.

And now your bringing vamp in this...Man your desperate, hayabusa ran on water because of pure speed he can't stand on it like vamp does he has to stay in motion. but that's irreleveent since he's not in this debate.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

I'm pretty tired of this but I'll repeat again, my argument long ago was focusing and I many times gave you scenario of how is Kazuya gonna hit him by FOCUSING and NOT looking. But when I gave you this explanation you was still whining about my mistake and missed it like many other my resons. So again, i did showed you how this attack works and explained how is Kazuya gonna hit Ryu with it, you said that Ryu can avoid it because he avoided "similar" attacks before and you gave that video as a "proof", I explained why this video doesn't proves anything and it means you never had any proofs. So I'll ask again. I support Kazuya and Tekken, you support Ryu, I tell you what attack Kazuya is gonna use and you now [B]prove that your character Ryu can avoid it. PROVE! And don't change the subject any more and don't pretend you already countered it because for now you haven't done anything but pointed me at my mistake and that is low. So bring it on. [/B]

Why do you keep bringing this, "Ryu can dodege similar attack" argument since I refuted your original BS argument about "Kazuya beiing able to look faster than ryu can move" therefore it's moot I tolded you that several times WTF, and I told you long before that focusing on a object in motion is very difficult especially if it moves so fast it can vanish.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Sam-z again I'll ask you what is your new argument, why can't ryu dodge kazuya's tk this time?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

...right she has better ki manipulation dsespite the fact the only ninpo she's demonstrated are big pink blast. way to talk out of your ass. hayabusa has better ki manipulation based on the fact his ninpo are more versatile. and he doesn't have to wat as long to cast spells.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
...I never said he can do anything more impressive than that...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Based on what 4 teleportation moves as opposed to 9 😕

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Since I've played those games yeah he was a seond rate character. he only had a major role in doa 2,4

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And where are those guy's now?

Look at previous pages. If you call them all "noone" i can't do anything to help you. And what about "your" guys? Superboy Prime says that DOA stands a chance only because of Ryu, Shin argues about SF more, Dark Storm about DW. There are may be one or two guys for entire thread who think as you but unlike you they atleast trying to prove what they say.

Originally posted by Sam Z
😂 This is Arcade video. We see Kazuya standing and smiling while he was supposed to lie uncouncious or dead. It was dark so her "hair" were bent to the left. And Ogre's head was even closer to the camera than that black thig. Logic?

If you can't tell the difference bitween flashbacks, thats your problem, it's already been oficially stated that Jun had been killed by Ogre, and you have absolutely no official proof otherwise, whereas I have both that video, and Jin's Tekken 3 profile. Oh and no, jun's head was closer to the Camera's point of view... Use your damn eyes for once instead of your imagination.

Originally posted by Sam Z
😂 uppercought is trademark technique? Seems it is you who haven't ever heard of common sense. Since when Roger Jr. fights in mishima fighting style? And he didn't UNLEARNED anything, he simply on purpose fights in differant style and tekken 4 prologue says so, it doesn't meah he forgot other moves and since when using one move that is typical almost for all world fighting styles means fighting in mishima style?

Standard uppercuts? no of course not, Lunging uppercuts that are akin to the Shoryuken from Street Fighter? Hell yes... Again, yopu've let your imagination run wayward again so you can hear and see only what you want to. Jin, as of after Tekken 3 completely unlearned the Mishima Ryu, this was stated in his Tekken 4 opening dialogue, Now according to your theory, he relearned the Lightning Godfist uppercut bitween Tekkens 4 and 5, yet it magically dissapears when Tekken 5 comes about, and didn't use it during Tekken 4... Coincidence? I think not...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, like in case of wrong pants 🙄

I never said anything about Jin's pants... You have a strange and disturbing facination with Jin's pants dude, you should get that seen to....

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, it is the first time someone calls fighting in the tournament a "journey" 🙄

Not so, it's stated all the time in Fighting games, and in case you havn't taken notice, the Tekken tournaments arnt exactly 'Tournaments' per se... they don't take place all in one arena or place. Battles happen around the world and the tournament fighters must travel to each location, so technically speaking they are undertaking journeys.

Originally posted by Sam Z
3? Let's count. First I assume was fighting style and this is just hillarious because during devil within he clearly fights in art of traditianal karate. Go ahead, argue that 🙄
Second must be wrong pants, from tekken 3. Well he wears same clothes as devil jin during story mode.
And third? In prologue they say Jin set out on a journey to end this evil (devil gene). Even story mode mentions DW. I don't know why is it so personal to you to prove that it is not canon, but at least when you are trying to do it put some sense in your arguments.

Point 1: Already did successfully, and which you have not successfully refuted with counterproof of any kind at all... 🙄

Point 2: Again with that facination with jins pants... 😘

Point 3: Because it does not mention the events of DW as ever actually happening, and lets remember that it directly contradics ith Jins story mode, Jun;s Death and Ogres defeat are two very important factors here, both of which you still havn't proven to be anything else but what they are... Which is both Ogre and Jun are dead, Jin's DW game is just filler, and more importantly, it cannot be used as in game evidence in a VS debate unless you are ONLY using that version of Jin as a measuring stick and nothing else from the main game is admissable.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
doh I said he would lead them, hell I just gave 2 more scenerio's involving art of the icestorm and art of the firewheels. tell me if ryu puts on the art of the firewheels (He can't be touched because he's surrounded by fire) and decides to attack jinpaichi and ogre with a speed blitz how are they gonna stop him. there;s no way kazuya can get a clear shot of him while he's in his speed blitz nor can jin. puls once your caught in his speed blitz there is no escape so tell me how their gonna beat him while he's doing that?

Yeah "lead" by teleporting away and waiting if Yoshi or Raven follow him, and that is already wrong move because it wont be a fight this way and it is a vs forum. More two scenarios??!!! You only listed two more his abilities and you still based yourself on his teleporting far away move. Firewheels don't make him invincible, neither icestorm, it only would stop Yoshi and Raven from getting close. Still wont stop Jinpachi from paralizing him from the distance, then Ogre could blast him and Jinpachi steal his life force. Raven can flicker and this way he can gow through humans bodies and attacks, same he could do to avoid Ryu. So as I said there are many ways to defeat Ryu even if he "teleports far away" and "lead" some of them where he wants. BTW i'll say again, this wont work unless Tekken characters fight the way Ryu wants them to fight and it ain't gonna happen anyway.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

No SAM-Z everytime we mention kazuya's tk it's about devil, because regular kazuya does not have a TK attack.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

It would not take you a second or less, the object is moving and that example does not apply to all examples. for instance what if you were looking at a optical illusion picture where you have to focus for it to work, how long would it take you then?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And I just gave you 2 other reasons, one involving art of the ice storm and another involving art of the firewheel.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

It would seconds based on what, how would jin know where he is?
And how fast does jin fly because it's speed was never measured as far as I remember. And jinpaichi's attack doesn't take less than a second he has to stomp and stick his palm outfor it to work and it doesn't have that much range.And you never established another argument as to why kazuya can hit ryu, and you never gave a reason as to why they can escape art of the ice storm.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Based on the fact he never does, when does jin ever know for sure he's devil jin?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

😆 I never said he has to touch an opponent, But he does have to do his atack in a certain fashion (By stomping one foot and lsticking his palm out), flying above won't works there would be tekken fighters in the way plus huge ice shards, and how would it be easier for kazuya, when he hit heiachi it was one person not 10 plus ice shards. and let does many opponents hit him because you originally said ten people would attack ryu at once. so if he uses art of the icestorm they will be sucked in and be used as sheilds how are any of the projectile user's gonna get a clear shot?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I've seen jinpaichi's ending, all it say's is "The world will never be the same again" that can mean anything it doesn't mean he destroyed the world and even if he reached his last form how would he move if non canon ryu froze time??

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I know what your original argument was. when you gave the video you said that "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look's". I've long since refuted it when I asked you what does tk have to do with your eye's, so it's moot and so are many of my original points like the video I showed you and said ryu can dodge similar attacks. so I ask you now what's your new argument to replace your old one?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You said ten tekken fighters would jump ryu, and I said he could use his Art of the icestorm ninpo and suck them in, then he could use them as sheilds against the projectile users.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

OKAY SAM-Z Who the hell else was in the room when kazuya hit heiachi since you insist the attack will bypass all those people, the only person that was their was jin and heiachi was behind kazuya while jin was infront, kazuya then turned around and used his tk. He had a clear shot of heiachi and hit him, so how does that prove he can hit ryu despite being surrounded by 10 opponents?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and you keep bringing up jinpaichi so I'll ask you again how is he gonna get a clear shot especially if ryu uses his Art of the icestorm to use his opponents as sheilds.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
As opposed to someone who said they never claimed hworang could beat a majority of doa fighters 1 on 1, you sure have a great memory 🙄 and you keep bring this tekken video up. why the hell does it matter because you CAN"T prove "Devil Within" is canon.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Despite the fact it was a response to your post where you claimed jin could beat ryu...WOW.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

😆 Since you can't prove what you claimed you decided to try to avoid using A>B>C logic, just like you refused paul could defeat a majority of doa fighters and just how you refuse to debate kazuya ve ryu. I stoped using that logic a while a ago yet you bring it up again, just to runaway.

And now your bringing vamp in this...Man your desperate, hayabusa ran on water because of pure speed he can't stand on it like vamp does he has to stay in motion. but that's irreleveent since he's not in this debate.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If you can't tell the difference bitween flashbacks, thats your problem, it's already been oficially stated that Jun had been killed by Ogre, and you have absolutely no official proof otherwise, whereas I have both that video, and Jin's Tekken 3 profile. Oh and no, jun's head was closer to the Camera's point of view... Use your damn eyes for once instead of your imagination.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Standard uppercuts? no of course not, Lunging uppercuts that are akin to the Shoryuken from Street Fighter? Hell yes... Again, yopu've let your imagination run wayward again so you can hear and see only what you want to. Jin, as of after Tekken 3 completely unlearned the Mishima Ryu, this was stated in his Tekken 4 opening dialogue, Now according to your theory, he relearned the Lightning Godfist uppercut bitween Tekkens 4 and 5, yet it magically dissapears when Tekken 5 comes about, and didn't use it during Tekken 4... Coincidence? I think not...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I never said anything about Jin's pants... You have a strange and disturbing facination with Jin's pants dude, you should get that seen to....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
why in DW does Jin wear his Tekken 3 costume? Thats just further added proof.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Not so, it's stated all the time in Fighting games, and in case you havn't taken notice, the Tekken tournaments arnt exactly 'Tournaments' per se... they don't take place all in one arena or place. Battles happen around the world and the tournament fighters must travel to each location, so technically speaking they are undertaking journeys.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Point 1: Already did successfully, and which you have not successfully refuted with counterproof of any kind at all... 🙄

Point 2: Again with that facination with jins pants... 😘

Point 3: Because it does not mention the events of DW as ever actually happening, and lets remember that it directly contradics ith Jins story mode, Jun;s Death and Ogres defeat are two very important factors here, both of which you still havn't proven to be anything else but what they are... Which is both Ogre and Jun are dead, Jin's DW game is just filler, and more importantly, it cannot be used as in game evidence in a VS debate unless you are ONLY using that version of Jin as a measuring stick and nothing else from the main game is admissable.

Point 1: Both Jin and Roger Jr. fight in Mishima fighting style because they have simillar uppercought. 🙄

Bullcrap because Jin fights in traditianal karate and the more you'll gonna argue that the more you are getting embarrassed/

Point 2: You started this "facianation" and then forgot about it, and that is your problem. I'm not even talking that this is hillarious "proof".

Jin has same clothes as in story mode

Point 3: No proofs of Ogre's death - he just dissapeared after being defeated by Jin. No proof of Jun's dead - except for the black big thing in ARCADE MODE video and that is pffffft.

So what points I have. 1) Right fighting style. 2) Right clothes 3) Story mode that confirms that Jin went to a Journey. 4) Same reasons as in stroy mode, he tries to get rid of gevil gene because he hates it as said in his tekken 4 prologue. So if you are done whining...

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Originally posted by shin_remy
still that argument, you have soo many in this thread and in the Sf vs Tekken thread. everyone makes a mistake.

and first off all!!!!

i said that rayden wins. you always comes up in topics that i have said that ryu wins. NOOOOOO i said that RAYDEN WINS.
but ryu has a chance of beating him if the match isn't to the dead.

AND THAT IS MY OPINION SOO FOCK YOUR OPINION, I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU 😛 😛 😛

And Ryu has beated stronger opponents then those of Tekken. He accomplished much. His sword and speed will cut the most tekken fighters open. He shoot a big fireball where again a big part of the Tekken cast dies.

Then Heiachi, Devil Jin, Jinpachi, Ogre and kazuya will die too. The name ''GOD'' does not mean much for Ryu.

well that's what i wanted to say and again IS MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😛

Shin, I dunno why are you so nervous. All I actually said was that your posts got better. And that they are better than post of Blue Nocturne.

Ryu doesn't have swoard in this fight and I stll didn't get any proofs that his big fireball is that taugh. Jin destroyed entire forest without trying much so I don't see a single reason why Ryu can defeat all tekken characters at the same time.

Name "GOD" doesn't matter here at all because Ryu never fough "real" God despite of all your tries to prove that he did because if he did fought "real" God he would've been crushed like a bug because for "real" he is just another jumping freak. So it is not a proof that he can beat Ogre or Jinpachi or even Jin or Kazuya because Vigoor is not more "real" than Ogre.

"Fock" my opinion ok but I put sense in it and bring proofs and reasons, still I wont try to change your opinion. So forget it.

Kazuya with ease killed dozens armed and trained by Heihachi soldiers with bare hands when they attacked G corporation and he wasn't even expecting attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxtMuc9QROA&search=tekken%20%204%20intro

Originally posted by Sam Z
You are hopless Blue Nocturne, you keep running from the question and ask another in respone even though it is you who is supposed to answer. So since you can't, it means you can't prove that Ryu can avoid being hit so I assume you have no argument about this Kazuya's attack. It only makes it easier for me.

How can I answer if you don't provide an argument? So again I'll ask you what is your argument to replace: "Kazuya can look faster than ryu moves" claim.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Uh-huh, first you say
So he can't but still has better ki manipulation, you controdict yourself, his nippo may be more versatle but if his attack are not that strong (according to you) then he doesn't have better manipilation BUT if his attacks are stronger then show me proofs of that.

Better ki manipulation means he can utilize ki more effective than ayane. ayane just blew up a building after straining. hayabusa can manipulate the atmosphere around him, produce fire, amp up his bio electricity, and levitate objects and use them to fly. yes his ninpo is more poweful because he can do more with it than ayane.

Originally posted by Sam Z

So now it 2 as well? 😂 At first you said only 4.
And don't forget this "second rate character" has his own game.

And your point, I just corrected myself so why does it matter?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Look at previous pages. If you call them all "noone" i can't do anything to help you. And what about "your" guys? Superboy Prime says that DOA stands a chance only because of Ryu, Shin argues about SF more, Dark Storm about DW. There are may be one or two guys for entire thread who think as you but unlike you they atleast trying to prove what they say.

You forgot 2nd zen,metal max, oh and why do you think superboy prime says ryu will tip the scale. And WTF does shin remy arguing sf more have to do with this argument, he agree's with me. but in the end numbers don't matter it's a strong argument which you don't have.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah "lead" by teleporting away and waiting if Yoshi or Raven follow him, and that is already wrong move because it wont be a fight this way and it is a vs forum. More two scenarios??!!! You only listed two more his abilities and you still based yourself on his teleporting far away move. Firewheels don't make him invincible, neither icestorm, it only would stop Yoshi and Raven from getting close. Still wont stop Jinpachi from paralizing him from the distance

And again jinpaichi's stun move is not a long distance attack, you can claim it all you want it's not. I never said Icestrom or firewheels make him invincible, I said no fight can physically touch him and in a game like tekken were people barely have projectiles that's a problem

Originally posted by Sam Z

then Ogre could blast him and Jinpachi steal his life force. Raven can flicker and this way he can gow through humans bodies and attacks, same he could do to avoid Ryu. So as I said there are many ways to defeat Ryu even if he "teleports far away" and "lead" some of them where he wants. BTW i'll say again, this wont work unless Tekken characters fight the way Ryu wants them to fight and it ain't gonna happen anyway.

Hayabusa has a faster recovery than anyone in tekken if his gaurd is broken he can just roll to evade anyone who's played ninja gaiden would know that. and since when can raven flicker through people?

Originally posted by Sam Z
can argue that there is no really "regular" Kazuya now, even while in human form he is still - devil and when he attacked heihachi he was still devil even in his human form (without wings or horns).

So your arguing that there is no regular kazuya and it was devil despite the fact I was trying to tell you that 😆

Originally posted by Sam Z

To hit Heihachi it took him less then second and he didn't used any efforts to do that so arguing that focusing can last for hours makes no sense coz this is clearly not our case.

<Sigh>, I said generally there exsist no set time to focus, you can argue instant all you want if you don't know the speed you can't prove hayabusa can't dodge it, You don't even have a new argument as to why hayabusa can't dodge it. "the tk hit heiachi" is all you have, big deal heiachi's speed is definetly not comparable to ryu. so your only example is heiachi (Who has never demonstrated speed anywhere near hayabusa's) was hit by a tk and was knocked out and somehow ryu can't dodge it 😆 maybe if it hit raven or yoshi I would be worried but heiachi..OK sam-z

Originally posted by Sam Z

Two more attacks to counter dozens. Still too many ways to kill him.

It was actually 2 more scenario's, where did you get attacks from?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Unless Jin flies slower than birds then yes it would take him seconds to fly 200 feet. Man, ordinary humans can run 200 feet for 25 seconds. Jinpachi attack does take less than second and works on the distance. During gameplay he stomps on the ground and no matter where are you you get paralized, this combined with distance attackS and combined with his speed (that you called slow for some unknown reason) makes it not possible for Ryu to hit him, and it automatically explaines what they can do about ice storm.

He's faster than a bird and can fly 200 feet in seconds based on what?

And jinpachi's stun move can't hit you everywhere only from a certain distance and on the ground,hell if your flying with devil jin for example he can't hit you. Oh and I forgot to mention ryu can fly. and jinpachi's speed isn't a threat really compared to a guy who defeated 2 exact copies of himself and 2 ancient greater feinds with that have speed comparable with him at once.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And as for Kazuya's attack, it was you who had to prove that Ryu can dodge it but you never did or even ever wanted to, so for now nothing points that it wont work.

I gave you 2 arguments a several pages ago that had to do with teleportation and a object in motion.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And this is just another attack among dozens to finish Ryu and I'm not even talking about situation if Ryu would have to fight all at the same time and not few.

This is an attack that kazuya used only against heiachi and K.O.ed him that tells us so much. It was SOOO fast soemone like heiachi (whose sped isn't comparable to ryu and barely anybody in tekken for that matter) Could not dodge it 😆

Originally posted by Sam Z

As far as I know noone ever told him that he is devil but he knows it for some reason and he knows he is Jin, In tekken 5 he says he finally took full controle over devil. So yes he remembers but as devil he is just a little to furious.

A little furious? does jin normally destroy forest for fun?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Originally not at once but use attacks that are more convinient in some certain moments. Easier for Kazuya because we agreed he has to focus on opponnent to hit him and it doesn't takes him any efforts, so it explains your question about how is he gonna hit only Ryu and not his own team mates.

How does that explain how he's gonna get a clear shot of ryu when his teammates are caught in aartic vortex with huge shards and foggy winds?

Originally posted by Sam Z

If he focuses on Ryu it won't hit anyone else. And if we are talking about laser attack or fire breath they are simply gonna use it when it is more handy. Like when there are noone else on their way or Ryu distracted or hit, so it prevents other fighters to get "sucked in" And Jinpachis certain fashion last for less then second and works from the distance, so it is still handy.

Again sam-z how would kazuya's tk avoid hitting everyone else if they are all caught in ryu's ninpo?

Originally posted by Sam Z

So when he says "my goal to destroy all exictance" and then in the video we see that transformation and sign "world would never be the same" it means he is going to use nukes or something? His goal and his ways are clear. But again, it all doesn't matter because I'm not gonna use non canon feats to back me up, I simply showed you what would happen if he wins the tournament. So pass. But I'm just curious, where did that time freezing thing came from? I don't remember anything like that?

...Sam-z he simply says he will destroy the world and it says the world won't be the same how does that validate he destroyed the world?

And the time freezing is from the previously retconned ninja gaiden series.